Gun People

SkyzykS · January 13, 2011, 8:35pm

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

No, you rack it to shoot them. If they hear it and run, dandy. If not, then you have one ready to let fly.

I mean, sure we get it. You have a bunch of tactical assault training and are a bona fide expert.

Your average, or even slightly above average chump burglar isn’t coming in ready for an all out fire fight. They just want something valuable that they can sell quickly and get their fix on. No fuss, no muss. They’re in all likely hood already dope sick, which is why they’re doing it in the first place.

The other possibility as Brother Chris alluded to is that it is a stick up crew. The only reason that they show up is because they know something of value is on the premises. If thats the case, then the owner of the premises should already know and be ready for what is certainly bound to happen.

Joe homeowner doesn’t need the latest mil-spec weaponry and training, unless he isn’t actually Joe homeowner, but Joe drug dealer, or Joe money launderer.

In keeping with your analogy to BB, it’s like telling someone new that they need to get a full line of the latest equipment from westside barbell, 3000 lbs. of free weights and a customized cycle from Victor Conte if they want to see results, when in reality, they aren’t ever going to even use an ab-cruncher.

Swinging some e-cock is all well and good too though. We all like to do it, so your reaction is understandable.
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ha.

i’m not saying you need to go buy a 3grand tacticool rifle. and like i said earlier i do NOT advocate trying to clear your house. sit tight in a bedroom with u’re gun pointed at the door.

i’m saying joe homeowner has a love affair with pump 12ga only b/c of movies and tv shows.

why choose a weapon that requires you to manipulate it after everytime you fire, has a large recoil REQUIRING you to have a decent shooting stance in order to manage it, and has limited cap?

all those shortcomings could be solved with a decent pistol and a visible laser.

i’d say my analogy is more like…when a new guy asks 'what should he do to get jacked" all the other newbs jump in with “zomg u need to take no-xplode”!!

when obviously there are much better choices to be made[/quote]

Reasonable enough.

So you down for some MMF next time I’m down Alabama? I’ll bring the wife if you bring the digi-cam.

JackDanials · January 14, 2011, 1:35am

Come on everybody knows that in a home invasion you NEVER EVER sit tight. You run out yelling in your best Cubanmeat voice "You little cockroaches… come on. You wanna play games? Okay, I play with you; come on. Okay. You wanna play rough? Okay. Say hello to my little friend!.. Than unload your M16/M203 grenade launcher. Only pussies worry about damaging their own house.

four60 · January 13, 2011, 8:45pm

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
To be honest in a city area the best option IN MY OPINON is to have both ready for use. I have friends who own weapons but keep the gun in one spot the bullets in the another room. WTF is that.

I have friends who laugh at the idea of having family learn how to use. Oh and trust me my spot is set up with more than just the piece in the bedroom. But Like most guys I set things up for myself. Then one day It hit me that this does not help the family if everything is only set up for me and I’m off in Haiti deployed.[/quote]

But dude! What if you have little items stashed through out and you are invaded by specially trained euro-villians/el-quaida? You open up on them, they flip the couch and grab a steel reinforced but elegant coffee table, only to find your uzi? You just armed the bad guy, and now he has better cover and more firepower than you. There are six of them and they want that flash drive.

Really though, my dad taught all of us how to shoot and handle a gun very early on. One of the most poignant and lasting lessons was the first one, in that what ever you point the gun at is going to be destroyed.

Coffee Table??? People still have those.

If you’re going to have it around, make sure that everybody knows how to use them safely, and the consequences of mis-use.[/quote]

Captnoblivious · January 13, 2011, 8:53pm

haha, I love guns! I think the argument has played out.

Has anyone noticed those jackass yourtube videos where some guy hands some super skinny chic a large caliber pistol and it busts her in the face? WTF is wrong with people?

dday · January 13, 2011, 9:06pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

LOL @ the mental image of a dude going nuts with a sks to defend against a home invasion[/quote]

Just picture how pissed I would be if I were interrupted in the middle of a MFM or FMF by a home invader.

Then picture me naked, cum dripping off my rock hard cock, cunt hair caught in my teeth and an SKS firmly in hand while the 7.62x39 FMJs ricochet all around my round bed with the wet and crusty sheets (while the gerlz continue to cum and cum and cum thinking the whole deal is a sex game).

Go ahead. Picture that.[/quote]

Yea…um…thanks for that…I’m going to go bleach my brain now and maybe jump off the building.

Captnoblivious · January 13, 2011, 9:32pm

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Do you want a gun for home protection purposes or just for shooting ranges? I’d go with a 12 gauge pump-action shotgun. They’re great for home protection (although a sawed-off barrel is preferable) and they’re ideal for shooting trap or skeet shooting. I’ve got a Weatherby Patrician II that’s served me well.

As far as handguns go, be conscious of the cost of ammo. I’ve got a .500 Magnum for boar hunting, but I rarely shoot it at the range since each bullet is about 3 bucks. I’ve always had a thing for revolvers. If you want a fun revolver, go with a .357 Magnum. You can save some money on ammo and use .38’s.[/quote]

Dude a 500sp for pig hunting? How many pigs have you shot with that cannon, does it pre-grind them into sausage?

SkyzykS · January 13, 2011, 9:24pm

Boar have a really thick skull plate and charge head first. To put one down effectively, you need something serious to penetrate that skull.

Captnoblivious · January 13, 2011, 9:38pm

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Boar have a really thick skull plate and charge head first. To put one down effectively, you need something serious to penetrate that skull.
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Ive killed plenty of them with a .22 rifle and several with my bow.

Are there many pigs in PA?

SkyzykS · January 13, 2011, 9:58pm

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Boar have a really thick skull plate and charge head first. To put one down effectively, you need something serious to penetrate that skull.
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Ive killed plenty of them with a .22 rifle and several with my bow.

Are there many pigs in PA?[/quote]

They aren’t really my thing. BG would know better, but there aren’t any reports or known sightings locally. The guys I know that go on stocked hunts carry a good side arm though.

Maybe they just like an opportunity to take their gun for a walk.

Captnoblivious · January 13, 2011, 10:15pm

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Boar have a really thick skull plate and charge head first. To put one down effectively, you need something serious to penetrate that skull.
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Ive killed plenty of them with a .22 rifle and several with my bow.

Are there many pigs in PA?[/quote]

They aren’t really my thing. BG would know better, but there aren’t any reports or known sightings locally. The guys I know that go on stocked hunts carry a good side arm though.

Maybe they just like an opportunity to take their gun for a walk.
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Stocked hunts are pretty mellow imo.

Ive seen guys catch pigs with good dogs and a set of handcuffs.

Have you ever put in for any of PA’s elk hunts?

Magicpunch · January 13, 2011, 10:45pm

I have no clue about guns since I’m from nancy old england. But what are the laws on crossbows in the US? Just wondering …

If there’s an entry over here, 99% of the time they won’t come in with a gun, so it becomes a case of whipping them with a wet towel or hitting them with a tennis racket.

I did hear a story of an invader who walked into a couple of guys’ house who were aware that he was entering. They subdued him, gagged and blindfolded him, made him dig a hole in the backgarden, threw him in the hole and then set him on fire.

I think he survived it. Not sure if its a true story, but oh man, if there were ever a deterrant-story to be told, this one was it.

SkyzykS · January 14, 2011, 12:03am

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Boar have a really thick skull plate and charge head first. To put one down effectively, you need something serious to penetrate that skull.
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Ive killed plenty of them with a .22 rifle and several with my bow.

Are there many pigs in PA?[/quote]

They aren’t really my thing. BG would know better, but there aren’t any reports or known sightings locally. The guys I know that go on stocked hunts carry a good side arm though.

Maybe they just like an opportunity to take their gun for a walk.
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Stocked hunts are pretty mellow imo.

Ive seen guys catch pigs with good dogs and a set of handcuffs.

Have you ever put in for any of PA’s elk hunts?
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Nah. A couple of my cousins have though. They have cabins up through the north central part of the state, and do a number of tags for white tail, bear, small game, and just about anything else you can shoot at.

I’d rather just chill out by a cool spring creek and trick fish with bugs made of fuzz and feathers.

edit: found this on the pigs- http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=621618&mode=2

DoubleDuce · January 14, 2011, 12:09am

I have a S&W 686 with hornday critical defense rounds and a charles daily semi auto 12 with slugs in a home with no need to worry about penetration. Am I doing it wrong?

grayman19 · January 14, 2011, 12:50am

Who the hell uses bird shot for home defense? Why not just use an airsoft gun, so you are treating a toy gun like a toy instead of a real gun like a toy.

x2 on the S&W 686. Great gun even for a novice shooter, as .38 rounds are cheap enough to practice with, but a load of .357 hydra shock will drop any home invader.

The only down side is the capacity in the gun, especially for someone with minimal experience, so something like a 1911 may be better. If you actually are in a situation where you face too many people for your weapon’s capacity, I recommend not pissing of drug cartels next time.

saveski · January 14, 2011, 2:51am

[quote]four60 wrote:
And why no feedback on my question about the Taurus TCP 380. anyone had any experience with it? Need somthing the wife can handle with ease small handed person that she is.[/quote]

Like I said in an earlier post - Taurus = garbage. They look cool, they spend money on advertising but several reports in GUN TESTS magazine (they test guns and take no advertising) the Tauruses I’ve seen were usually given F ratings - EVEN some of the revolvers.

For your wife I wouldn’t go smaller than a 9mm. Again - Glock, S&W, Ruger, HK, FN, Sig (although someone I know said the new ones were crappy FWIW) and Springfield are all fine choices. My wife is tiny and her gun is a Glock 19.

More important than 12ga vs. pistol is the fact that you should HAVE a gun for protection. Number 2 is if you get a pistol practice the FUCK out of it. Take classes, if you carry practice drawing it, practice pulling it from your hiding place, etc. And use some good defensive ammo. AMMUNITIONTOGO.com is a great site for buying ammo. All you need to know is at AR15.com.

You don’t know shit about shooting until you’ve put at LEAST 2000 rounds down range.

I know a guy who killed a would-be carjacker. I asked him if he had any depression/regret, etc. He said HELL NO.

I think it was American Rifleman that had a great article about 6 months ago about all the new 380s out there - Keltec, Ruger, Taurus, etc. Unfortuneately ALL of the pistols reviewed had malfunctions, except for one and I think the one that had no jams was some real unknown like Rohrbaugh maybe that cost over $1000? Sorry not sure. Passed that article on to a retired cop friend who just bought the Ruger 380 that looks exactly like a Keltec. Besides the 380 round being not-so-suitable for self-defense there didn’t seem to be a pistol out there that was reliable enough - that is - for SELF-DEFENSE. Glock does make a 380 but it’s not available in the US.

Brother_Chris · January 14, 2011, 3:21am

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
pump-action shotgun.[/quote]

Yes, great…if you know you can’t…scream your location to those who have broken into your house. You can just rack that, put them in hyper alert, and they’ll be coming for you like kujo on speed.[/quote]

Really? They do that? Call me silly, but if I knew the jig was up by the racking of a round, I’d be looking for an exit, you know, before my chest cavity became one.
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Thats pretty hilarious that he thinks someone hearing a shotgun rack is going to come find out where it’s coming from. No, unless it is an assassin specifically coming for you they are going to GTFO.

Why is it being assumed that a person using a shotgun won’t be familiar with it, yet someone with a pistol will be like Jason Borne? I understand that for guys like HM that may be true,but most people won’t be able to hit shit with a pistol in a high stress situation unless they spend a lot of time training for it.
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I guess they have punk ass stick up crews in Michigan. I’ve been through a few stick ups, and I’ll tell you what, the last thing I’m reaching for is a shot gun. Tell you why, two years ago I was in the back room of a house when a stick up crew came in and met no resistance in the front room. The jackass who’s mom’s house we were in decided he was going to “scare” the stick up crew by “racking” his shot gun while I was in the bathroom going to climb out the back window. Well before I could get to the window, I hear the “rack” that is supposed to “scare” this crew off, the next thing I know a rain of bullets is coming through the room hits my friend in the leg and I’m laying on the floor of the bathroom waiting for the bullets to stop flying so I can jump out of the window.

Sorry, I’m not going to be trying to “scare” anyone with a “rack” of my shot gun. I’ll be doing one of two things, locking myself into my room and calling the police (if I got family in the house) or I’m getting the fuck out of there and if the only thing I got is a shot gun…I’m going to be quiet as I can be. I’ve been through enough stick ups to know that if you can hide and call the cops or get out of there and you don’t give away your location while being able to defend yourself, you’ll be better off than not.[/quote]

Well I guess you’re right, we don’t have any crime in Michigan. Good thing there aren’t any cities like Detroit or Flint or Inkster here.

No, I haven’t been involved in a bunch of stickups because I don’t involve myself with that type of crowd. What kind of crack houses are you hanging out in? I’m talking about home invasions, where usually the criminal is there because they think you are not. And I will still take the point and shoot of a short barrel shot gun over pistol if they are coming for me.

For the record I think your story is a bunch of bullshit. If you are being robbed that often you need to change your lifestyle.[/quote]

Wow that was some prejudice hate there, brother. I don’t know what kind of lifestyle you think I live, but my family lives in a blue collar neighborhood, in low-income housing. There are crack houses around my neighborhood, but I stay out of them. But last time I checked regular people that weren’t in crack houses get robbed, too. Or, maybe it’s a phenomenon of Phoenix, but then why would people be asking questions on home defense weapons?

Oh, and on that lifestyle, I’ll make sure to tell my family they need to stop being poor so we can move out of the neighborhood.

Brother_Chris · January 14, 2011, 3:24am

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
birdshot[/quote]

Now I know you don’t know what you’re talking about at all. You ever heard of a man named Dick Cheney.

cwill1973 · January 14, 2011, 3:37am

jfit- I really like my Springfield XD’s. My XDM has interchangeable backstraps so you can fit it to the size of your hand. Haven’t had one jam yet even when shooting Wolf ammo and reloads.

HolyMacaroni · January 14, 2011, 3:51am

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
jfit- I really like my Springfield XD’s. My XDM has interchangeable backstraps so you can fit it to the size of your hand. Haven’t had one jam yet even when shooting Wolf ammo and reloads.[/quote]

goddamn wolf.

Testy1 · January 14, 2011, 3:57am