Half Squats for Athletic Development

Where did you get soccer from?

We are closer in viewpoint than we are apart; I agree, weightlifting is GPP for the athlete. At the end of the day, what kind of squats he does is really not going to make or break him as an athlete (or anyone for that matter).

However, the dynamic correspondence of the half squat is greater than the full squat if you look at joint angles, force production, etc. for many jumping endeavors. Most athletes are looking to improve explosive jumping capability, regardless of sport.

[quote]Affliction wrote:
However, the dynamic correspondence of the half squat is greater than the full squat[/quote]

(first of all I want to make it clear that I define “full squat” as being below parallel but not necessarily glutes-to-calves which, from my experience most athletes don’t get as much out of, and I define a half-squat as being “knees at 90 degrees”, just to avoid any mixups)

Perhaps, but you need to consider the question of whether it is meaningfully greater such that it has a better risk:reward than the full squat.

For instance, say that on a fictional “dynamic correspondence scale” of 1 to 100 that a half squat rates as a 30 and a full squat a 28. Well then the half squat does have a greater dynamic correspondence than the full squat but not such that it would make a difference.

Also consider the differences of the half squat in that it does not provide for full development of the lower body, particularly in the glutes and hamstrings and poses greater stress on the knees. Additionally, the half squat is a movement of greater intensity as most athletes can handle a significantly greater loading in a half squat than a full squat. Thus, there is greater stress on the body, which may or may not be desirable.

In general, I’m inclined to favor a full squat. I think it provides for more balanced lower-body development and that the dynamic correspondence of both squat variations are low enough that neither holds a significant edge. Additionally, I think that, in many cases, reducing the loading on an athlete is better.

[quote]Affliction wrote:
Here’s a hint: full squats in GPP, parallel squats as the competitive period nears, half squats in late-SPP or for peaking.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, as we all know. But, again, the most important part of this whole thing is understanding how all the pieces fit together and organizing your training logically and progressively. There comes a point in an athlete’s development where block periodization becomes far more effective than the alternatives.[/quote]

This is a very knowledgeable statement and is there an adequate way in which this can be incorporated in a PL regimen?

But to the OP, im sure all can work their ways, but A2G squats would work better in overal leg developement,core strength and mobility

[quote]Affliction wrote:
Where did you get soccer from?

We are closer in viewpoint than we are apart; I agree, weightlifting is GPP for the athlete. At the end of the day, what kind of squats he does is really not going to make or break him as an athlete (or anyone for that matter).

However, the dynamic correspondence of the half squat is greater than the full squat if you look at joint angles, force production, etc. for many jumping endeavors. Most athletes are looking to improve explosive jumping capability, regardless of sport.[/quote]

Sorry, I got this thread and another regarding soccer mixed up…my bad. I agree that the half squat will have a greater force production capability obviously from the greater loading. However, it’s more than just force production capabilities at specific joint angles. Biomechanical efficiency, RFD(rate of force development), ESD(explosive strength deficit) and reactivity through the SSC cycle all have to be taken into account.

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Affliction wrote:
However, the dynamic correspondence of the half squat is greater than the full squat

(first of all I want to make it clear that I define “full squat” as being below parallel but not necessarily glutes-to-calves which, from my experience most athletes don’t get as much out of, and I define a half-squat as being “knees at 90 degrees”, just to avoid any mixups)

Perhaps, but you need to consider the question of whether it is meaningfully greater such that it has a better risk:reward than the full squat.

For instance, say that on a fictional “dynamic correspondence scale” of 1 to 100 that a half squat rates as a 30 and a full squat a 28. Well then the half squat does have a greater dynamic correspondence than the full squat but not such that it would make a difference.

Also consider the differences of the half squat in that it does not provide for full development of the lower body, particularly in the glutes and hamstrings and poses greater stress on the knees. Additionally, the half squat is a movement of greater intensity as most athletes can handle a significantly greater loading in a half squat than a full squat. Thus, there is greater stress on the body, which may or may not be desirable.

In general, I’m inclined to favor a full squat. I think it provides for more balanced lower-body development and that the dynamic correspondence of both squat variations are low enough that neither holds a significant edge. Additionally, I think that, in many cases, reducing the loading on an athlete is better.
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If I gave the impression that I favor the half squat only, I’m sorry. I think the half squat has its applications, but they are very specific and also somewhat limited. The full squat (I define it the same as you) is a much better approach the vast majority of the time.

It’s a tool in your toolbox. The only thing I was crusading for in this thread is that it should be in your toolbox. Most people don’t do them at all. They have their uses, as does everything.

The lack of glute and hamstring involvement can be a good thing for an athlete who is sprinting a lot. Ben Johnson used half squats exclusively later in his career.

Finally, I think you guys are exaggerating a bit with the dangers of them. I think depth jumps are a far more dangerous exercise for an athlete of lower preparation (then again, I wouldn’t have an athlete of low preparation do either exercise).

[quote]ChrisNTX wrote:
Sorry, I got this thread and another regarding soccer mixed up…my bad. I agree that the half squat will have a greater force production capability obviously from the greater loading. However, it’s more than just force production capabilities at specific joint angles. Biomechanical efficiency, RFD(rate of force development), ESD(explosive strength deficit) and reactivity through the SSC cycle all have to be taken into account. [/quote]

I agree, again. I think making the qualities that you listed coherently build upon another throughout the yearly plan is the key to being an artist and not just a trainer who has a lot of different colors of paint.

[quote]Affliction wrote:
If I gave the impression that I favor the half squat only, I’m sorry. I think the half squat has its applications, but they are very specific and also somewhat limited. The full squat (I define it the same as you) is a much better approach the vast majority of the time.

It’s a tool in your toolbox. The only thing I was crusading for in this thread is that it should be in your toolbox. Most people don’t do them at all. They have their uses, as does everything.

The lack of glute and hamstring involvement can be a good thing for an athlete who is sprinting a lot. Ben Johnson used half squats exclusively later in his career.

Finally, I think you guys are exaggerating a bit with the dangers of them. I think depth jumps are a far more dangerous exercise for an athlete of lower preparation (then again, I wouldn’t have an athlete of low preparation do either exercise).
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Agreed on all accounts, good points.

[quote]Affliction wrote:
jtrinsey wrote:
Affliction wrote:
However, the dynamic correspondence of the half squat is greater than the full squat

(first of all I want to make it clear that I define “full squat” as being below parallel but not necessarily glutes-to-calves which, from my experience most athletes don’t get as much out of, and I define a half-squat as being “knees at 90 degrees”, just to avoid any mixups)

Perhaps, but you need to consider the question of whether it is meaningfully greater such that it has a better risk:reward than the full squat.

For instance, say that on a fictional “dynamic correspondence scale” of 1 to 100 that a half squat rates as a 30 and a full squat a 28. Well then the half squat does have a greater dynamic correspondence than the full squat but not such that it would make a difference.

Also consider the differences of the half squat in that it does not provide for full development of the lower body, particularly in the glutes and hamstrings and poses greater stress on the knees. Additionally, the half squat is a movement of greater intensity as most athletes can handle a significantly greater loading in a half squat than a full squat. Thus, there is greater stress on the body, which may or may not be desirable.

In general, I’m inclined to favor a full squat. I think it provides for more balanced lower-body development and that the dynamic correspondence of both squat variations are low enough that neither holds a significant edge. Additionally, I think that, in many cases, reducing the loading on an athlete is better.

If I gave the impression that I favor the half squat only, I’m sorry. I think the half squat has its applications, but they are very specific and also somewhat limited. The full squat (I define it the same as you) is a much better approach the vast majority of the time.

It’s a tool in your toolbox. The only thing I was crusading for in this thread is that it should be in your toolbox. Most people don’t do them at all. They have their uses, as does everything.

The lack of glute and hamstring involvement can be a good thing for an athlete who is sprinting a lot. Ben Johnson used half squats exclusively later in his career.

Finally, I think you guys are exaggerating a bit with the dangers of them. I think depth jumps are a far more dangerous exercise for an athlete of lower preparation (then again, I wouldn’t have an athlete of low preparation do either exercise).
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I don’t disagree that the half squat is a tool and can possibly have a place in one’s training program. I do think it has a very limited place outside of the strength/power athlete i.e. powerlifting, shotput, discus, hammer throw and possibly OL weightlifting.

Regarding the exxaggeration of the dangers of half squat, there is no denying the fact that doing the half squat with a substantially heavier weight than can be used in the full squat increases the the compressive force on the spine. Are the benefits reaped worth the potential risks that are associated with the extra loading?

I agree that depth jumps can also be a dangerous exercise for the unprepared athlete. Lack of eccentric strength, too many foot contacts/volume and starting at too high of a box are all common mistakes people make when incorporating advanced plyometrics.

I just wanted to say that this is a great thread.

High rep Rhythm squats are better than heavy 1/2 box squats for explosiveness and conditioning.

I dont have a vid, but load bar w/your 1rm (or less) and do 1/2 or 1/4 squats exploding up on your toes. Keep the speed steady/smooth- no herky jerky stuff- get a quick rhythm going. Do high reps.

For ROM- I like to go down to my natural jumping depth- what feels most natural.

Since when is an exercise that’s good for conditioning good for explosiveness, and vice versa?

[quote]B3 wrote:
High rep Rhythm squats are better than heavy 1/2 box squats for explosiveness and conditioning.

I dont have a vid, but load bar w/your 1rm (or less) and do 1/2 or 1/4 squats exploding up on your toes. Keep the speed steady/smooth- no herky jerky stuff- get a quick rhythm going. Do high reps.

For ROM- I like to go down to my natural jumping depth- what feels most natural.
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Are you referring to something like this? Number 4 that is.

http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/archive/articles_dirty-tricks.htm

[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
IMO, ass to the floor with a pause

minimise weight used, maximise glute recruitment and bang for your bucks[/quote]

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