I think the HS Row machines are the best alternatives for BB rows for folks like myself who have abandoned BB rows because of previous low back injury.
The BB rows just put me in a compromised position where my lower back just groans. I can (and do) T-Bars, but probably at a higher angle than I would otherwise.
The various HS back equipment hits all parts of the back as well. I don’t know how the ‘pound for pound’ comparison works out, but at some point, it really doesn’t matter. You add enough weight to do the job, which is to build muscle and at every which angle you could ever want/need to.
The nice thing about the HS stuff is that the weight translates from place to place, unlike selectorized equipment which might have an extra pulley or more friction than another.
On a related note–
PX - you said the HS Flat press that you use only holds 5 plates (which is normal). I’ve found success using the 100# plates that normally live on the leg press. Of course, this is only useful if the gym has them…
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I think the HS Row machines are the best alternatives for BB rows for folks like myself who have abandoned BB rows because of previous low back injury.
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That machines and the ISO row are a godsend for people like me who have hurt their back. I have a power rack at home and a gym at work and I still pay $20 a month just to use those machines.
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chyeah, he was reppin’ a weight that was pretty dang close to the loading on the HS machine. granted this dude has a crazy efficient bench stroke, perfect leverages and is an all around machine (pun intended, specifically for the freeweight police 101z)
HS Dip machine is pretty close. Obviously it’s slightly front loaded some pounds to keep it down unloaded, but not by too much.
I loaded up close to bodyweight and was able to ‘float’ on it. A few pound more than bodyweight and I could actually do dips on the handles in the start position (without the assembly moving).
Haha I remember this thread. About 2 weeks after arguing that my 3 reps wasn’t a set I did this (see date on youtube) after my barbell workout. I’m probably good for 7 or 8 reps now and I still can’t barbell bench 365 for 1 rep.
haha anyone thats spent a few years in the gym should know that hammer wights do not come close to barbell wieghts. Not that they dont work, but there is just no comparison
hammer strength is for advanced bodybuilders who need additional development and for loser-ego motherfuckers who need to see and brag about heavier weights
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
haha anyone thats spent a few years in the gym should know that hammer wights do not come close to barbell wieghts. Not that they dont work, but there is just no comparison[/quote]
There seems to be different models or years or somesuch.
One gym has white ones (Plate loaded) that seem to have a lot less room then the gray ones (again plate loaded) gym where I usually lift. My gym also has gray pin select which seem tighter then the gray plate loaded…
Or is it all in my head?
p.s. I love Hammer Strength V-Squat and pullover machines (both plate loaded).
PX - you said the HS Flat press that you use only holds 5 plates (which is normal). I’ve found success using the 100# plates that normally live on the leg press. Of course, this is only useful if the gym has them…
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I asked at the gym if they could get, as 450 is as high as pullover machine, and 540 for v-squat will go with 45’s…
No go, they said people confuse them with 45’s and end up dropping them on their feet when taking them off the machines. So I bring straps with clips and strap extra 45’s on…
