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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

I will say the best thing to do is SIT TIGHT, call the cops and be ready to die with your loved ones and weapon in the same room while you wait for someone else to eventually show up, if ever, and do the job for you…[/quote]

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What the hell are you talking about. Its good to know your always home with your family. And them having a phone is such a small thing it is crazy to even bring it up. However I’m not. If I’m underway the idea of her having communication and a gun means alot to me.

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Springfield XD’s chambered in .45 are nice guns if you intend to carry at all. Easy maintenance,Negligible recoil even at .45,Only safety is grip so no fooling around with a thumb safety if shit ever goes down,very reliable 1000 rounds downrange so far and no misfire but Ive read about people putting 20,000 down range with no maintenance without a misfire although that’s something im not willing to try myself.

And relatively easy to conceal(its my daily carry all seasons and im only 5"11 210lbs. certainly not a large guy). Relatively cheap i paid $515.00 for my 5" 13+1 .45. But the XD gear it comes with is worthless. Granted .45 isnt as devastating as a 12 guage but its still a proven round that is sufficient for home defense.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

This is mostly for home defense, I’f im not around she needs to be able to feel comfortable with it (thats why the range is her new weekend friend) and can handle it with those tiny azz hands. If she ever decideds to take the CCW course is up to her. [/quote]

when looking at pistols, an advantage of choosing one for home defense is you don’t have to worry about whether it’s small/comfortable enough to be able to wear/conceal it.

i think a mistake made by guys trying to get their wives/gfs into guns is they instictivly go for a ‘chick gun’.

while obviously i’m not suggestion she start using a kimber 1911, a fullsize or subcompact pistol in 9mm may allow for her to fire a more substantial round, and the larger size of the handgun with help her with grip and recoil managment.

of course it will come down with what feels comfortable to her, but that would be something to consider[/quote]
My wife keeps a small-frame S&W .357 in her nightstand. It fits her hand perfectly, we can burn up a bunch of .38 at the range, and she always ends a shooting session with 10-20 rounds of .357 so she’s prepared for the feel.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the idea of using birdshot or something non-lethal in a defense situation. If I am pulling the trigger on someone, it is to defend my life or my family, and my intent is to kill or at the very least badly incapacitate. My dad always taught me that you don’t point a weapon at someone unless you intend to make them dead. This is why my nightstand has a .45 with Hyrdashocks, and my wife’s has the .357 with Hydrashocks. God forbid, if I ever have to shoot someone, they are going down and staying there.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
This ^ does make perfect sense.

However, I live in a house without narrow hallways and doors, an open floor plan with vaulted ceilings and such, and am proficient with the use of my 18" barreled Mossberg 500. It makes perfect sense FOR ME to use as a home defense weapon. Besides, my SKS, Pythons, Dan Wesson 44 mag revolver, and Colt Commander are close by for backup.

If I wished to avoid racking the shotgun and giving away my position the solution is elementary - have my first round chambered beforehand.[/quote]

sure. if someone who has shot, owns, and regularly uses different kinds of firearms wants to have a pump-shot as his home defense piece, who am i to say?

again, it’s just the newbie factor that bothers me.

LOL @ the mental image of a dude going nuts with a sks to defend against a home invasion

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

I will say the best thing to do is SIT TIGHT, call the cops and be ready to die with your loved ones and weapon in the same room while you wait for someone else to eventually show up, if ever, and do the job for you…[/quote]

Fixed.[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about. Its good to know your always home with your family. And them having a phone is such a small thing it is crazy to even bring it up. However I’m not. If I’m underway the idea of her having communication and a gun means alot to me.[/quote]

No one, least of all me, suggested a cell phone was worthless in a home defense situation. However, YOU stated it was your primary defense weapon, second to none.

[quote]four60 wrote:

…Of course all of this is second to our cell phones next to the bed.[/quote]

You made an obvious error with that statement.

You and/or your loved ones will likely not be saved by the use of a cell phone in a violent home invasion situation and for you to reinforce that myth to your loved ones means you are giving them false hope that fuckin Supercop will swoop in and rescue them in seconds if only they will just call the caped crusaders with badges on their precious lil Droids clutched in their trembling hands.[/quote]

Hey, live your life and deal with your family the way you want. I’ll deal with mine in this manner. No I made no error.

What gives you the idea just because I ended my statement with the above it means I’m saying to grab the phone forget the gun because the cops are on the way??.
The whole reason for coming into this tread was to see what opions people had on hand guns for women with small hand.

I want her to become familar with the use of a weapon that it is to be used for home security. I even stated that she needs more training than I can give her so she is more comfortable with the weapon. What I don’t want is her to play supercop and go looking thru the house for someone who may get the jump on her.

The idea is to sit tight gun in hand call 911 and wait.

Its cool if your home all the time and have a super ninja set up in your house and have no need of the police.

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If you were set on a .380 and wanted something inexpensive, my first was a Bersa Thunder and it is/was extremely reliable, easy to handle, and eats up the cheapest and the most expensive ammo I’ve run through it. It is also relatively small in case a CCW is in the future. If it’s just for home, though - as others have noted - a bigger caliber would be doable - just have HER hold and check out the gun herself before you buy.

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hooray!

can we all go shoot now?

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[quote]Artemisia wrote:
If you were set on a .380 and wanted something inexpensive, my first was a Bersa Thunder and it is/was extremely reliable, easy to handle, and eats up the cheapest and the most expensive ammo I’ve run through it. It is also relatively small in case a CCW is in the future. If it’s just for home, though - as others have noted - a bigger caliber would be doable - just have HER hold and check out the gun herself before you buy.[/quote]

Anthing she gets I want her to put some rounds thru and by a couple I mean 100 at minimum. The range out here has rentals and I’m she is trying a bit of everything. We were trained on the Baretta 9 and I grew so use to carring it on underway that its going to take a lot to replace it as my #1 go to. But I have to say the Glock is winning me over.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Thing is, Mr. four60, you can’t always assume your wife and children will be in the bedroom in the middle of the night and therefore able to sit tight and call the cops.

A home invasion can happen at any time and your loved ones can be anywhere. Proper, prompt (instantaneous), fully ingrained (as much as possible) use of a lethal firearm is their best weapon. Not the phone.

If you teach “GO FOR THE PHONE, GO FOR THE PHONE” as a primary response to violent assault in training then rest assured THAT is what will happen in a high stress situation. And I am making the point that it could get them killed.

Have your loved ones employ the method that is most likely to instantly defuse the situation where they could lose their lives.[/quote]

I understand what your saying. But by what you said if they are trained with go to gun go to gun then I’m putting them in the same situation. There downstairs the gun is in another room they go for it instead of out the fucking back to the neighbors house and they run smack into Mr Rapist murder kiddie field goal kicker.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Ahhh I shouldn’t even have read this thread…these always end up becoming pissing contests about my gearz/caliber/flashlight/plan is better than yourz. [/quote]

i agree. but my initial point wasn’t to say ‘omfg u ONLY can use this’

it just annoys me when ppl just want to shout ‘oooo def get a 12ga pump, you can rack it to scare away the badguy’

dumb.[/quote]

No, you rack it to shoot them. If they hear it and run, dandy. If not, then you have one ready to let fly.

I mean, sure we get it. You have a bunch of tactical assault training and are a bona fide expert.

Your average, or even slightly above average chump burglar isn’t coming in ready for an all out fire fight. They just want something valuable that they can sell quickly and get their fix on. No fuss, no muss. They’re in all likely hood already dope sick, which is why they’re doing it in the first place.

The other possibility as Brother Chris alluded to is that it is a stick up crew. The only reason that they show up is because they know something of value is on the premises. If thats the case, then the owner of the premises should already know and be ready for what is certainly bound to happen.

Joe homeowner doesn’t need the latest mil-spec weaponry and training, unless he isn’t actually Joe homeowner, but Joe drug dealer, or Joe money launderer.

In keeping with your analogy to BB, it’s like telling someone new that they need to get a full line of the latest equipment from westside barbell, 3000 lbs. of free weights and a customized cycle from Victor Conte if they want to see results, when in reality, they aren’t ever going to even use an ab-cruncher.

Swinging some e-cock is all well and good too though. We all like to do it, so your reaction is understandable.

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To be honest in a city area the best option IN MY OPINON is to have both ready for use. I have friends who own weapons but keep the gun in one spot the bullets in the another room. WTF is that.

I have friends who laugh at the idea of having family learn how to use. Oh and trust me my spot is set up with more than just the piece in the bedroom. But Like most guys I set things up for myself. Then one day It hit me that this does not help the family if everything is only set up for me and I’m off in Haiti deployed.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

No, you rack it to shoot them. If they hear it and run, dandy. If not, then you have one ready to let fly.

I mean, sure we get it. You have a bunch of tactical assault training and are a bona fide expert.

Your average, or even slightly above average chump burglar isn’t coming in ready for an all out fire fight. They just want something valuable that they can sell quickly and get their fix on. No fuss, no muss. They’re in all likely hood already dope sick, which is why they’re doing it in the first place.

The other possibility as Brother Chris alluded to is that it is a stick up crew. The only reason that they show up is because they know something of value is on the premises. If thats the case, then the owner of the premises should already know and be ready for what is certainly bound to happen.

Joe homeowner doesn’t need the latest mil-spec weaponry and training, unless he isn’t actually Joe homeowner, but Joe drug dealer, or Joe money launderer.

In keeping with your analogy to BB, it’s like telling someone new that they need to get a full line of the latest equipment from westside barbell, 3000 lbs. of free weights and a customized cycle from Victor Conte if they want to see results, when in reality, they aren’t ever going to even use an ab-cruncher.

Swinging some e-cock is all well and good too though. We all like to do it, so your reaction is understandable.
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ha.

i’m not saying you need to go buy a 3grand tacticool rifle. and like i said earlier i do NOT advocate trying to clear your house. sit tight in a bedroom with u’re gun pointed at the door.

i’m saying joe homeowner has a love affair with pump 12ga only b/c of movies and tv shows.

why choose a weapon that requires you to manipulate it after everytime you fire, has a large recoil REQUIRING you to have a decent shooting stance in order to manage it, and has limited cap?

all those shortcomings could be solved with a decent pistol and a visible laser.

i’d say my analogy is more like…when a new guy asks 'what should he do to get jacked" all the other newbs jump in with “zomg u need to take no-xplode”!!

when obviously there are much better choices to be made

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[quote]four60 wrote:
To be honest in a city area the best option IN MY OPINON is to have both ready for use. I have friends who own weapons but keep the gun in one spot the bullets in the another room. WTF is that.

I have friends who laugh at the idea of having family learn how to use. Oh and trust me my spot is set up with more than just the piece in the bedroom. But Like most guys I set things up for myself. Then one day It hit me that this does not help the family if everything is only set up for me and I’m off in Haiti deployed.[/quote]

But dude! What if you have little items stashed through out and you are invaded by specially trained euro-villians/el-quaida? You open up on them, they flip the couch and grab a steel reinforced but elegant coffee table, only to find your uzi? You just armed the bad guy, and now he has better cover and more firepower than you. There are six of them and they want that flash drive.

Really though, my dad taught all of us how to shoot and handle a gun very early on. One of the most poignant and lasting lessons was the first one, in that what ever you point the gun at is going to be destroyed.

If you’re going to have it around, make sure that everybody knows how to use them safely, and the consequences of mis-use.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
To be honest in a city area the best option IN MY OPINON is to have both ready for use. I have friends who own weapons but keep the gun in one spot the bullets in the another room. WTF is that.

I have friends who laugh at the idea of having family learn how to use. Oh and trust me my spot is set up with more than just the piece in the bedroom. But Like most guys I set things up for myself. Then one day It hit me that this does not help the family if everything is only set up for me and I’m off in Haiti deployed.[/quote]

But dude! What if you have little items stashed through out and you are invaded by specially trained euro-villians/el-quaida? You open up on them, they flip the couch and grab a steel reinforced but elegant coffee table, only to find your uzi? You just armed the bad guy, and now he has better cover and more firepower than you. There are six of them and they want that flash drive.

Really though, my dad taught all of us how to shoot and handle a gun very early on. One of the most poignant and lasting lessons was the first one, in that what ever you point the gun at is going to be destroyed.

If you’re going to have it around, make sure that everybody knows how to use them safely, and the consequences of mis-use.[/quote]

Frag grenade under the kitchen sink, problem solved! lol