Somehow I’ve never seen that, but that’s fucking hilarious lol.
What kills me, is I can go downtown in Wilmington NC, and find 20 guys exactly like that, I mean… the same fucking guy, 13 years later.
Not only did people at any point think this was attractive, it actually WAS considered attractive, and has held on for 13 years across like 7 states. It’s completely insane.
Not now, chief - I’m in the fuckin zone.
I’m jealous. My hair is so thick and my beard is so coarse, if I don’t comb and groom it every day, it actually gets painful. And shaving is such a pain in the ass, so I’m willing to quickly rub some beard balm in and run a comb through it.
A bunch of stuff from that vid became a thing with my buddies when we were lifting and goofing off. I’d be on the GHR doing the pointing yelling “Jaegerbahms!” at the top of each rep.
Good times. 
Although some of these guys were big and strong, their focus was socializing and getting women. Winter time in Manhattan and Hamptons and Jersey Shore in the summer.
They were not into “pressing with hate” a la Jim Wendler. Think of a Phil Heath workout rather than a Dorian Yates one. Think of machines, cables, leg presses, and the occasional dumbbell exercise. Lol.
I could cope with grey no worries, it’s the fact that my hair keeps trying to run away from my face that bothers me. My dad and paternal grandad both lost theirs in their early 20s so when I hit 30 with no sign, I thought I was clear.
I’m feeling great. Always a decent night out in Sheffield win or lose. Thanks for checking up on me hun x
Great list.
And yet here again, you’re the only one I’ve seen sling age as an insult on these boards. To me, but even to @SkyzykS, who’s not that much older than you. The other “10 of us” don’t focus on that at all. Because I’ve been here since before my divorce, I got to emerge into the dating world with the MRA’s and PUA’s of TN echoing in my ears about men and women and the dating world. I was well aware that my SMV was wrecked, and that the men in my age group had the financial power to purchase much younger women, and would of course do so. What would be left for me would be the dregs. Man-children who couldn’t support themselves and so would be willing to have/use me to either support them or to raise their 6yo children.
What happened was nothing like what I expected. My SMV was, if anything, higher than it was when I was 22, I guess because advantages I carry now were either common then (in shape or appearing to be so, fun) or unimportant (money management skills and the savings that accrue from those skills, smart).
I do, however, realize that my experience is not common for women who are overweight or (and this is important) who have not achieved independence. Smart men who are well employed and without debt seem to look for same. Not-that-bright men who HAVE debt also seem to look for same, but that’s neither here nor there except they balance the women you keep touting who want what they have not themselves earned.
Again, not denying that it’s hard out there for middle aged divorced women, but certain qualities absolutely stack the deck. I believe they’re the same qualities described in here over and over again by men of all ages who endorse good and satisfying relationships with their women of all ages. Women who are chill and who prioritize happiness over scoring points in a fight, women who are intrinsically interested in health and fitness, women who laugh easily, women who are adventurous and enjoy challenges. None of this is about being “a working woman,” I think SAHM’s can display these qualities, too. Or, on the other hand, they can half-ass child rearing and housekeeping, eat crap food and watch a lot of TV, and will probably be wrecked by 35. Working women can hit the gym on the way to work or go for a run afterwards, pack healthy lunches and spend their days happily engaged in whatever they do along with positive coworker interaction and remain not-wrecked. Or, they can go miserably to a job they hate, eat fast food for lunch, and bitch all night about how unhappy they are, and become wrecked.
You understand that when you say “actively try to bring men down to their level” you indicate that you’re insulting women, who are then reacting with same? Because WHAT LEVEL? Aging, as is our biological imperative?
I think this still goes on with some men, and a hard rule I have and have always had is that I need a man who spends less time faffing than I do. I really like clothes and I do wear light makeup, but it takes me ~30 minutes to get showered and dressed, so I need my men to manage it in 15. Which is of course sexist of me, but there you go.
I’m likely saying this for conversation’s sake, and perhaps to get off the derailment of the thread and go back to marriages and relationships and gender dynamics. Last night my in-laws were over and at the dinner table and I was holding my five-month-old daughter. I had a bit more to drink than usual. We were speaking of family members and friends aiming for engagement or marriage. I forget what lead up to me saying jokingly about my daughter, “I’ll educate her on finding a rich guy. She can be a gold digger.” Granted I didn’t mean that literally. My mother-in-law replied, “Nah, you want her to be something, to get an education in something,” to which, deep down, I agree, but replied, “gimme a break”. It’s just that when I hear of “the independent woman” a kind of fatigued feeling comes over me. It’s all very tiring to me, this emphasis on income, independence, striving, girlfriends, obsessive travel, etc. I can pinpoint where it seems from though. After an incel period of life (I guess this makes me a “fakecel”, lol) when I met a considerable amount of women in the late 2000’s, common talk amongst the Manhattan residents was of “crazy weeks,” “work has been crazy”, “men are intimidated by me (smarts and income implied”, etc.) Sometimes I’d respond, “Why are men intimidated by you being employed?”
(There’s not much of a thesis with this post.)
I’m sad that you deleted, because I read it without time to respond before leaving, and your question about whether the 15 minute shower thing is negotiable made me laugh and realize that I actually have no idea - I’ve never been close to a guy who took longer! So I guess I associate “shorter process than me” with manly.
Also, I’m pretty low maintenance, so I probably seek same.
I totally get that. I get the same feeling over a lot of political issues. It’s not even that I disagree, but STFU with your all-consuming [whatever]. I’ve known people who were big on announcing how much they’ve been working or how madly. WE ALL WORK, it isn’t a badge of honor to be tired and it’s a tedious conversation topic! I see the same with young moms and their toddlers. But I think it’s a people thing, not a women thing.
It was just a bit of a laboured metaphor.
I’m tired of the ‘strong woman’ narrative and it’s everywhere now. TV, movies, social media, fucking everywhere.
The second I hear someone say “work as has been crazy” or “no I didn’t watch that, I work a lot” “I can’t go I work for a living ya know”
I check out. It’s like these women think they’re the only ones in the world in the history of mankind to have a job. I think I’ve told this doozy before but I had a woman manager one time long ago say something to her coworker a long the lines of “check his financials before going on a date with him”, and this was during the financial crises.
@EmilyQ I want to know where you’re from where you see so many well calibrated honest and humble women, because the places I’ve been to it’s increasingly becoming difficult to find that around. Maybe I need to head inward to middle America or something.
Boston, when I was living in that area had great numbers of them. Plenty of shitty folks too, but it was easy enough to find good ones in the crowds.
Re: latchkey kids
I am a late Gen X’er, of the first latchkey kids.
Fatherless homes, no adult even in the home after school or even for nearly the entire day in some cases, urban jungles with loads of trouble to get into.
What could go wrong?
Anyone ever see the movie Kids? There’s a reason that pro actors weren’t needed for some of the roles in the film. They were acting like themselves. 
Consider yourself lucky. At least you don’t have to deal with the “no house, no car, no date” mentality going around China these days 
I wrote a whole long response, but at the end of the day I just can’t relate to this thread. I’ve been married for over a decade, my wife is smoking hot, she has a higher stress job than me and makes more money; yet, she cooks, cleans, parents, etc… She spent an hour last night cooking dinner (delicious chicken recipe) after cleaning the kitchen and I didn’t even have to do any plumbing work… Midway through the atrocious Raven’s game she said, well this game’s over wanna have sex?
This thread blows my mind.
Wouldn’t it make sense that women should want to protect themselves financially, the same way men do?
Granted, the pool I hang out in is a bit tainted (mainly AA meetings and people in recovery) But you wouldn’t believe some of the really sad stories I’ve heard from women that have been ripped off by cons. I’m talking 10’s and 100’s of thousands of dollars.
Just as high earning guys need to be careful, so do women. There are some real fucks out there that literally prey on the insecurities that many women have, and have no problem leaving them shattered.
so, what you selling? some type of magic herb or something? or maybe life coaching lessons? come on man
but in fairness I have found some women like this, they’re rare and tend to be older. My ex wife was pretty great, she was older than me by 2 years. Problem is, she was older. lol
oh I’ve helped people in those situations believe me I know there’s scumbags out there. it’s so sad. I have a heart ya know, I know people get fucked. But even still I think older men fair worse than older women.
I don’t like focusing on the extreme ends of the spectrum though. I said it here a long time ago but let me say it again - I’m mainly talking about my generation and younger. What is currently happening, not about women in their 50s and 60s there are lonely or got abused by their husbands.
That’s absolutely heart ripping, and I feel for them but I’m not speaking about them necessarily. I’m trying to focus on culture, and society as a whole, and the messages being presented to impressionable men and women coming into their own (or that have been fed this bullshit from an early age and is now in their 30s)
Brick gets what I’m talking about, it’s not that hard.
Don’t try feeling too slick man. It’s painfully obvious to anybody that has read any of your posts that that one was entirely full of shit.
I mean, really? You don’t focus on extremes, etc.?