jfit, in Maryland TEC-9s are banned, and I’m not sure if the M&P-22 pistol has been approved for sale by the state police yet.
I have a couple M&P 9mms and if you like we could go to a range sometime so you and the wife unit can try them out.
And shotguns are not the best idea for home defense, especially for inexperienced shooters.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
@ OP - i think you may be getting your guns mixed up. unless you are confusing the name of what you think is a tec-9
this is a tec-9 TEC-9 - Wikipedia
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That looks like what I was talking about Tec-9, though my Dad’s had holes in the barrels.
Looks like a Tec-22 that you posted.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
JFit-
You say your dad has nice guns and you say you’re not a gun person. When’s the last time you shot a firearm?
You ready to kill someone? No, seriously-- are you mentally prepared to actually kill someone with a firearm? You live in a high crime/break-in Cul-de-Sac? You have a home alarm system wired into cops?
You never mentioned price. Couple hundred bucks v. $700-1000? Higher?
By all means, get you and your wife a nice handgun (.45, 9mm, etc) and go shoot at a range regularly and get proficient with a firearm and have fun. Go take a handgun safety class-- your local gun shop probably puts one on every couple months and probably works with local LEO’s.
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My Dad sold his guns a good 8 yrs ago. He had one left the .45 that I took to an outdoor range with a friend in college.
In HS we went to the range quite a few times (Dad and I), but that’s been over 10 yrs ago, so no, I wouldn’t say I would be prepared to use a gun in my home tomorrow.
At this point just doing some research.
The area isn’t high crime compared to most of the country, but compared to where I grew up (you could leave anything unlocked anywhere you go or even your house), this county is not the same.
We will have a security system, along with I’ve been looking at some cameras as well. Not that they would be needed, but I’d rather be safe than sorry, plus there is a detached garage that I would like to have surveillance on since I may end up making it a man cave of sorts.
As for shooting/killing someone. Having never been in the situation I can’t say for certain, but my feelings would be if someone broke into my house, I’d have no problem puttin a few shots into him to protect my family.
Price would be $300-500 tops at this point. And safety course would be on the list as well.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
pump-action shotgun.[/quote]
Yes, great…if you know you can’t…scream your location to those who have broken into your house. You can just rack that, put them in hyper alert, and they’ll be coming for you like kujo on speed.[/quote]
Really? They do that? Call me silly, but if I knew the jig was up by the racking of a round, I’d be looking for an exit, you know, before my chest cavity became one.
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Thats pretty hilarious that he thinks someone hearing a shotgun rack is going to come find out where it’s coming from. No, unless it is an assassin specifically coming for you they are going to GTFO.
Why is it being assumed that a person using a shotgun won’t be familiar with it, yet someone with a pistol will be like Jason Borne? I understand that for guys like HM that may be true,but most people won’t be able to hit shit with a pistol in a high stress situation unless they spend a lot of time training for it.
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I guess they have punk ass stick up crews in Michigan. I’ve been through a few stick ups, and I’ll tell you what, the last thing I’m reaching for is a shot gun. Tell you why, two years ago I was in the back room of a house when a stick up crew came in and met no resistance in the front room. The jackass who’s mom’s house we were in decided he was going to “scare” the stick up crew by “racking” his shot gun while I was in the bathroom going to climb out the back window. Well before I could get to the window, I hear the “rack” that is supposed to “scare” this crew off, the next thing I know a rain of bullets is coming through the room hits my friend in the leg and I’m laying on the floor of the bathroom waiting for the bullets to stop flying so I can jump out of the window.
Sorry, I’m not going to be trying to “scare” anyone with a “rack” of my shot gun. I’ll be doing one of two things, locking myself into my room and calling the police (if I got family in the house) or I’m getting the fuck out of there and if the only thing I got is a shot gun…I’m going to be quiet as I can be. I’ve been through enough stick ups to know that if you can hide and call the cops or get out of there and you don’t give away your location while being able to defend yourself, you’ll be better off than not.[/quote]
My buddy has a couple of houses he rents out. One of them is in the “bad area” close to the ghetto.
House got broken into @ 8 am or so while his tenant was getting ready for work. His car was in the driveway so it was pretty obvious someone was in the house.
Anyways, gunfight ensued, the tenant shot the intruders, one died on the spot, another one later in the hospital. From what I understand attackers had handguns, he used a shotgun even though he had a 45 on him.
Non-relevant info:
A week or so after that happened drive-buys began. Apparently the two were in the gang.
Long story short, tenant ended up moving.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]TEMPLAR wrote:
For the new gun owner I would recommend either a Mossberg 500 HS410 or a 590, depends on your experience level.[/quote]
god i fucking give up[/quote]
Please do because you are wrong. A 12 gauge is fine with the proper load for the situation.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]TEMPLAR wrote:
For the new gun owner I would recommend either a Mossberg 500 HS410 or a 590, depends on your experience level.[/quote]
god i fucking give up[/quote]
Please do because you are wrong. A 12 gauge is fine with the proper load for the situation.[/quote]
you mean for the RIGHT Situation an LOCATION.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Ahhh I shouldn’t even have read this thread…these always end up becoming pissing contests about my gearz/caliber/flashlight/plan is better than yourz. [/quote]
i agree. but my initial point wasn’t to say ‘omfg u ONLY can use this’
it just annoys me when ppl just want to shout ‘oooo def get a 12ga pump, you can rack it to scare away the badguy’
dumb.[/quote]
I have seen it work with my own eyes. People scatter when they hear it.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]TEMPLAR wrote:
For the new gun owner I would recommend either a Mossberg 500 HS410 or a 590, depends on your experience level.[/quote]
god i fucking give up[/quote]
Please do because you are wrong. A 12 gauge is fine with the proper load for the situation.[/quote]
you mean for the RIGHT Situation an LOCATION.[/quote]
Almost any situation. Handguns are fine if it is all you have but shotguns/carbines/rifles are better but harder to carry.
You can use birdshot in the house if you are afraid of over penetration and on the other end of the spectrum you can use slugs for better range or to penetrate a car.
You can use it to hunt, shoot clay pigeons etc.
Shotguns are inexpensive, legal almost everywhere and DA’s generally don’t look upon a shotgun as negatively as they do a more militaristic looking weapon. This is important after the shooting.
Of course if he wants something else he should get something else. Whatever he enjoys and practices with will be a good choice.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
…most people won’t be able to hit shit with a pistol in a high stress situation unless they spend a lot of time training for it.
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i agree. however have you seen someone try to manipulate a shotgun in a high-stress situation? just as bad - except now you can’t execute rapid follow up shots, it requires a shooter to manipulate the weapon after every shot, recoil and muzzle flash/report is large, and it requires two hands at all time. also you will generally only have around 7rds.
while not totally exact, i know data from police officers involved in shootouts exhibt something like less than 20% accuracy. you can certainly expect your average citizen to mimic the same statistics. i personally would advocate a carbine in handgun caliber. however a full size handgun with a visable laser would be adequate IMO.
a full size pistol would allow for easier recoil managment, visable laser would allow the shooter to not have to worry about having a proper sight picture / shooting stance, and if 12-20 rounds aren’t enough to kill/scare away/hold off whoever is trying to break into your house, well then i suggest you consider a lifestyle change.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Can’t we all just get along?[/quote]
shutup
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]TEMPLAR wrote:
For the new gun owner I would recommend either a Mossberg 500 HS410 or a 590, depends on your experience level.[/quote]
god i fucking give up[/quote]
Please do because you are wrong. A 12 gauge is fine with the proper load for the situation.[/quote]
you mean for the RIGHT Situation an LOCATION.[/quote]
Almost any situation. Handguns are fine if it is all you have but shotguns/carbines/rifles are better but harder to carry.
You can use birdshot in the house if you are afraid of over penetration and on the other end of the spectrum you can use slugs for better range or to penetrate a car.
You can use it to hunt, shoot clay pigeons etc.
Shotguns are inexpensive, legal almost everywhere and DA’s generally don’t look upon a shotgun as negatively as they do a more militaristic looking weapon. This is important after the shooting.
Of course if he wants something else he should get something else. Whatever he enjoys and practices with will be a good choice.[/quote]
I’m not sure how your house is set up or where you live. But like I stated above if you live like I do. In a Major city in a new home. You do not have tons of room for a rifle, Shotgun, etc. You have to manuver thru narrow halls and tight corner turns.
I understand the power a shotgun has and the fear it will put into most. But if your limited with range of motion then its benifits fall short. Good for large spaces not so much in tight smaller ones.
I will say the best thing to do is SIT TIGHT, call the cops and be ready with your loved ones and weapon in the same room.
But in some cases a father is going to be thinking about his kids in the next room so being able to move thru the home with your weapon is something everyone needs to think about.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
You can use birdshot in the house if you are afraid of over penetration [/quote]
ah yes.
LET’S USE BIRDSHOT AS A DEFENSIVE ROUND!!!
it’s funny, just like half the threads here on bodybuilding, when it comes to guns, you have a bunch of people giving advice when they obviously have no idea what they hell they are talking about.
[sorry for the shitty run on sentence]
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I’m by no means a gun person. But, will be getting a house in the next month, figured it might be a good time to get a gun. Sure this may cause a debate, but anyways. The wife has expressed interest in going to a shooting range anyways.
When I was a teenager my Dad was big into guns and had a few nice ones, AK-47, .44 single shot, Tech-9, Tech-22, .45
Out of all those I loved the Tech-9 the most. Not sure if that’s the right name or not, here’s the closes I’ve found on the net
Smith & Wesson M&P15-22P Pistol
Is this the normal going rate? Or should I try to go to a gun show and pick one up?
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Take a class through the NRA. Learn gun safety, marksmanship, breaking leather etc. Just owning a fire arm isn’t enough.
As for the weapon, anything 22 guage should be fine unless you have a small penis then you would need a larger caliber.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Please do because you are wrong. A 12 gauge is fine with the proper load for the situation.[/quote]
lol, like birdshot?
news article of a home intruder shot 4 times with birdshot with no serious injuries.
birdshot has been proven time and time again, it is a terribly poor choice as a defense load.
And why no feedback on my question about the Taurus TCP 380. anyone had any experience with it? Need somthing the wife can handle with ease small handed person that she is.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
You can use birdshot in the house if you are afraid of over penetration [/quote]
ah yes.
LET’S USE BIRDSHOT AS A DEFENSIVE ROUND!!!
it’s funny, just like half the threads here on bodybuilding, when it comes to guns, you have a bunch of people giving advice when they obviously have no idea what they hell they are talking about.
[sorry for the shitty run on sentence][/quote]
I wouldn’t advocate bird shot, but #2 will do fine. I have a shotgun that was passed down to me from my dad, who was a vice president for a teamsters union in the 70’s(aka an enforcer).
It is a double barrel 410 with an 18-1/2 barrel and pistol grip. Weighs next to nothing, can be shot one handed and at 10 yards with #4 shot has a pattern the size of a dinner plate. If it hits you I doubt you will be getting back up.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]TEMPLAR wrote:
For the new gun owner I would recommend either a Mossberg 500 HS410 or a 590, depends on your experience level.[/quote]
god i fucking give up[/quote]
Please do because you are wrong. A 12 gauge is fine with the proper load for the situation.[/quote]
you mean for the RIGHT Situation an LOCATION.[/quote]
Almost any situation. Handguns are fine if it is all you have but shotguns/carbines/rifles are better but harder to carry.
You can use birdshot in the house if you are afraid of over penetration and on the other end of the spectrum you can use slugs for better range or to penetrate a car.
You can use it to hunt, shoot clay pigeons etc.
Shotguns are inexpensive, legal almost everywhere and DA’s generally don’t look upon a shotgun as negatively as they do a more militaristic looking weapon. This is important after the shooting.
Of course if he wants something else he should get something else. Whatever he enjoys and practices with will be a good choice.[/quote]
I’m not sure how your house is set up or where you live. But like I stated above if you live like I do. In a Major city in a new home. You do not have tons of room for a rifle, Shotgun, etc. You have to manuver thru narrow halls and tight corner turns.
I understand the power a shotgun has and the fear it will put into most. But if your limited with range of motion then its benifits fall short. Good for large spaces not so much in tight smaller ones.
I will say the best thing to do is SIT TIGHT, call the cops and be ready with your loved ones and weapon in the same room.
But in some cases a father is going to be thinking about his kids in the next room so being able to move thru the home with your weapon is something everyone needs to think about.[/quote]
I understand and it is perfectly acceptable to analyze teh situation and decide a postol suits your needs better than a shotgun.
I just don’t like to see hate on the scattergun.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
You can use birdshot in the house if you are afraid of over penetration [/quote]
ah yes.
LET’S USE BIRDSHOT AS A DEFENSIVE ROUND!!!
it’s funny, just like half the threads here on bodybuilding, when it comes to guns, you have a bunch of people giving advice when they obviously have no idea what they hell they are talking about.
[sorry for the shitty run on sentence][/quote]
Better choice than a 9mm going through the wall and the babies head.
It is a defensive situation, less than lethal MAY save you trouble in the long run. It may also save you the moral anguish of killing another human being.
Or it may kill him at close range.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Please do because you are wrong. A 12 gauge is fine with the proper load for the situation.[/quote]
lol, like birdshot?
news article of a home intruder shot 4 times with birdshot with no serious injuries.
birdshot has been proven time and time again, it is a terribly poor choice as a defense load.[/quote]
Did you read the article? Use of birdshot probably saved him from a murder or manslaughter rap.
Kinda proves my point.
And HolyMac, I see you ignore my suggestion of slugs depending on the situation.