[quote]Professor X wrote:
Does this thread need to be moved to powerlifting forum?[/quote]
Sure thing. Just admit you were wrong before you move it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The one you sit upright in does not compare at all. The one you lay down on is only 3-5lbs off.[/quote]
Why would I admit I am wrong when I don’t train like a powerlifter? I don’t do a bench press the way a powerlifter would. I don’t worry about locking out a movement or anything shown in that vid above. I do not train in a 2-3 rep range. I don’t arch my back when pressing the weight because MY CHEST working is the main focus, not putting the weight in the air using as many muscles as possible
Why the fuck would I need to qualify this statement to mean BODYBUILDERS on this forum as if I needed to expect a bunch of powerlifters to act like we all train the same?
We don’t…at all.
In this forum, if it doesn’t give you really big muscles (the whole reason for more reps than TWO) then why the fuck are we discussing it?
Fucking hell Steely. Just… fuck.
goes and eats the GDP of Lesotho
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would I admit I am wrong when I don’t train like a powerlifter? I don’t do a bench press the way a powerlifter would. I don’t worry about locking out a movement or anything shown in that vid above. I do not train in a 2-3 rep range. I don’t arch my back when pressing the weight because MY CHEST working is the main focus, not putting the weight in the air using as many muscles as possible
Why the fuck would I need to qualify this statement to mean BODYBUILDERS on this forum as if I needed to expect a bunch of powerlifters to act like we all train the same?
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You’re talking in circles. You should run for office some time. Unless you’ve done both lifts recently and the weight you used as 3-5 lbs off, then you pulled that claim you made out of thin air. Whether you lift like a bodybuilder or powerlifter, 3-5 lbs off is bullshit. Did you read of that off of the Hammers Strength site and believe, or is that your actual experience?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Does this thread need to be moved to powerlifting forum?[/quote]
the guy in the video above your post is a national level bodybuilder…
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would I admit I am wrong when I don’t train like a powerlifter? I don’t do a bench press the way a powerlifter would. I don’t worry about locking out a movement or anything shown in that vid above. I do not train in a 2-3 rep range. I don’t arch my back when pressing the weight because MY CHEST working is the main focus, not putting the weight in the air using as many muscles as possible
Why the fuck would I need to qualify this statement to mean BODYBUILDERS on this forum as if I needed to expect a bunch of powerlifters to act like we all train the same?
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You’re talking in circles. You should run for office some time. Unless you’ve done both lifts recently and the weight you used as 3-5 lbs off, then you pulled that claim you made out of thin air. Whether you lift like a bodybuilder or powerlifter, 3-5 lbs off is bullshit. Did you read of that off of the Hammers Strength site and believe, or is that your actual experience?[/quote]
Thin air? I went to their website and posted what was listed as the initial weight difference.
I didn’t make that up for no reason and HOW you lift a weight is everything.
This is news to you?
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Fucking hell Steely. Just… fuck.
goes and eats the GDP of Lesotho[/quote]
Dude’s been eating steak.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Fucking hell Steely. Just… fuck.
goes and eats the GDP of Lesotho[/quote]
Dude’s been eating steak.[/quote]
On it. His new avatar was the only good thing in this clusterfuck of a thread
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WTF, Steely. Whose back is that?[/quote]
Shhh! I stole it from some guy in Atlanta this week.
This whole “I train hard and eat a lot” thing is just a cover.[/quote]
Yeah man. Great back shot and progress. As the young ones on here would say, I’m jelly.
Arching your back when you bench actually activates more pec.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Arching your back when you bench actually activates more pec.[/quote]
It also brings the lats more into play and turns it into more of a decline press. Saying it “activates more pec” is wrong.
[quote]Bambi wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bambi wrote:
Fucking hell Steely. Just… fuck.
goes and eats the GDP of Lesotho[/quote]
Dude’s been eating steak.[/quote]
On it. His new avatar was the only good thing in this clusterfuck of a thread[/quote]
PX/Bambi/Sam - LOL. Thanks for the words. Someday when I grow up, I want to be one of the ‘big boys’. 
Still a loooong way to go.
I’ve posted this in another thread already, but this meal was the highlight of my week so far:
Fucking unreal delicious (and somewhat anabolic).
Steak and pork chops FTMFW.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
Personally I repped my 1rm barbell bench max (365) for 9 on a flat HS machine my bench form is close grip and flat backed and is best described as horrendous, which probably has something to do with it. Still I don’t think the two are comparable for overall pressing strength, a guy doing 350X1 on an HS is a lot weaker than a guy doing 350X1 on a barbell. I would have to see evidence to show me otherwise.
The fact that Doucette is so much stronger with the machine and is an incredibly experienced powerlifter whose bench will be an incredibly efficient motion says to me that the lying HS machine is not even close in terms of difficultly. Saw Doucette lift at the Arnold, mutant is a good title for him.[/quote]
This is a BODYBUILDING FORUM. Unless we are discussing whether this makes his chest huge, it needs to be moved to powerlifting. Why the fuck would anyone care about “difficulty” in relation to bodybuilding?
I use the hammer strength machines because they gave me a chest bigger than the most of the guys ranting about their barbell bench. I don’t do it to test the “difficulty” in relation to doing a barbell bench using a powerlifting style to get it done.[/quote]
It’s great that you get better bodybuilding results from the hammer strength equipment, my point must not have been clear and must have offended you somehow, I’m not saying you’re weak big guy you’re clearly bigger and stronger than myself, so relax, but if a trainee looks at this thread and sees “a difference of 3-5lbs” and he happens to be like myself or it seems a bunch of other guys on here and there is a vast discrepancy, and is ever forced to use a barbell instead of a hammer strength machine for whatever reason, thinking he will be able to do within 3-5lbs difference on a barbell this theoretical trainee could get hurt or at least have his ego thoroughly smashed. None of this is personally attacking you, but it still seems like applicable information for bodybuilders just so they know most people have a large discrepancy with these numbers. I’ve got a pretty vivid picture of a guy who reps 3 plates on the HS for 6 getting pinned under 3 plates on the bar.
[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
I’ve got a pretty vivid picture of a guy who reps 3 plates on the HS for 6 getting pinned under 3 plates on the bar.
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So everybody’s on the same page, 3pps on the HS Bench is not equal to 3 plates on a barbell (ie. 315#).
You have to compare pounds to pounds.
My video didnt work, but if you check out Doucette’s youtube channel from the links that Iron Abrams posted you can see some of his contest footage and posing etc, his accomplishments are super inspiring to me.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
I’ve got a pretty vivid picture of a guy who reps 3 plates on the HS for 6 getting pinned under 3 plates on the bar.
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So everybody’s on the same page, 3pps on the HS Bench is not equal to 3 plates on a barbell (ie. 315#).
You have to compare pounds to pounds.[/quote]
LOL
[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
I’ve got a pretty vivid picture of a guy who reps 3 plates on the HS for 6 getting pinned under 3 plates on the bar.
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Hopefully most people aren’t so stupid that they think 3 plates is the same as 3 plates PLUS the equivalent of another plate. LMAO
EDIT: Steely D and his monstrous back got there way before me haha
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
[quote]BEAR BORN wrote:
I’ve got a pretty vivid picture of a guy who reps 3 plates on the HS for 6 getting pinned under 3 plates on the bar.
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Hopefully most people aren’t so stupid that they think 3 plates is the same as 3 plates PLUS the equivalent of another plate. LMAO
EDIT: Steely D and his monstrous back got there way before me haha[/quote]
LOL Steely’s back pushed in front of you in the e-queue; wonder if he knows his back gets places before him now
so what do you guys think/feel about HS machines in comparison to smyth machines for chest training? Pros/cons of each?