Groundbreaking Laziness. Pill for Endurance

Hmm, as I read my morning NY Times I come across this article:

Groundbreaking or pathetic?

Pathetic!

pathetic. Groudbreakingly pathetic.

^^ agreed. People would use this as a crouch. Taking their exercise medicine as they sit on their couch eating donuts.

on the other hand it would be great for severly injured bodybuilders/athletes who can’t get their normal workouts.

[quote]Evil1 wrote:
on the other hand it would be great for severly injured bodybuilders/athletes who can’t get their normal workouts. [/quote]

TRUE. But we both know that the people that abuse the pill will out number the people using the pill constructively by a hundred fold…

as in the other thread that I posted in

steroids are illegal but this would be fine?

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
as in the other thread that I posted in

steroids are illegal but this would be fine?[/quote]

well, if you read the article in full it states that it would be used for medical purposes, and athletes would probably not be able to use it, or get tested for it.

[quote]nycsoccax wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
as in the other thread that I posted in

steroids are illegal but this would be fine?

well, if you read the article in full it states that it would be used for medical purposes, and athletes would probably not be able to use it, or get tested for it.[/quote]

“Dr. Richard N. Bergman, an expert on obesity and diabetes at the University of Southern California, said the drugs might prove to have serious side effects but, if safe, could become widely used. �??It is possible that the couch potato segment of the population might find this to be a good regimen, and of course that is a large number of people.�??”

please, with the money to be made, you really think a pill like that would only remain in the medical community for serious health issues?

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
nycsoccax wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
as in the other thread that I posted in

steroids are illegal but this would be fine?

well, if you read the article in full it states that it would be used for medical purposes, and athletes would probably not be able to use it, or get tested for it.

“Dr. Richard N. Bergman, an expert on obesity and diabetes at the University of Southern California, said the drugs might prove to have serious side effects but, if safe, could become widely used. �??It is possible that the couch potato segment of the population might find this to be a good regimen, and of course that is a large number of people.�??”

please, with the money to be made, you really think a pill like that would only remain in the medical community for serious health issues?[/quote]

If it’s not approved by the FDA, probably be very difficult to get your hands on. I assume it could not possibly be an over the counter thing.

If safe, this pill could vastly improve the overall health of the United States and the world. I don’t see what is pathetic about that.

�??This is not just a free lunch,�?? he said. �??It�??s pushing your genome toward a more enhanced genetic tone that impacts metabolism and muscle function. So instead of inheriting a great set-point you are using a drug to move your own genetics to a more activated metabolic state.�??

a quik fix yes, a soloution, definatly not

^^the whole ‘Alli’ craze started the same way. first you could only get it with a prescription and now you can buy off the shelf in a drugstore.
It amazes me that people willingly take a pill that warns of anal seepage when used as directed.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
as in the other thread that I posted in

steroids are illegal but this would be fine?[/quote]

Great point.

From what I remember when I read the article a couple of days ago, I seemed like it increased the ability of people to do exersize (VO2 max and stuff), but never mentioned any health benifits. Does it actually benifit your heart and all the way cardio does?

From what I read both drugs in question actually stimulated the types of skeletal muscle changes normally seen from exercise. One could create a 44% change with no exercise, the other created about a 75% change if you added some moderate exercise.

In essence, exercising is a sort of “precursor” to the changes our bodies undertake in response. For years scientists have been trying to discover exactly how & what message exercise sends to the body in order to cause these overwhelming changes and benefits.

They have long suspected that exercise causes specific substances (or CNS/Non-CNS messages or some combination) to be produced by the body that deliver the message to the muscular systems to improve themselves.

The benefit of these drugs goes without saying. People who are unable to exercise due to catastrophic injury (such as paralysis) usually die from complications that arise from atrophy or a side effect of it.

Astronauts are unable to engage in much useful resistance or aerobic exercise in zero gravity and usually require a year or more to recover from several weeks or months in space. The elderly cannot engage in most impact or heavy weight exercise regimens due to the risk of injury and the inability of the skeletal system to support these efforts.

The judicial use of drugs like this would have untold benefits for those people. It would save thousands of lives every year and will most likely extend your life when you hit 80+.

It also represents a new frontier for AAS. We are talking about steroids with no side effects to the endocrine systems. It could possibly lead the the re-legalization of AAS. This would mean the end of ridiculous prosecution of people using and selling drugs that have never been linked in any substantial way to any loss of life, property, no crime etc.

It may even lead to over the counter body enhancement products that sit on the shelves right next to weight loss products.

All in all this is a good thing. Of course some morons are going to sit on their couch and pop the pill and expect results. We see that now with Slim-Fast couch gobblers and Dexatrim junkie soccer moms. But those people would shove a pickle up their ass and sit on it all day if Dr Phil told them it causes fat loss.

The way it sounds, this won’t help the couch potato at all. You have to exercise to get these drugs to benefit you, so if you take them and still sit around, you may have extra endurance to lift the remote and get up to use the bathroom but outside that it won’t matter. You will still be a lazy, fat couch potato.

There is a reason they neglected to publish any body weight or body fat % composition data from the mice. The compounds won’t make you lose weight by themselves, or gain muscle. These are not the wonder pills they have automatically gotten acclaim to be. There are possible uses for elderly individuals, but the question is, if you are 80 years old and have never picked up a weight/exercised in your life, why are you going to start at age 80? Because your doctor tells you to take some pills that will help you? I highly doubt the patient success rate would be that high for this type of scenario.

I can see it helping with something like an astronaut returning to Earth. Or bodybuilders, of which their industry is most likely to see any sort of impact from these new drugs.

Additionally we have no idea if they will be safe. Messing with your muscle systems like this may be a great way to start cancerous growths in muscle or in off-target tissue, these are small molecules after all, which can mosey their way wherever they want.

[quote]nycsoccax wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
nycsoccax wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
as in the other thread that I posted in

steroids are illegal but this would be fine?

well, if you read the article in full it states that it would be used for medical purposes, and athletes would probably not be able to use it, or get tested for it.

“Dr. Richard N. Bergman, an expert on obesity and diabetes at the University of Southern California, said the drugs might prove to have serious side effects but, if safe, could become widely used. �??It is possible that the couch potato segment of the population might find this to be a good regimen, and of course that is a large number of people.�??”

please, with the money to be made, you really think a pill like that would only remain in the medical community for serious health issues?

If it’s not approved by the FDA, probably be very difficult to get your hands on. I assume it could not possibly be an over the counter thing.

[/quote]

Steroids are a Schedule III controlled substance. No one has any trouble getting them.

If this shit really works, it will be on the street before it hits the stores.

[quote]joburnet wrote:
If safe, this pill could vastly improve the overall health of the United States and the world. I don’t see what is pathetic about that.[/quote]

What’s pathetic is that nothing is learned. People will continue to behave in the same self destructive ways that they always have, and use the pill as an excuse to continue in this same unhealthy lifestyle. A dependency on yet another pharmacuetically engineered quickfix is not the answer, though unfortunately, many will misguidedly see it as such.

DJ

a 44% increase for a completely sedentary mouse doesn’t seem that dramatic.

It’s fascinating - stimulating the adaptive response without the ‘natural’ stimulation of exercise.

I doubt the full range of health benefits can be had in comparison with actually exercising.

Nor will life be any more fun sitting around lazily, being capable of running outside but not actually doing it!

Finally, dramatic changes in mice never seem to transfer with anywhere near the same impact to humans for some reason.