[quote]miller081608 wrote:
If you are going to buy a gun for self defense the only gun to buy is a glock. No other gun on the market will outlast it, hands down. The only thing to come close is the S&W MP. But you will pay about 200-300 more for it. Don’t listen to people that say to get a 40 over a 9. A 9 to the heart kills exactly the same as a 40 or 45 to the heart. Plus you can afford 9 ammo to practice with. Glock 19 is proven. There is no debate. Do not get me wrong i love my 1911 and sigs, but a glock with never stop shooting. Also dont listen to anyone about recoil, most dont know what they are talking about, yeh a 22 is fun and cheap. A 9mm and a 45 kick about the same. The 45 has looser powder. A 40 kicks the worst because its a high pressure round. Not a good choice. Police are the only ones that carry 40’s because 45’s they thought were to big for women. So they made 40. Now they realized the 40 kicks more and sucks, so most PD’s are switching. Stick with 9. There is a reason are special forces who can pick there weapons and calibers stick with 9mm.[/quote]
Have to agree that the 40 does kick. You can shoot 9mm all day but you will feel .40 after a few mags. It’s a high pressure round and definitely “snappier” but not bad for self-defense. I believe Holymac mentioned that there are 9mm rounds out there that will do the job as well as a .40 and I would agree.
Most of the PDs I know of use the .40. Haven’t read or heard much about them going back to 9mm.
Agreed that Glock is the way to go. It doesn’t feel as nice in the hand as a Sig226 but I don’t think there’s any other gun out there that’s in such widespread use and that’s been torture tested as much.
Kinda weird that HK had the MP5 available in .40 and 10mm and I think they stopped making it in those calibers and only do it in 9mm now.
[quote]saveski wrote:
Kinda weird that HK had the MP5 available in .40 and 10mm and I think they stopped making it in those calibers and only do it in 9mm now.
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you can always grab a UMP if you’re looking for .45 action.
What you need to know about guns: the one you have that you shoot well us the best gun regardless of caliber and type.
Pistol, shotgun, rifle , carbine all have their use.
For a pistol chose first one that fits your hand well that you shoot well. Then chose a 45 over a and a 9 over a 40. If you prefer revolvers chose a 357. It also shoots 38s.
Birdshot you have now beats a slug or buckshot you don’t have. Personally, the distance I would shoot my shotgun from behind my bed is 10 ft. Turkey shot, #4 is what I use. You’ll get hit by three shots in 1 second, if you get up you will be shot by my forty.
Why forty over 9mm. Recoil and pressures. Your forty even a glock can get excessive wear. Most serious operators I know go 45 or nine. These are current and ex SEALs who now are doing executive protection, along with others in the profession. Most are 1911 lovers. They hate Kimbers as do I. I had an SIS that had the safety fall off on round 200 or so. get a Springfield.
Btw, I am a glock armorer also. I bought a 19 years ago, but prefer my 19.
I know a guy who uses a FN FAL for part of his home defense. It’s his outside gun, he has a long driveway, but he has others for different areas and such. He’s a retired cop btw .
Gonna bump this instead of starting another gun thread. I’m looking for a good 1911 .45 with 4" or less barrel, price range $1000 +/- less is better, will go to $1200 if I have too but I’d rather not.
I like the looks of the Kimber pro carry II, S&W pro, Colt defender and one of the Sig 1911 the name escapes me now. Anyone have a suggestion that may not be main stream or do you like any of these I’ve mentioned?
I actually prefer a 9 over 40 due to those pressure things, just mistyped. My glock 23 is holding up fine, but many serious guys I know avoid 40s for 45s and 9s.
I think the main concern for home defense is penetrated walls and stopping power. Rifle rounds are out of course. They will go through walls. As far as stopping power the best choice is a .45. It is cheaper than .40 and packs more punch. A .45 slug with definately stop someone in their tracks. A 9mm not so much. You have to place your round with more accuracy.
For novice gun handlers the best choice is still a shotgun. Any gauge really. You can use bird shot if you don’t want to kill or buckshot and do some real damage. Just remember you might put some nice holes in your walls as well.
Personally I have a 12 gauge coach gun that can rip a man in half and a Kimber .45 1911 by my bed side.
The Kimber or any 1911 model is very smooth and does not have the barrel rise that smaller pistols have. Very easy to shoot accurately.
Kimber makes a great product and within your budget. I would definately recommend you get the Kimber. Colt is good as well. Father in law has the conceal carry 1911. I believe it is a New Agent. He loves it as well. I think it is cheaper than a Kimber.
I’ve shot over a thousand dollars worth of rounds through that gun and it has never jammed or misfired, and with a little gun smithing you can lighten the trigger considerably. Plus, parts are cheap and you can change the barrel to suit whatever kind of ammmo you can get ahold of. Just keep in mind that makarov 9mm is a proprietary round.
[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Kimber makes a great product and within your budget. I would definately recommend you get the Kimber. Colt is good as well. Father in law has the conceal carry 1911. I believe it is a New Agent. He loves it as well. I think it is cheaper than a Kimber.[/quote]
I forgot about the new agent, that gun is nice, will have to go check one out in person, I’ve only seen them on the webz.
Only difference are minor from the Kimber. The Kimber has the handle safety and regular safety. I believe the New Agent does not have the handle safety option.
[quote]four60 wrote:
I heard this about choice of knife,not gun. But hell we pay for our own blades on this side of the fence.[/quote]
there is currently no standard issue blade. from what i’ve seen you can carry any knife, as long as it’s approved by u’re command.
that is service wide, and doesn’t apply to just the sexy SF guys.[/quote]
You Hard core SF Ninjas. Hell I think choice of blade is Branch wide, since I am now an old fart desk jockey and carry anything from a 4" Voyager to a 5" Benchmade Onslaught. Nephew is in the AF and had to ask what I could send him as far as a blade and his reply was he could carry whatever I had.
Curious what do you guys carry as far as EDC/Work/Deployed Blade?
Curious what do you guys carry as far as EDC/Work/Deployed Blade?[/quote]
i am not a sexy sf guy.
my experience with knives and the military comes solely from my expeirence at the fighthouse on benning, and the lvl 3 and 4 combatives classes.
i know the creater of MACP has helped designed the LHR knife. while the blade itself doesn’t strike me as being something of a brand new concept, the rentention system on it is brilliant.
I know the army has many documented cases where a soldier was involved in a close quarter situation and had his own knife drawn out by the badguy. i know a common way to wear the bayonett is upside down, vertical, on the chest. if you were to be at grappling range with an opponent, it would be to easy for him to yank the blade out.
the LHR knife is locked in similar to how a lot of holsters secure a pistol. however in ‘combat speed’ against OPFOR, it was still easily allowed to be deployed.
the knife is set up to be worn on the strong side, and falls in-line with the ‘post-frame-hook’ concepts being taught currently at the unit level for ‘close the distance’
while probably not applicable for all situations, imo it seems to be a well made blade, with a good retention/deployment concepts that work in high stress situations. if i was going to be involved in cqb and did not have access to a pistol, i would feel confident wearing the lhr.
for just walking around/field use, i got the coldsteel ak47 knife for my bday and have been using it since. it’s cool i guess.