[quote]pushharder wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…But aren’t you and many others constantly complaining about how “politically correct” everything is? Why not stay consistent and cheer it on when someone speaks what is on their mind? I am confused by how you take offense when you claim at other times that this is what you want. Strange.
You’re right here but the rest of your post(s) reek of hypocrisy. You won’t see it though. A blind man has to develop his other senses.
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If I am right here, then everyone else’s posts reek of hypocrisy as well. Odd that you would only point out my apparent faults but not those of others. In fact, that is a little beyond “odd” and falling right into “that guy is fucking strange”.
[quote]Diomede wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
I think the real truth here is that, for the most part, race has nothing to do with sports. What you see in certain sports is more social/economic than anything. Skiing and most winter sports historically were for the rich white people. So you are not going to have a lot of blacks in a sport that was previously not accessible to them for many reasons. But, just like golf with Tiger Woods, I expect you will see many more blacks in all kinds of sports including winter sports.
So once these social/economic barriers are wide open you will see people of many races in the top levels of sports.
there is no shortage of white people who train for running sports, yet who tends to dominate them? Africans(Kenyans for distance) and African Americans(Canadian, american, jamaican, etc) for sprinting.
Race does make a difference. Why are people so scared in admitting this? And who cares if it does make a difference. It is not like it knocks the feat at all…does anyone look down at einstein because he was born with a higher mental capacity than others…[/quote]
And yet one of the biggest and best basketball player in the world is a Chinese guy!
I agree that race is a factor at times, but not to the stereotypical extent that you have described above.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…But aren’t you and many others constantly complaining about how “politically correct” everything is? Why not stay consistent and cheer it on when someone speaks what is on their mind? I am confused by how you take offense when you claim at other times that this is what you want. Strange.
You’re right here but the rest of your post(s) reek of hypocrisy. You won’t see it though. A blind man has to develop his other senses.
If I am right here, then everyone else’s posts reek of hypocrisy as well. Odd that you would only point out my apparent faults but not those of others. In fact, that is a little beyond “odd” and falling right into “that guy is fucking strange”.[/quote]
Bro, you are the only one with three threads devoted you. I know that wasn’t your idea or creation, but it does make you a natural target. So that is why people focus on you more than others. It’s the price of being famous!
Hey POX, all you have to tell me is if the following would be accpetable to you if stated by a white sportscaster:
“The Olympics are a joke, You expect us to believe that these are the best athletes? There arn’t even any white people in them.”
If you say “yes” then the debate is closed.
If you say “no” then you have to tell me why you are defending Gumbel (other than he’s a black liberal).
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I say NO, and I wrote my answer above. First, there is no way I would say something like that, however, due to double standards in society, those two statements have SEVERELY different meanings. That is not a direct analogy because whites don’t make up the MAJORITY of professional athletes in this country. I understand exactly what Gumbel’s point was in that regard.
Therefore, unless your arguments about “political correctness” are all bullshit, why aren’t you praising the fact that this is accepted and simply use it as future reference the next time someone publicly points out a relation like this? That is the simple truth of it. The implications of simply reversing that statement and throwing in “white” where “black” was changes how it would be accepted. Until the majority is on equal footing with minorities in this country, that is the way things will no doubt remain.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The implications of simply reversing that statement and throwing in “white” where “black” was changes how it would be accepted. Until the majority is on equal footing with minorities in this country, that is the way things will no doubt remain.[/quote]
Changes how it would be accepted by you and your fellow liberals!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The implications of simply reversing that statement and throwing in “white” where “black” was changes how it would be accepted. Until the majority is on equal footing with minorities in this country, that is the way things will no doubt remain.
Changes how it would be accepted by you and your fellow liberals!
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I am not a liberal and that statement changes how it is accepted in SOCIETY, not by any particular political group. The only reason you are raising hell about this is because you search for any opportunity to scream, “see, that black man is racist!!”. Meanwhile, Bryant Gumbel is married to a white woman and many consider him less than “urban” himself.
If it is not acceptable for a white sportscaster to say it (in reverse) then in all fairness a black sportscaster should not say it either.
Gumbels actions do not strengthen black/white relations.
Those comments are divisive on many levels and Gumbel should be called to task for them, BY EVERYONE![/quote]
No, he shouldn’t. I hate the winter olympics. I have little doubt that if more blacks actually competed that there would be more blacks going home with the gold. I am not afraid to say that at all. Again, who makes up the majority of athletes in professional sports teams across America? This very site did an entire article on this so why are so many acting as if it holds no merit and should never be spoken?
I got it, one set of rules for blacks and another for whites. That’s what you are saying. Tell me how are we supposed to achieve true equality in every way from that?
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Diomede wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
I think the real truth here is that, for the most part, race has nothing to do with sports. What you see in certain sports is more social/economic than anything. Skiing and most winter sports historically were for the rich white people. So you are not going to have a lot of blacks in a sport that was previously not accessible to them for many reasons. But, just like golf with Tiger Woods, I expect you will see many more blacks in all kinds of sports including winter sports.
So once these social/economic barriers are wide open you will see people of many races in the top levels of sports.
there is no shortage of white people who train for running sports, yet who tends to dominate them? Africans(Kenyans for distance) and African Americans(Canadian, american, jamaican, etc) for sprinting.
Race does make a difference. Why are people so scared in admitting this? And who cares if it does make a difference. It is not like it knocks the feat at all…does anyone look down at einstein because he was born with a higher mental capacity than others…
And yet one of the biggest and best basketball player in the world is a Chinese guy!
I agree that race is a factor at times, but not to the stereotypical extent that you have described above.
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yao? one of the biggest(yes)…best? not really.
And with a nation of 1.3 billion, anamolies will happen.
Tell me then, why are the majority of world class sprinters and marathoners black? They’re a minority in the world and they are WELL overrepresented. And you cant tell me it is a socio-economic reason like basketball.
I got it, one set of rules for blacks and another for whites. That’s what you are saying. Tell me how are we supposed to achieve true equality in every way from that?
Sad!
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This was hilarious. The differences in the treatment of races up to this point are why there ARE double standards. The day you can say “nigger” outloud without attracting any more attention than a black man would is the day you can pretend as if the same rules apply in all social situations. Until then, welcome to reality.
I got it, one set of rules for blacks and another for whites. That’s what you are saying. Tell me how are we supposed to achieve true equality in every way from that?
Sad!
…is the day you can pretend as if the same rules apply in all social situations. Until then, welcome to reality.
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Social situations?
Bryant Gumbel is on television! He’s a national personality.
What he says carrys weight. And the fact that people LIKE YOU are willing to give him a pass for his racist remarks IS TELLING!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
POX,
I got it, one set of rules for blacks and another for whites. That’s what you are saying. Tell me how are we supposed to achieve true equality in every way from that?
Sad!
…is the day you can pretend as if the same rules apply in all social situations. Until then, welcome to reality.
Social situations?
Bryant Gumbel is on television! He’s a national personality.
What he says carrys weight. And the fact that people LIKE YOU are willing to give him a pass for his racist remarks IS TELLING!
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What happened to “down with political correctness”? Oh, I see. You only want that when they are saying what you want them to say.
As much as it pains me to do so, I’m going to partially agree with Prof.X on this on. If we want to get rid of political correct bullshit, it can’t be done if we act like little liberal weenies everytime someone says something we don’t like.
I do think double standards are wrong, no matter what justification people try to use to make them alright. However, instead of trying to censure Gumbel we should focus on defending everyone’s right to say stupid shit.
What happened to “down with political correctness”? Oh, I see. You only want that when they are saying what you want them to say.
Huh?
I’m talking about racial equality here. No one, black or white should be able refer to race in that way.
Or, everyone should![/quote]
No one should be able to refer to race in which way? By saying that one race may be statistically better at ahletic performance so an event that has an abnormally limited number of those of that particular race is disingenuous when calling the athletes involved “the best” in the world? Let me ask you, do you truly believe that there is absolutely no correlation in any way what so ever between race and athletic performance?
This is a sporting event we are talking about. His comment was about athletics.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
What happened to “down with political correctness”? Oh, I see. You only want that when they are saying what you want them to say.
Huh?
I’m talking about racial equality here. No one, black or white should be able refer to race in that way.
Or, everyone should!
No one should be able to refer to race in which way? By saying that one race may be statistically better at ahletic performance so an event that has an abnormally limited number of those of that particular race is disingenuous when calling the athletes involved “the best” in the world? Let me ask you, do you truly believe that there is absolutely no correlation in any way what so ever between race and athletic performance?
This is a sporting event we are talking about. His comment was about athletics.[/quote]
Of course there is a correlation.
However, i’m curious if you’d immediately shut off the possibility that maybe there is a link between say race and aggression, or say race and intelligence?
[quote]Diomede wrote:
Of course there is a correlation.
However, i’m curious if you’d immediately shut off the possibility that maybe there is a link between say race and aggression, or say race and intelligence?
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I would say that this argument was argued by many conservatives when they complained about women getting mad because of a correlation between sex and academic performance in certain areas. Conservatives cried about how being “politically correct” was so wrong in that regard…then they turn around and cry because someone implies that blacks are better at sports?
As far as intelligence, you show me the evidence that two races raised the same with the exact same education perform statistically different in academics and then we can talk. From what I have seen, if socio-economic factors are the same, there is no difference. As far as athletics, we do see a difference in performance even from similar socioeconomic backgrounds which can be verified by simply turning on ESPN.
One major problem with what you are implying is that only recently have blacks on any sort of mass scale begun to match the income or social status of whites in this country. To ignore the impact that income, social status, environment, and lesser education have on academic performance or future success would be misguided and blatantly wrong.