Hang Clean/Snatch

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]cormac wrote:
Dr.PowerClean wrote:
Maybe I came from a different planet but in 10,000 power cleans I never once felt a pain in my hamstrings.
Now if its bent arms, I’m guilty of that about 9,999 times. (I think I coughed during one pc and caught it low with straight arms.) Doc

It’s not that you’re from another planet, your form just blows something awful. The only thing that is running through my mind as I approach the bar is “tension in the ass and hamstrings, stay over the bar, let the arms hang.”

Visualizing yourself constantly on the platform as a person with no upper body at all - just a set of big hamstrings, glutes, and quads - actually rewires a sense of self and will make you a better weightlifter. Try it.[/quote]

[quote]
Romanaz wrote:
Thats how you should be doing it[/quote]

You guys ought to be a little more humble about how you respond to what people say on Olympic lifting. Telling someone their form is something awful is just stupid… especially saying this to a guy who is many years your senior in the sport. Sure, Doc PC has some things to fix, but he does a lot of things right too. I mean, he powercleans near what some of you all total. You have no right to make a comment like that, especially with your numbers. Your goals as a 77 in 9 months are not even brushing being competitive. How good can your form really be?

Second off, for a guy who has only entered the sport recently and isn’t cleaning bodyweight, Romanaz, you have a lot of expert advice that you are dispensing to the masses.

At the end of the day, a lot of you guys are getting pretty know-it-all-ish on a sport that you have just recently started and/or aren’t very good at. To post as if you are an authority when you are not is irresponsible, and I’d like to see you all stop doing it. Calm your tones down a little bit. Act with more humility.

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Another Doctor! Ha ha, the last thing we need here is more sporting advice malpractice.

You seem awfully miffed about a little comment made to Dr. PC. I was not aware he’s medaled at competition several times? Please divulge his weightlifting accomplishments since you seem to closely associated with him, Doc.

You are absolutely right that I am new to this sport as an athlete. You certainly shouldn’t jump to any conclusions about my experience, however. Is it not readily apparent that I am knowledgeable enough to discuss the topic at hand, really? The idea of hamstring tension is fundamental. I mean, you don’t think that loading the hamstrings is a paradoxical biomechanical aspect of the sport, do you?

Listen, if you are going to come here and wag your finger at a few of us, then why be such a bore to us all? Entertain us, enlighten us, with why you feel that you are of any importance here whatsoever with 15 posts and zero stats. Queer.

P.S., Dr. PowerClean is a very strong guy, especially for his age. I have a great deal of respect for him and I hope that he knows this. It seems his form has become a bit rusty, as it was my understanding that he was a lifter in high school/college years back. I don’t want to denigrate anything he has to offer, but I thought it was important for the matter at hand to stress the potentiating effect of hamstring tension in the lifts.

But Dr. Manhattan, who are you?

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[quote]romanaz wrote:
the 95 worlds tape is great. I love watching suleymanglu, his technique is something to aspire to.

His first pull is just plain amazing.

When I set up for my lifts, I get down into position, set up grip, push my ass back, knees out, and stay over the bar. I don’t think about it, my arms are relaxed, and I just pull with my legs and then BAM let the tension out and throw the bar.

My first pull, I can feel my hamstrings winding up, and then BAM let it go.

Thats how you should be doing it[/quote]

Yeah, I tried that today with power snatches, but I kinda felt weaker doing it. Maybe it’s because my hammies are still sore or I just need to get used to it.

I was doing some thinking though. Could it be just because I’m a glute-dominant person? I mean you’ve heard about people who have problems recruiting their lats and use their biceps instead when they do pullups, right?

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i’ve cleaned bodyweight manhatten.

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I tried keeping my shoulders over the bar and it does result in a lot of tension in my hamstrings. I don’t know if I’d call it painful though. I’m going to reevaluate my form and see what I come up with.

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[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
cormac wrote:
Dr.PowerClean wrote:
Maybe I came from a different planet but in 10,000 power cleans I never once felt a pain in my hamstrings.
Now if its bent arms, I’m guilty of that about 9,999 times. (I think I coughed during one pc and caught it low with straight arms.) Doc

It’s not that you’re from another planet, your form just blows something awful. The only thing that is running through my mind as I approach the bar is “tension in the ass and hamstrings, stay over the bar, let the arms hang.”

Visualizing yourself constantly on the platform as a person with no upper body at all - just a set of big hamstrings, glutes, and quads - actually rewires a sense of self and will make you a better weightlifter. Try it.

Romanaz wrote:
Thats how you should be doing it

You guys ought to be a little more humble about how you respond to what people say on Olympic lifting. Telling someone their form is something awful is just stupid… especially saying this to a guy who is many years your senior in the sport. Sure, Doc PC has some things to fix, but he does a lot of things right too. I mean, he powercleans near what some of you all total. You have no right to make a comment like that, especially with your numbers. Your goals as a 77 in 9 months are not even brushing being competitive. How good can your form really be?

Second off, for a guy who has only entered the sport recently and isn’t cleaning bodyweight, Romanaz, you have a lot of expert advice that you are dispensing to the masses.

At the end of the day, a lot of you guys are getting pretty know-it-all-ish on a sport that you have just recently started and/or aren’t very good at. To post as if you are an authority when you are not is irresponsible, and I’d like to see you all stop doing it. Calm your tones down a little bit. Act with more humility. [/quote]

if a lifter with experience with the full lifts was asking for advice (which is not the case in most of the posts you are probably referring to), then I do have a bit more knowledge then the person posing the question, so, why not try and be helpful? If someone didn’t help me when I began, then I wouldn’t have gotten into this great sport. Therefore, I want to return the favor and help out newer people.