GSP vs Condit

Training
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
3. If you are claiming that Sonnen’s wrestling and ground game is superior to Jones in that area you are too far gone for me to change your mind on a message board. I would only ask you to take another look at both fighters in their last dozen fights or so. Jones is on another planet skill wise as compared to Sonnen.[/quote]

This. I mean, Sonnen couldn’t take down Bisping. Jones takes down everybody. At will. In the next weight class. And let’s not even talk about the damage from top control. Not maintaining top control, but causing actual damage.

Their skill sets are miles apart. And that’s not even considering Jones’ uniqe physical attributes.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
I don’t know call me weird I think “power” has become hyperbole in MMA.

I mean is it really all that impressive that guys weighing near 180lbs fighting in 4oz gloves can drop someone with one punch to the chin? I’ve seen untrained guys do that in clubs all the time.[/quote]

Obviously its easier to KO with smaller gloves, that doesnt detract from the power of some of these guys.

Theres a reason certain guys are considered “knock out artists” and others, like Bisping and Diaz are considered “pillow punchers.” These guys dont win fights with a single punch, they win fights with overwhelming volume, landing dozens if not hundreds of punches in a fight. Guys like Anderson Silva and Melvin Guillard constantly hold the threat of landing that fight ending punch at any time, no matter how good your chin is. Obvious differences in power.
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Dont get me wrong, I’m not saying kendricks doesnt have legitimate power

but at some point we also have to consider that like I said before, it’s 4oz gloves with guys who walk in the cage at anywhere between 180-200lbs rehydrated, you cop someone on the chin with your bodyweight into the punch, its a pretty good chance they are going down.

I mean how many fighters have we heard joe rogaine and goldberg blather on about their “power”, it’s almost every 2nd fighter you see. The smaller gloves make a huge difference in velocity and there isnt a huge surface area for the energy to dissipate over like there is with 8oz or 10oz gloves.

At the end of the day, I don’t think punching power alone makes him a threat to GSP, so thats why I find people saying he’s ready gor GSP bizarre. Someone else already said it I think, but the only real reason to watch that fight is wondering if kendricks wins by punchers chance at the start of each round.

Otherwise, GSP is leaps and bounds ahead of him in every aspect, striking, wrestling, JJ etc.

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[quote]Khaine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
3. If you are claiming that Sonnen’s wrestling and ground game is superior to Jones in that area you are too far gone for me to change your mind on a message board. I would only ask you to take another look at both fighters in their last dozen fights or so. Jones is on another planet skill wise as compared to Sonnen.[/quote]

This. I mean, Sonnen couldn’t take down Bisping. Jones takes down everybody. At will. In the next weight class. And let’s not even talk about the damage from top control. Not maintaining top control, but causing actual damage.

Their skill sets are miles apart. And that’s not even considering Jones’ uniqe physical attributes.[/quote]
He took Bisping down, not at will, but he managed to get him down.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

  1. No one…NO ONE allows their opponent to beat the shit out of them for 4 1/2 rounds because they’re “toying with them.” Sorry that doesn’t wash. And I know you are far too smart to believe that Anderson Silva allowed himself to be punched, slapped, elbowed and generally beaten up for about 22 minutes straight just for shits and giggles.

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Remember that Silva had slightly injured his rib training for the first Sonnen fight, and the doctors recommended he pull out. Also, there was some controversy about Sonnen’s testosterone levels, I although I forget what was determined in that case.

In his Bonnar fight, he was literally waving to his cornerman while being pushed up against the cage to indicate he wasn’t in bad shape, shortly before landing a devastating knee to the plexus.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

Have no doubts Anderson would destroy GSP in a fight.

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I agree, just as Bones Jones would destroy Anderson Silva. In fact, we’re not saying much are we? A heavier fighter whose skills are even close will usually beat a smaller man. Anderson Silva would be foolish to fight Jones (and he says he wants no part of him). Just as GSP would be foolish to fight Silva.

Now let’s talk about something else.[/quote]

Jones would destroy Silva? Based on your reasons it doesn’t appear so as Silva is probably not that lighter than Jones (Silva has fought at 205 before). And the gap in skills is not that small. [/quote]

Why do you think Silva is talking a GSP fight instead of a Bones Jones fight? And when asked about a fight with Jones he shook his head back and forth with a look on his face that said “no way man I’m not stupid.”

He knows and from what I’ve seen he’s not a dumb guy. And being a great fighter I respect his opinion over yours.[/quote]

Really? You base what you think he thinks, on a look? And even if Silva doesn’t think he can win, or that it would be hard for him to win, that’s different than him believing, or someone else saying, he would get destroyed. That’s my point. He might not win but he won’t get destroyed. He would, in all likelihood, do better than Belfort or Machida.

Maybe he wants GSP because it would be not only the easier fight but the fight that would make more money. He would be stupid, as his look suggested to you, to go for the harder and less lucrative fight.

Jones would be the tougher fight, on paper, but to believe that Silva would get destroyed or that he is afraid is silly after all we know about him. Sonnen 2 was supposed to be a tough fight. He was even, according to many, going to beat Silva. He had the tools and skill set that presented Silva with the toughest match-up of his career (on paper). We all know how it turned out to be the exact opposite. [/quote]

  1. Anderson Silva does not want to fight Bones Jones. You suggested that it is because of money, however a Silva/Jones fight would be just as big gate wise each has dispensed with their opponents in their own weight class. So the only other reason is that he knows he would lose…and he would. And like anyone he’d rather make a lot of money and win than make a lot of money and lose. It’s not a matter of being afraid it’s a matter of being smart. Now give me that long list of fighters (in any combat sport) who moved up a weight class and beat the champion. Uh huh…

  2. Comparing Sonnen to Jones is silly. Jones ground game is light years ahead of Sonnen’s. While Sonnen is very tough on the ground he is right out of the 90’s with his ground and pound incredibly tough but also very predictable. And he still managed to beat up Silva for 4 1/2 rounds. What would Bones do to Silva on the ground with his greater size and better skill set? Horrible, horrible things and Silva knows that.

And this is a pointless conversation to have. It should all be very apparent by now. There will never be a Silva/Jones fight because Silva doesn’t want one. But there might be a Silva/GSP fight because Silva wants one. Does GSP? I have no idea, but he shouldn’t want one for the reasons that I’ve stated previously.[/quote]
The GSP fight will be more money. That should be an obvious fact. And I’m sure that Silva would fight Jones for the right price. Also, if you watch boxing then someone moving up and winning a title is not unheard of. Silva himself started out fighting at a lower weight. He also moved up to 205 and beat Griffin (a former 205 champ). Although he was no longer holding a belt Hendo beat Fedor.

What would Jones do to Silva on the ground? Let’s see, Belfort, who has fewer submission wins than Silva almost beat Jones with an armbar.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

Have no doubts Anderson would destroy GSP in a fight.

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I agree, just as Bones Jones would destroy Anderson Silva. In fact, we’re not saying much are we? A heavier fighter whose skills are even close will usually beat a smaller man. Anderson Silva would be foolish to fight Jones (and he says he wants no part of him). Just as GSP would be foolish to fight Silva.

Now let’s talk about something else.[/quote]

Jones would destroy Silva? Based on your reasons it doesn’t appear so as Silva is probably not that lighter than Jones (Silva has fought at 205 before). And the gap in skills is not that small. [/quote]

Why do you think Silva is talking a GSP fight instead of a Bones Jones fight? And when asked about a fight with Jones he shook his head back and forth with a look on his face that said “no way man I’m not stupid.”

He knows and from what I’ve seen he’s not a dumb guy. And being a great fighter I respect his opinion over yours.[/quote]

Really? You base what you think he thinks, on a look? And even if Silva doesn’t think he can win, or that it would be hard for him to win, that’s different than him believing, or someone else saying, he would get destroyed. That’s my point. He might not win but he won’t get destroyed. He would, in all likelihood, do better than Belfort or Machida.

Maybe he wants GSP because it would be not only the easier fight but the fight that would make more money. He would be stupid, as his look suggested to you, to go for the harder and less lucrative fight.

Jones would be the tougher fight, on paper, but to believe that Silva would get destroyed or that he is afraid is silly after all we know about him. Sonnen 2 was supposed to be a tough fight. He was even, according to many, going to beat Silva. He had the tools and skill set that presented Silva with the toughest match-up of his career (on paper). We all know how it turned out to be the exact opposite. [/quote]

  1. Anderson Silva does not want to fight Bones Jones. You suggested that it is because of money, however a Silva/Jones fight would be just as big gate wise each has dispensed with their opponents in their own weight class. So the only other reason is that he knows he would lose…and he would. And like anyone he’d rather make a lot of money and win than make a lot of money and lose. It’s not a matter of being afraid it’s a matter of being smart. Now give me that long list of fighters (in any combat sport) who moved up a weight class and beat the champion. Uh huh…

  2. Comparing Sonnen to Jones is silly. Jones ground game is light years ahead of Sonnen’s. While Sonnen is very tough on the ground he is right out of the 90’s with his ground and pound incredibly tough but also very predictable. And he still managed to beat up Silva for 4 1/2 rounds. What would Bones do to Silva on the ground with his greater size and better skill set? Horrible, horrible things and Silva knows that.

And this is a pointless conversation to have. It should all be very apparent by now. There will never be a Silva/Jones fight because Silva doesn’t want one. But there might be a Silva/GSP fight because Silva wants one. Does GSP? I have no idea, but he shouldn’t want one for the reasons that I’ve stated previously.[/quote]

The GSP fight will be more money. That should be an obvious fact. And I’m sure that Silva would fight Jones for the right price. Also, if you watch boxing then someone moving up and winning a title is not unheard of. Silva himself started out fighting at a lower weight. He also moved up to 205 and beat Griffin (a former 205 champ). Although he was no longer holding a belt Hendo beat Fedor.

What would Jones do to Silva on the ground? Let’s see, Belfort, who has fewer submission wins than Silva almost beat Jones with an armbar. [/quote]

  1. There is no reason why a Silva/Jones fight wouldn’t be just as big money wise as a Silva/GSP fight. In fact, there’s been so much hype about Jones and so little about GSP because he’s been out of action I would think that a Silva/Jones fight would be even bigger! Yet, Silva talks about fighting GSP and does not want to fight Jones. And we both know why.

  2. Yes, occasionally someone does move up in boxing and other combat sports and wins. But that is the EXCEPTION not the rule. About 80% - 90% of the time the man who moves up loses. Don’t take my word for it read some sports combat history. Also, it’s interesting that they don’t separate fighters (of any combat sport) by anything other than weight, that’s how important a natural weight advantage is.

  3. True Silva beat Forest Griffin…but so did Tito, enough said.

  4. Yes, Belfort had Jones in trouble for about :30 and almost beat him. But Sonnen had Silva in trouble for over 22 minutes straight and almost beat him. What are we to conclude from each of these fights? That the two men are human, and vulnerable so what?

I wonder how many pages we can talk about the obvious?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

Have no doubts Anderson would destroy GSP in a fight.

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I agree, just as Bones Jones would destroy Anderson Silva. In fact, we’re not saying much are we? A heavier fighter whose skills are even close will usually beat a smaller man. Anderson Silva would be foolish to fight Jones (and he says he wants no part of him). Just as GSP would be foolish to fight Silva.

Now let’s talk about something else.[/quote]

Jones would destroy Silva? Based on your reasons it doesn’t appear so as Silva is probably not that lighter than Jones (Silva has fought at 205 before). And the gap in skills is not that small. [/quote]

Why do you think Silva is talking a GSP fight instead of a Bones Jones fight? And when asked about a fight with Jones he shook his head back and forth with a look on his face that said “no way man I’m not stupid.”

He knows and from what I’ve seen he’s not a dumb guy. And being a great fighter I respect his opinion over yours.[/quote]

Really? You base what you think he thinks, on a look? And even if Silva doesn’t think he can win, or that it would be hard for him to win, that’s different than him believing, or someone else saying, he would get destroyed. That’s my point. He might not win but he won’t get destroyed. He would, in all likelihood, do better than Belfort or Machida.

Maybe he wants GSP because it would be not only the easier fight but the fight that would make more money. He would be stupid, as his look suggested to you, to go for the harder and less lucrative fight.

Jones would be the tougher fight, on paper, but to believe that Silva would get destroyed or that he is afraid is silly after all we know about him. Sonnen 2 was supposed to be a tough fight. He was even, according to many, going to beat Silva. He had the tools and skill set that presented Silva with the toughest match-up of his career (on paper). We all know how it turned out to be the exact opposite. [/quote]

  1. Anderson Silva does not want to fight Bones Jones. You suggested that it is because of money, however a Silva/Jones fight would be just as big gate wise each has dispensed with their opponents in their own weight class. So the only other reason is that he knows he would lose…and he would. And like anyone he’d rather make a lot of money and win than make a lot of money and lose. It’s not a matter of being afraid it’s a matter of being smart. Now give me that long list of fighters (in any combat sport) who moved up a weight class and beat the champion. Uh huh…

  2. Comparing Sonnen to Jones is silly. Jones ground game is light years ahead of Sonnen’s. While Sonnen is very tough on the ground he is right out of the 90’s with his ground and pound incredibly tough but also very predictable. And he still managed to beat up Silva for 4 1/2 rounds. What would Bones do to Silva on the ground with his greater size and better skill set? Horrible, horrible things and Silva knows that.

And this is a pointless conversation to have. It should all be very apparent by now. There will never be a Silva/Jones fight because Silva doesn’t want one. But there might be a Silva/GSP fight because Silva wants one. Does GSP? I have no idea, but he shouldn’t want one for the reasons that I’ve stated previously.[/quote]

The GSP fight will be more money. That should be an obvious fact. And I’m sure that Silva would fight Jones for the right price. Also, if you watch boxing then someone moving up and winning a title is not unheard of. Silva himself started out fighting at a lower weight. He also moved up to 205 and beat Griffin (a former 205 champ). Although he was no longer holding a belt Hendo beat Fedor.

What would Jones do to Silva on the ground? Let’s see, Belfort, who has fewer submission wins than Silva almost beat Jones with an armbar. [/quote]

  1. There is no reason why a Silva/Jones fight wouldn’t be just as big money wise as a Silva/GSP fight. In fact, there’s been so much hype about Jones and so little about GSP because he’s been out of action I would think that a Silva/Jones fight would be even bigger! Yet, Silva talks about fighting GSP and does not want to fight Jones. And we both know why.

  2. Yes, occasionally someone does move up in boxing and other combat sports and wins. But that is the EXCEPTION not the rule. About 80% - 90% of the time the man who moves up loses. Don’t take my word for it read some sports combat history. Also, it’s interesting that they don’t separate fighters (of any combat sport) by anything other than weight, that’s how important a natural weight advantage is.

  3. True Silva beat Forest Griffin…but so did Tito, enough said.

  4. Yes, Belfort had Jones in trouble for about :30 and almost beat him. But Sonnen had Silva in trouble for over 22 minutes straight and almost beat him. What are we to conclude from each of these fights? That the two men are human, and vulnerable so what?

I wonder how many pages we can talk about the obvious?

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When Forrest lost that fight to Tito, Chuck was the man and Tito had a draw with Rasahad so…

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Zeb, in a catchweight fight, GSP and Silva will be physically very evenly matched.

On the other hand, Jones peobably wouldn’t cut a lot (more) if he and Silva faced each other, if he’d cut at all. But even then, he’s at a stylistic advantage. He beats Silva from the outside, who’s great at countering sloppy guys with a reach more or less his own.
Apart from his general genius, Silva DOES have a big physical disadvantage against Jones, while Bonnar and Griffin were ideal for him with their wild style.

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GSP is 5’10" walks around at around 185lbs.
Silva is 6’2" walks around at around 215lbs.
Jon Jones is 6’4" walks around at 226lbs.

What Georges said about the problem with a 178lb catchweight fight is true. On fight night he’ll weigh 185 and Silva will weigh 205+. Silva is closer to Jones’ size than GSP’s. And Silva’s fought a guy who walks around at higher than 225lbs- Chael Sonnen.

Jones is the favourite if he and Silva fight. He’s a better wrestler than Chael, who was able to take Silva down (even if you ignore the first fight, he did it again in the second). And unlike Chael, he can do damage once he’s on top. Jon Jones probably has the most vicious ground and pound in MMA right now.

There’s a reason Silva doesn’t want to fight Jones, and it’s the same reason GSP doesn’t want to fight Silva. He knows he’ll have a good chance of losing. He can make a lot of money fighting Jones, but he’ll lose a lot as well when his image of invincibility is gone.

That’s why most serious fans want to see Silva vs. Jones over Silva vs. GSP. But I think Silva-GSP will be more popular overall, because no one brings in casual fans like GSP.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Good good Zeb, for the billionth time, SILVA SLIPPED. He was literally toying with Sonnen up to that point. Then, in their second fight, after he gained his composure, he stuffed every takedown attempt Sonnen tried. Sonnen just plain got lucky in their first fight. That’s it. Jones is taller, but their walking around weight is about the same. I personally think Silva destroys Jones. [/quote]

I think people continually overlook Anderson’s rib injury during that first Sonnen fight (and the fact that Sonnen was roiding). He said he had a rib injury, you could clearly see him pointing to his ribs talking to his corner at one point in between rounds, and Dana White even admitted a doctor told anderson not to fight due the injury, but he did anyway.

I dont know if any of you have ever had a rib injury, but how hard do you think it would be to rotate for arm bars and sweeps? I imagine pretty painful. We saw what happened to Sonnen when he fought an uninjured Silva…didnt make it out of 2 rounds.

Jones does not typically go into a fight to wrestle, he stays on the feet quite often. He did it against dangerous strikers in Rampage, Belfort, and Machida, he will stand with Anderson. Anderson will destroy Jones on the feet if the fight stays there for any significant period of time.

Another thing to consider is Jones is strongest from the clinch, and thats where he initiates most of his take downs. Anderson is also extremely strong in the clinch, and to say its a guarantee that Jones would be able to manhandle him there is severely discrediting anderson’s skills.

Anderson also utilizes a ton of lateral movement and has very fast foot work, Sonnen had some success really chasing Anderson down but Jones never does this, he plods forward slowly and carefully, stalking. IMO this could make it pretty difficult for Jones to initiate any kind of exchanges with anderson that would be favorable for him.

IMO its the toughest fight between WW, MW, and LHW for Anderson, but one that he still has a good shot at winning. I would even argue he should be a slight favorite. To trivialize everything else other than the size difference is ridiculous.

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[quote]Khaine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
3. If you are claiming that Sonnen’s wrestling and ground game is superior to Jones in that area you are too far gone for me to change your mind on a message board. I would only ask you to take another look at both fighters in their last dozen fights or so. Jones is on another planet skill wise as compared to Sonnen.[/quote]

This. I mean, Sonnen couldn’t take down Bisping. Jones takes down everybody. At will. In the next weight class. And let’s not even talk about the damage from top control. Not maintaining top control, but causing actual damage.

Their skill sets are miles apart. And that’s not even considering Jones’ uniqe physical attributes.[/quote]

I think Rampage and Rashad would debate that Jones takes “everybody” down at will.

And Sonnen did take Bisping down. Maybe not “at will” but he sure as hell did.

You say that like Bispsing doesnt have good TDD, which he certainly does.

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lol @ GSP weighing 185 lbs. Years ago maybe.

Have you actually seen him fight? He’s rather beefy these days. And it’s perfectly distributed muscle with no regard for the beachy biceps shit, while having minimal bodyfat.

Silva is the type that loves fighting but hates to workout.

GSP does all kinds of crazy extra stuff: gymnastics, weights, swimming etc.
And it shows.

Figure in ‘lean mass’ and Silva might be skinnier then GSP if they meet in a year- that’s a big ‘if’ of course.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
I don’t know call me weird I think “power” has become hyperbole in MMA.

I mean is it really all that impressive that guys weighing near 180lbs fighting in 4oz gloves can drop someone with one punch to the chin? I’ve seen untrained guys do that in clubs all the time.[/quote]

Obviously its easier to KO with smaller gloves, that doesnt detract from the power of some of these guys.

Theres a reason certain guys are considered “knock out artists” and others, like Bisping and Diaz are considered “pillow punchers.” These guys dont win fights with a single punch, they win fights with overwhelming volume, landing dozens if not hundreds of punches in a fight. Guys like Anderson Silva and Melvin Guillard constantly hold the threat of landing that fight ending punch at any time, no matter how good your chin is. Obvious differences in power.
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Dont get me wrong, I’m not saying kendricks doesnt have legitimate power

but at some point we also have to consider that like I said before, it’s 4oz gloves with guys who walk in the cage at anywhere between 180-200lbs rehydrated, you cop someone on the chin with your bodyweight into the punch, its a pretty good chance they are going down.

I mean how many fighters have we heard joe rogaine and goldberg blather on about their “power”, it’s almost every 2nd fighter you see. The smaller gloves make a huge difference in velocity and there isnt a huge surface area for the energy to dissipate over like there is with 8oz or 10oz gloves.

At the end of the day, I don’t think punching power alone makes him a threat to GSP, so thats why I find people saying he’s ready gor GSP bizarre. Someone else already said it I think, but the only real reason to watch that fight is wondering if kendricks wins by punchers chance at the start of each round.

Otherwise, GSP is leaps and bounds ahead of him in every aspect, striking, wrestling, JJ etc.
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I largely agree with you. While i do think there are some legitimate UFC fighters that have great power in their strikes (guys like Belfort who seem to only need to clip someone to drop 'em) guys like Rogan and Goldie often blow things out of proportion with their commentating. I personally dont like either of them for that reason.

And who at WW is truly “ready” for GSP? to me, saying someone is ready for GSP would imply that they have at least 50/50 chance of winning. Hendricks does not. For me the interest is just as you said, to see if Hendricks can pull off a Matt Serra.

I had great hopes for Ellenberger, he seemed like the type of dude that is tailor made to stop GSP, but im beginning to think he is too inexperienced/not intelligent enough to ever take the crown as long as GSP has it.

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[quote]DeadKong wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

  1. No one…NO ONE allows their opponent to beat the shit out of them for 4 1/2 rounds because they’re “toying with them.” Sorry that doesn’t wash. And I know you are far too smart to believe that Anderson Silva allowed himself to be punched, slapped, elbowed and generally beaten up for about 22 minutes straight just for shits and giggles.

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Remember that Silva had slightly injured his rib training for the first Sonnen fight, and the doctors recommended he pull out. Also, there was some controversy about Sonnen’s testosterone levels, I although I forget what was determined in that case.

In his Bonnar fight, he was literally waving to his cornerman while being pushed up against the cage to indicate he wasn’t in bad shape, shortly before landing a devastating knee to the plexus.[/quote]

The controversy was that Sonnen got popped for PED use and was subsequently banned for a while. Combine that with a rib injury bad enough that doctors told him not to fight, i’d say you have a pretty good argument for a fluke performance on Sonnen’s part (even though he still lost)

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^GSP says he is 185ish on a regular day. The highest anyone close to him has said he weighs reguarly is 190lbs.

No shit he’s gotten bigger dumbass, but he gave the 185 figure right after his fight with Condit. And he hasn’t gotten that much bigger than when he first won the title.

Of course there a chance he maybe understating his weight, but at the end of the day, we can trust the guy himself, or someone on the internet posting from Germany who has an inkling.

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I get it, you’re a tough dude, sorry I offended you over the internet, don’t hurt me please!

Fighters talk all kinds of nonsense all the time, for all kinds of reasons.
George can proclaim he’s only doing it for ‘zee abzz facteur’ still: versus Condit he was the biggest GSP he’s ever been. But: you don’t get so beefy without a good plan and real motivation.
In my fighting life, I’d been a rich man for every penny I’d get everytime a fighter downplayed his lifting to me.

One year ago Tristar coach Firas Zahabi said GSP regularly weighs in at 195 lbs.
It probably helped being sidelined with the knee and all, but it is totally normal for a fighter to go up in weight a bit over the years, especially if he’s doing all kinds of extra workouts.
That’s not outrageous btw, this brazilian guy, Gleison T. cuts from 200lbs to lightweight.

Minus the bodyfat there won’t be much of a difference against Silva, who’ll probably end up doing very little in his off months.
The Spider will still win in all probability, and it won’t be because of 2-4 lbs mass difference.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I get it, you’re a tough dude, sorry I offended you over the internet, don’t hurt me please! [/quote]

lol it ain’t that serious… you’re just talking out of your ass and I noticed.

Not sure what your point is here, or if this is even relevant. I don’t disagree that he does resistance training-- there’s video evidence of it even in his preparation for Condit. I hope you know that strength training doesn’t only involve barbell and dumbbells…

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One year ago Tristar coach Firas Zahabi said GSP regularly weighs in at 195 lbs.
It probably helped being sidelined with the knee and all, but it is totally normal for a fighter to go up in weight a bit over the years, especially if he’s doing all kinds of extra workouts.
That’s not outrageous btw, this brazilian guy, Gleison T. cuts from 200lbs to lightweight.[/quote]

Bullshit…here’s something from a little over a year ago with Firas pretty much saying the opposite of what you said:

George was around 183-184 in camp, not 195. And you bring up lightweights that cut from higher weights, well in that same interview Firas is saying GSP could cut down to LW if he really wanted to.

And while you can speculate on whether Anderson is really that much bigger than GSP or not, here someone who’s seen them both in person, especially Silva, and he says GSP would be dumb to take the fight because of the size:

But again, let’s ignore the fighters and all of these people who are actually around them, and trust the guy on the internet from Germany–but he’s seen a lot of pics of “beefy” GSP!!

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I honestly just think Silva-Jones is a better fight, because Silva has a better chance of beating Jones than GSP does of beating Silva.

Jones has shown he can be susceptible to submission on the ground, and Lyoto caught him standing up in the first round. I think Anderson has a chance to make him pay when he does some wild move like he’s prone to do.

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http://mmashare.mmavideoforum.com/serious-mma-discussion-f1/georges-is-walking-around-at-194lbs-a-week-before--t39856.html#p699126

Firas says A, later B, Soares says this and Rashad thinks the contrary.
Dude, in the end, everybody is just talking crap on the internet, be it from Canada or Germany.

And: GSP won’t drop to lightweight just as Silva won’t drop to 170 lbs.
-although you did get some lulz out of me for suggesting that.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
http://mmashare.mmavideoforum.com/serious-mma-discussion-f1/georges-is-walking-around-at-194lbs-a-week-before--t39856.html#p699126

Firas says A, later B, Soares says this and Rashad thinks the contrary.
Dude, in the end, everybody is just talking crap on the internet, be it from Canada or Germany.

And: GSP won’t drop to lightweight just as Silva won’t drop to 170 lbs.
-although you did get some lulz out of me for suggesting that.

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different camp, different story. there’s not inconsistency there and you haven’t proven anything

you got some lulz out of me for poor reading comprehension. I didn’t suggest he could go to LW, his **coach did. (if English is not your first language and that’s why my mistake, of course)