Yeah Wolf sucks but damn it was cheap. In my opinion the best home defense weapon is the one you are intimately familiar with and can operate without thinking. Don’t forget your jam/misfire drills. That will cause almost every untrained person to freeze up and allow the bad guy to get the drop on you.
Holymac how would one of these work?
I’ve never owned a gun before, but my friend had the 9mm version. I was thinking of getting the .40 for general home defense/learning to shoot etc.
My home defense go-to is an H&K USP .45, but like my dad (a career marine) always said “the only reason to use a pistol is to shoot your way to your rifle.” In this case the rifle is a Ruger mini-14. The fact that my handgun cost more than my rifle is testimony to my peculiar financial state.
However, I’m one of the lucky ones, I live in VERY rural Illinois, can’t see any of my neighbor’s houses from my house, and my house is earth-sheltered. Over-penetration is a non-issue.
The only trick now is to get the wife to do some shooting. She isn’t a huge fan of firearms and has said “I will never under any circumstance shoot someone.” Ayone have any tips? Beating her and verbal abuse has gotten me nowhere…
[quote]MikeyKBiatch wrote:
Holymac how would one of these work?
I’ve never owned a gun before, but my friend had the 9mm version. I was thinking of getting the .40 for general home defense/learning to shoot etc.[/quote]
i’d get it as a ‘range toy’. def wouldn’t trust my life or the lives of my family with something from hi-point.
although i do HIGHLY reccomend a carbine in pistol caliber as homedefense. i have a barretta storm built on a base of a barretta 92.
no specific reason as why i picked the 92, just it was easy to get extended mags, plus i also have a 92, so it’s cool to have both a carbine and pistol with interchangable mags.
i’ve shot the sub 2000 before. it’s really fun, but like i said, def wouldn’t be something i’d trust my life on.
i just realized the large price difference in the two.
if that’s an issue, i would suggest checking out a fullsize glock or springfield. or even a barretta 92
[quote]forkknifespoon wrote:
The only trick now is to get the wife to do some shooting. She isn’t a huge fan of firearms and has said “I will never under any circumstance shoot someone.” Ayone have any tips? Beating her and verbal abuse has gotten me nowhere…[/quote]
So will she not do any shooting at all? If anyone threatened one of my loved ones I wouldn’t hesitate to take a shot at them.
I went out to the range with a friend this weekend and shot his Glock 21 45ACP. That first shot was definitely a shock since I’d never shot a handgun before but I really enjoyed it, minus the two shell casings that managed to fly down my shirt and burn my bewbz haha.
[quote]crimson_lily wrote:
I went out to the range with a friend this weekend and shot his Glock 21 45ACP. That first shot was definitely a shock since I’d never shot a handgun before but I really enjoyed it, minus the two shell casings that managed to fly down my shirt and burn my bewbz haha. [/quote]
( . Y . ) and guns!?
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Yes, great…if you know you can’t…scream your location to those who have broken into your house. You can just rack that, put them in hyper alert, and they’ll be coming for you like kujo on speed.[/quote]
Really? They do that? Call me silly, but if I knew the jig was up by the racking of a round, I’d be looking for an exit, you know, before my chest cavity became one.
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Thats pretty hilarious that he thinks someone hearing a shotgun rack is going to come find out where it’s coming from. No, unless it is an assassin specifically coming for you they are going to GTFO.
Why is it being assumed that a person using a shotgun won’t be familiar with it, yet someone with a pistol will be like Jason Borne? I understand that for guys like HM that may be true,but most people won’t be able to hit shit with a pistol in a high stress situation unless they spend a lot of time training for it.
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I guess they have punk ass stick up crews in Michigan. I’ve been through a few stick ups, and I’ll tell you what, the last thing I’m reaching for is a shot gun. Tell you why, two years ago I was in the back room of a house when a stick up crew came in and met no resistance in the front room. The jackass who’s mom’s house we were in decided he was going to “scare” the stick up crew by “racking” his shot gun while I was in the bathroom going to climb out the back window. Well before I could get to the window, I hear the “rack” that is supposed to “scare” this crew off, the next thing I know a rain of bullets is coming through the room hits my friend in the leg and I’m laying on the floor of the bathroom waiting for the bullets to stop flying so I can jump out of the window.
Sorry, I’m not going to be trying to “scare” anyone with a “rack” of my shot gun. I’ll be doing one of two things, locking myself into my room and calling the police (if I got family in the house) or I’m getting the fuck out of there and if the only thing I got is a shot gun…I’m going to be quiet as I can be. I’ve been through enough stick ups to know that if you can hide and call the cops or get out of there and you don’t give away your location while being able to defend yourself, you’ll be better off than not.[/quote]
Well I guess you’re right, we don’t have any crime in Michigan. Good thing there aren’t any cities like Detroit or Flint or Inkster here.
No, I haven’t been involved in a bunch of stickups because I don’t involve myself with that type of crowd. What kind of crack houses are you hanging out in? I’m talking about home invasions, where usually the criminal is there because they think you are not. And I will still take the point and shoot of a short barrel shot gun over pistol if they are coming for me.
For the record I think your story is a bunch of bullshit. If you are being robbed that often you need to change your lifestyle.[/quote]
Wow that was some prejudice hate there, brother. I don’t know what kind of lifestyle you think I live, but my family lives in a blue collar neighborhood, in low-income housing. There are crack houses around my neighborhood, but I stay out of them. But last time I checked regular people that weren’t in crack houses get robbed, too. Or, maybe it’s a phenomenon of Phoenix, but then why would people be asking questions on home defense weapons?
Oh, and on that lifestyle, I’ll make sure to tell my family they need to stop being poor so we can move out of the neighborhood.
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How the hell did you get prejudice out of that? Because I told you not to hang with thugs? Yes, regular people get robbed, but you make it sound like the Normandy invasion. Must just be Phoenix, because you don’t hear about this shit in Detroit unless they are going after dealers.
Sorry, I thought they were asking about regular home defense, not being invaded by the A-team.[/quote]
How is bullets coming through a wall equal to the A-team?
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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
How is bullets coming through a wall equal to the A-team?[/quote]
Because you made it sound like there were half a dozen guys coming in with guns blazing.
I’ll ask again, how the hell did you get prejudice out of my statement? Prejudice against whom? The poor, for suggesting they not hang around houses that are likely to be shot up? Wanna be Thugs? The Catholic Church?
Home saftey has been covered. I’m curious what are you guys shooting for fun at the range or in the back woods/Desert depending on where you live or stationed?
The Baretta PX4 9mm is my choice just to throw up a target and set off some rounds.
I have a somewhat related question for the knowledgeable guys on this forum. I had a G17 for a while and wouldn’t leave a round in the chamber on a hammer-less gun without a manual safety (I didn’t use it for home defense). I understand the desire to remove complications, but what is the proper way to store a newer semi-auto for home defense? Do yall actually chamber a round and leave the gun in a drawer, or holster it or what?
Well wont call my self very Knowledgable in a room of Double "G"s (gun-guys) Double “D”.
However my option is a gun safe mounted in a couple spots in the house. The type I use is the Titan gun vault it can be mounted in a car under a bed and you hit a couple buttons in a certain way and it almost hands the gun to you. I’m a city dweller and live in a heavy populated area so while it is locked and loaded I do keep it in a safe.
A gun intended for use as self defense is useless without a round in the chamber. I guarantee if someone is coming at you with the intent to harm or kill you, you will forget to chamber the round before you start pulling the trigger. In about 1.5 seconds a man armed with a knife can cover 20 feet and stab you.
If you don’t have kids store it wherever you can most easily reach it.
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And why no feedback on my question about the Taurus TCP 380. anyone had any experience with it? Need somthing the wife can handle with ease small handed person that she is.[/quote]
Like I said in an earlier post - Taurus = garbage. They look cool, they spend money on advertising but several reports in GUN TESTS magazine (they test guns and take no advertising) the Tauruses I’ve seen were usually given F ratings - EVEN some of the revolvers…
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I have put more than 10,000 rounds through a couple Taurus’ over the past couple decades. The triggers aren’t as smooth as as a Smith but they are serviceable weapons.
Gun Tests can suck it.
[quote]grayman19 wrote:
Who the hell uses bird shot for home defense? Why not just use an airsoft gun, so you are treating a toy gun like a toy instead of a real gun like a toy.
x2 on the S&W 686. Great gun even for a novice shooter, as .38 rounds are cheap enough to practice with, but a load of .357 hydra shock will drop any home invader.
The only down side is the capacity in the gun, especially for someone with minimal experience, so something like a 1911 may be better. If you actually are in a situation where you face too many people for your weapon’s capacity, I recommend not pissing of drug cartels next time. [/quote]
Jesus Christ, some of you people have ZERO reading comprehension. I said a shotgun can use birdshot to slugs depending on the situation.
I agree that capacity is overrated in most situations.
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Now I know you don’t know what you’re talking about at all. You ever heard of a man named Dick Cheney. [/quote]
He put the guy down and didn’t kill him. Not bad if that is your goal.
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
A gun intended for use as self defense is useless without a round in the chamber. I guarantee if someone is coming at you with the intent to harm or kill you, you will forget to chamber the round before you start pulling the trigger. In about 1.5 seconds a man armed with a knife can cover 20 feet and stab you.
If you don’t have kids store it wherever you can most easily reach it. [/quote]
I understand that. I have a double action revolver. But you didn’t answer the question.
So you guys using glocks chamber a round and put it in a drawer without a holster or anything?
Sorry if this is a dumb question, I don’t have a lot of experience with semi-autos.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
A gun intended for use as self defense is useless without a round in the chamber. I guarantee if someone is coming at you with the intent to harm or kill you, you will forget to chamber the round before you start pulling the trigger. In about 1.5 seconds a man armed with a knife can cover 20 feet and stab you.
If you don’t have kids store it wherever you can most easily reach it. [/quote]
I understand that. I have a double action revolver. But you didn’t answer the question.
So you guys using glocks chamber a round and put it in a drawer without a holster or anything?
Sorry if this is a dumb question, I don’t have a lot of experience with semi-autos.[/quote]
I carry either a G19 or G30 when I carry both chambered but I do use a product called a Saf-T-block, it’s a small plastic plug that goes behind the trigger and pops out with ease with a light touch. The block gives me piece of mind when carring and storing the gun chambered.
As cwill1973 said in a stressful situation racking the slide will be the last thing on your mind IMO. The block is also something you have to think about but should be practiced along with drawing from a holster but the popping the block is much quicker than racking the slide.
As far as storage chambered, I have a 2 year old so I keep mine on top of a very tall hutch (7ft) that has a crownmolding top that keeps the gun completely hidden from anyone even if they know it’s there. It would be a little harder to get to in a situation but more importantly to me is keeping it out of my kids hand. I do also keep it in my carry holster while stored but that’s only out of convience to keep them together.