Grindovermatter's Offseason Thread

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:

[quote]Mr. AWEstomy wrote:
found anything that seems to keep your stomach feeling light even with the training drink?[/quote]
well see the thing is im not even sure i want to keep using the training drink anymore (sorry Biotest) so ive been tweaking things without the training drink these last few weeks.

however i will say that CREAM OF RICE, is much lighter on the stomach than oatmeal, this is very logical because there is less protein and fat in a serving of cream of rice compared to oats.[/quote]

Get gluten free oatmeal

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
UPDATE:
Training during this time was mostly an afterthought, If i had failed however, i would of been out of the program, lost about 5,000 dollars tutition money,and have nothing to show for it. [/quote]

Ahhh, life getting in the way of training. : )

You made the right call, glad you focused on the schooling and are set on a good career.

[quote]timmcbride00 wrote:

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
UPDATE:
Training during this time was mostly an afterthought, If i had failed however, i would of been out of the program, lost about 5,000 dollars tutition money,and have nothing to show for it. [/quote]

Ahhh, life getting in the way of training. : )

You made the right call, glad you focused on the schooling and are set on a good career.[/quote]

just for two weeks really, im surprized how much it affected me though,today i was 173.5 lbs, but it wasnt the hard 173 i was when i competed. haha i call the coniditon im in right now fat n flat. Im sure getting back on the right macros and back to the gym will rememdy this pretty fast though!

[quote]timmcbride00 wrote:

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
UPDATE:
Training during this time was mostly an afterthought, If i had failed however, i would of been out of the program, lost about 5,000 dollars tutition money,and have nothing to show for it. [/quote]

Ahhh, life getting in the way of training. : )

You made the right call, glad you focused on the schooling and are set on a good career.[/quote]

I’m sure in a few years I’ll look back fondly on this time of my life when lifting and hitting macros really couldn’t be any easier. School, a sport, and a part time job can get a little hectic from time to time, but college students who say they don’t have time to lift regularly are just poor time managers in my opinion

little update

getting back on track!

hit consistent macros this week and had good training sessions, got some great sleeps and feeling recharged and ready to start seeing some weight gain!

decided to take cals up to about 2800 now, something like 220- 230 protein, 315 carb, 65-70 fat, i will hit those numbers for a week and see how i respond, at this point in the off season id like to see about 1-2 lb gain in bodyweight per month.

actually had a great chest and shoulder sessioon today with a fellow who is training to be a paramedic with me.the workout went like this\

Incline Dumbell press
ramp up in sets of 8 until a real hard 8.- 3 worksets
Decline barbell- explosive- 5x5 with a static weight
banded decline hammer strength 1x25, 1x15, 1x10. Drop set 1x15 drop , 10 more reps
Hex press, manual iso tension, stretch pushup super set–12 normal hex press reps, then a static hold/iso hold tension rep- got the partner to apply pressure for 15 seconds, then straight to stretch pushups till failure

Delts- 8 sets
lateral raises 4x20
rear delt swings- 3x30, then a triple drop set and then finishing with band pull aparts.

the decline banded hammer strength felt awesome—insane squeze at the top for every rep! great workout and my friend who is not a bodybuilder but has been training for performance for years did a great job hanging in there with all the volume.

You get rid of the training drink? Just too much money?

Do you think it’s possible to build muscle while keeping fat at the same level, or even reducing it? In other words, do you subscribe to the religion of bulking up and cutting back down?

What would you recommend to a guy who took a break from training, got a bit on the skinny-fat side and is looking to reduce body fat while getting his old muscle back?

Other than that, keep putting in work.

[quote]Mr. AWEstomy wrote:
You get rid of the training drink? Just too much money?[/quote]
ive been playing around with using it and not using it.

since i have two more bottles plus a half bottle of MAG-10 on hand i decided to use it on my higher volume meadows type workout days (back, legs, chest and shoulders) so three days a week, as it may help facilatate recovery. generally though im trying to redcude volume slightly, just because you cant keep adding more and more for ever though. so after those bottles run out i will assess how important i feel they are vs the amount of money i have on hand at that time to make a final decision.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Do you think it’s possible to build muscle while keeping fat at the same level, or even reducing it? In other words, do you subscribe to the religion of bulking up and cutting back down?

What would you recommend to a guy who took a break from training, got a bit on the skinny-fat side and is looking to reduce body fat while getting his old muscle back?

Other than that, keep putting in work.[/quote]

Ok great question, i thought about this one all morning

YES, i do think its POSSIBLE to gain muscle while maintaining current BF levels or reducing it. I think during my last contest prep, my quads may have grown, slightly.

can you build A LOT of muscle under these conditions? hell no. Is it optimal to gain muscle that way? id say NO.

DO i subscribe to the relgion of bulking and cutting? In a sense yes, but you need certain parameters in place to make sure either does not get out of hand. Since i decided im probably at least two years away from the stage, id probably allow myself to get as heavy as 195 lbs (23 lbs over stage weight) as long as im making great strength and size gains. anymore than this and i know ive gone too far. IN addition to this, i probably wouldnt want to start a prep at that weight unless i was starting 30 weeks out.

as for your last question- I think this would be a very individual thing. ID want to assess the persons current BF and physique condition before answering this. However, generally speaking though my first instinct would probably be to keep calories static (eat the same amount they were before) and make sure they have adequate dietary protein to support muscle growth, and ride that out until changes need to be made. probably the most important thing is to just CHOOSE a goal and stick to until you feel you the need to change things.

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Do you think it’s possible to build muscle while keeping fat at the same level, or even reducing it? In other words, do you subscribe to the religion of bulking up and cutting back down?

What would you recommend to a guy who took a break from training, got a bit on the skinny-fat side and is looking to reduce body fat while getting his old muscle back?

Other than that, keep putting in work.[/quote]

Ok great question, i thought about this one all morning

YES, i do think its POSSIBLE to gain muscle while maintaining current BF levels or reducing it. I think during my last contest prep, my quads may have grown, slightly.

can you build A LOT of muscle under these conditions? hell no. Is it optimal to gain muscle that way? id say NO.

DO i subscribe to the relgion of bulking and cutting? In a sense yes, but you need certain parameters in place to make sure either does not get out of hand. Since i decided im probably at least two years away from the stage, id probably allow myself to get as heavy as 195 lbs (23 lbs over stage weight) as long as im making great strength and size gains. anymore than this and i know ive gone too far. IN addition to this, i probably wouldnt want to start a prep at that weight unless i was starting 30 weeks out.

as for your last question- I think this would be a very individual thing. ID want to assess the persons current BF and physique condition before answering this. However, generally speaking though my first instinct would probably be to keep calories static (eat the same amount they were before) and make sure they have adequate dietary protein to support muscle growth, and ride that out until changes need to be made. probably the most important thing is to just CHOOSE a goal and stick to until you feel you the need to change things.[/quote]

Good post. I’m 12 weeks away from starting a 20 week contest prep, and am trying to be sensible in how I use these remaining weeks of “improvement season.” I’m sitting at 187 lbs at the moment, and realistically will probably be at about 170 on stage. Part of me wants to try to really be a little bit aggressive with my macros and try to get my carb and fat ceilings as high as possible before starting prep, but I also don’t want to put on unnecessary fat gain in the next 12 weeks. After all, how much lbm am I really going to build in that short of a time? Do you have any thoughts on this Grind?

[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Do you think it’s possible to build muscle while keeping fat at the same level, or even reducing it? In other words, do you subscribe to the religion of bulking up and cutting back down?

What would you recommend to a guy who took a break from training, got a bit on the skinny-fat side and is looking to reduce body fat while getting his old muscle back?

Other than that, keep putting in work.[/quote]

Ok great question, i thought about this one all morning

YES, i do think its POSSIBLE to gain muscle while maintaining current BF levels or reducing it. I think during my last contest prep, my quads may have grown, slightly.

can you build A LOT of muscle under these conditions? hell no. Is it optimal to gain muscle that way? id say NO.

DO i subscribe to the relgion of bulking and cutting? In a sense yes, but you need certain parameters in place to make sure either does not get out of hand. Since i decided im probably at least two years away from the stage, id probably allow myself to get as heavy as 195 lbs (23 lbs over stage weight) as long as im making great strength and size gains. anymore than this and i know ive gone too far. IN addition to this, i probably wouldnt want to start a prep at that weight unless i was starting 30 weeks out.

as for your last question- I think this would be a very individual thing. ID want to assess the persons current BF and physique condition before answering this. However, generally speaking though my first instinct would probably be to keep calories static (eat the same amount they were before) and make sure they have adequate dietary protein to support muscle growth, and ride that out until changes need to be made. probably the most important thing is to just CHOOSE a goal and stick to until you feel you the need to change things.[/quote]

Good post. I’m 12 weeks away from starting a 20 week contest prep, and am trying to be sensible in how I use these remaining weeks of “improvement season.” I’m sitting at 187 lbs at the moment, and realistically will probably be at about 170 on stage. Part of me wants to try to really be a little bit aggressive with my macros and try to get my carb and fat ceilings as high as possible before starting prep, but I also don’t want to put on unnecessary fat gain in the next 12 weeks. After all, how much lbm am I really going to build in that short of a time? Do you have any thoughts on this Grind?
[/quote]

Sure,

What I’d be doing is be monitoring my weight consistently and make damn sure that I don’t go over 190 lbs and be damn sure 170 will get me lean enough… 17 lbs in 20 weeks Sounds perfect to me, you want to be ready 2 weeks out. So really that puts you at about 1 lb a week average weight loss. As for improving your metabolic capacity , that is good. But it is secondary to the other factors I mentioned.

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:

[quote]pwolves17 wrote:

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Do you think it’s possible to build muscle while keeping fat at the same level, or even reducing it? In other words, do you subscribe to the religion of bulking up and cutting back down?

What would you recommend to a guy who took a break from training, got a bit on the skinny-fat side and is looking to reduce body fat while getting his old muscle back?

Other than that, keep putting in work.[/quote]

Ok great question, i thought about this one all morning

YES, i do think its POSSIBLE to gain muscle while maintaining current BF levels or reducing it. I think during my last contest prep, my quads may have grown, slightly.

can you build A LOT of muscle under these conditions? hell no. Is it optimal to gain muscle that way? id say NO.

DO i subscribe to the relgion of bulking and cutting? In a sense yes, but you need certain parameters in place to make sure either does not get out of hand. Since i decided im probably at least two years away from the stage, id probably allow myself to get as heavy as 195 lbs (23 lbs over stage weight) as long as im making great strength and size gains. anymore than this and i know ive gone too far. IN addition to this, i probably wouldnt want to start a prep at that weight unless i was starting 30 weeks out.

as for your last question- I think this would be a very individual thing. ID want to assess the persons current BF and physique condition before answering this. However, generally speaking though my first instinct would probably be to keep calories static (eat the same amount they were before) and make sure they have adequate dietary protein to support muscle growth, and ride that out until changes need to be made. probably the most important thing is to just CHOOSE a goal and stick to until you feel you the need to change things.[/quote]

Good post. I’m 12 weeks away from starting a 20 week contest prep, and am trying to be sensible in how I use these remaining weeks of “improvement season.” I’m sitting at 187 lbs at the moment, and realistically will probably be at about 170 on stage. Part of me wants to try to really be a little bit aggressive with my macros and try to get my carb and fat ceilings as high as possible before starting prep, but I also don’t want to put on unnecessary fat gain in the next 12 weeks. After all, how much lbm am I really going to build in that short of a time? Do you have any thoughts on this Grind?
[/quote]

Sure,

What I’d be doing is be monitoring my weight consistently and make damn sure that I don’t go over 190 lbs and be damn sure 170 will get me lean enough… 17 lbs in 20 weeks Sounds perfect to me, you want to be ready 2 weeks out. So really that puts you at about 1 lb a week average weight loss. As for improving your metabolic capacity , that is good. But it is secondary to the other factors I mentioned.
[/quote]

Thanks man! Yep, 190 has been the number I’ve had in mind all offseason as my “cap.” I’m confident that 170 will be about right, as when I competed last fall i was right at 170 and not quite lean enough. I’ve had a very productive offseason, so I think a little better conditioning with added size should put me right around 170. not that stage weight matters, just a good reference point as far as staying within striking distance of stage leanness

Update

With the holiday season over I’ve begun working on the ambulance which means dealing with a nasty rotating shift schedule. So far I’ve been handling it well though!

Well I had been getting frustrated with progress lately so I decided to hire someone to help this off season. The guys name is Eric w Scott. He is an ifpa pro . He definitely has a unique training style which involves shorter workouts thAt typically incorporate giant sets. He advised me to raise macros up to 250 pro, 380 to 400 carb and 65 to 70 fat.

I did the outer lat /, serratus workout this morning and my last feel like they went thru some serious trauma.

Here is a picture of Eric Iwill attach to this post. I think he will be a good coach because he is about the same height as me and has a similar frame

I got a shock with that picture, at first I thought it was you!

What are you weighing now?

[quote]lemony2j wrote:
I got a shock with that picture, at first I thought it was you!

What are you weighing now?[/quote]
About 178.5, but I’m sure I’ll go over 180 real fast with the new macros

How are you doing your giant set training?

Lol I was also very confused for a second thinking I didn’t recognize you at all in a hat! Was also going to give you props if that was your girl taking the picture…

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
How are you doing your giant set training?[/quote]
Not sure if I’m supposed to post the workouts but the giant set yesterday was
4 rounds of
Straight arm pulldowns x 20
Lat pulldowns 10- 12
Lat shrugs 12,- 15

All with 5 second eccentrics

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
How are you doing your giant set training?[/quote]
Not sure if I’m supposed to post the workouts but the giant set yesterday was
4 rounds of
Straight arm pulldowns x 20
Lat pulldowns 10- 12
Lat shrugs 12,- 15

All with 5 second eccentrics[/quote]

What does your weekly split look like? Are you using any intra workout or post workout carb and amino drinks, or does Eric not really care for those? I have seen him on Facebook over the years. Dude has a pretty nice structure!

[quote]Mr. AWEstomy wrote:

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
How are you doing your giant set training?[/quote]
Not sure if I’m supposed to post the workouts but the giant set yesterday was
4 rounds of
Straight arm pulldowns x 20
Lat pulldowns 10- 12
Lat shrugs 12,- 15

All with 5 second eccentrics[/quote]

What does your weekly split look like? Are you using any intra workout or post workout carb and amino drinks, or does Eric not really care for those? I have seen him on Facebook over the years. Dude has a pretty nice structure![/quote]

Day 1 chest
Day 2 lats
Day 3 quads and calves
Day 4 arms
Day 5 hams and calves
Day 6 chest and back
Day 7 calves…haha hr calf workout

We haven’t talked much about diet other Than the macros he gave me

All he told me was to take simple sugars pwo with whey…today I had corn pops with almond milk and whey.

I’ve kept MAG-10 out of the equation recently but may add it back In at some point