Very sad, one of the all-time Canadian greats, at least early in his career.
Also, with all the speculation about the stuff that he was on, we also can’t forget just how huge this man was for many, many years. Self-admitted he weighed 412 lbs at his peak and was probably in the upper 300s for 15+ years. Couple that with some of the nasty rumours about his diet that used to circulate, and you’ve got an unfortunate recipe for organ failure.
I live in his hometown Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada. He was a big man. From what I heard he like to party and eat like shit. To have to consume that many calories I’d be watching my diet. He did a guest appearance at one of my nutrition stores one time and I had to go out and buy some fans to blow on him, in the winter, while he was sitting, lol… Had lots of friends and helped a lot of people.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
I don’t need steroids to outlift all the dumbasses on it at my gym. Woot woot[/quote]
Nobody gives a shit.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
I don’t need steroids to outlift all the dumbasses on it at my gym. Woot woot[/quote]
Most people dont at Curves or Planet Fitness.
People (young guys) mistake physical masculinity with manliness. They think that juicing will turn them into men. But if you aren?t a man without them, you won?t be a man with them. And in truth, many end up less of one.
Truth^ Ive known guys to be alot stronger and bigger than guys who juice and look out of proportion. If your have the mentality you are lucky.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy? [/quote]
Disclaimer: this really isn’t about PEDs in general, nor people who choose to use.
lol. No, because compensating for insecurity about your masculinity is un-masculine. Like buying a big truck and jacking it up for the sole purpose of impressing others. And secondly, I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy? [/quote]
Disclaimer: this really isn’t about PEDs in general, nor people who choose to use.
lol. No, because compensating for insecurity about your masculinity is un-masculine. Like buying a big truck and jacking it up for the sole purpose of impressing others. And secondly, I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
Well fuck
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy? [/quote]
Disclaimer: this really isn’t about PEDs in general, nor people who choose to use.
lol. No, because compensating for insecurity about your masculinity is un-masculine. Like buying a big truck and jacking it up for the sole purpose of impressing others. And secondly, I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
Well fuck
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The man doesnt speak often, but when he does I listen. Always well said Baubs.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy? [/quote]
Disclaimer: this really isn’t about PEDs in general, nor people who choose to use.
lol. No, because compensating for insecurity about your masculinity is un-masculine. Like buying a big truck and jacking it up for the sole purpose of impressing others. And secondly, I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
ignorance
i respect your choice to not use aas but how can you say it’s cheating in parts of life? If anything, they make you work harder. They are tools, you can choose to use them in the right way and benefit, or don’t, it’s your fucking choice, your body. Not everyone that uses gear has “shallow short sighted goals”. Don’t know where the hell you came up with that assumption.
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy? [/quote]
Disclaimer: this really isn’t about PEDs in general, nor people who choose to use.
lol. No, because compensating for insecurity about your masculinity is un-masculine. Like buying a big truck and jacking it up for the sole purpose of impressing others. And secondly, I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
ignorance
i respect your choice to not use aas but how can you say it’s cheating in parts of life? If anything, they make you work harder. They are tools, you can choose to use them in the right way and benefit, or don’t, it’s your fucking choice, your body. Not everyone that uses gear has “shallow short sighted goals”. Don’t know where the hell you came up with that assumption.
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LOL. You didn’t read the post at all. Roid rage?
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy? [/quote]
Disclaimer: this really isn’t about PEDs in general, nor people who choose to use.
lol. No, because compensating for insecurity about your masculinity is un-masculine. Like buying a big truck and jacking it up for the sole purpose of impressing others. And secondly, I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
Well fuck
[/quote]
Only if those motivations describe you, which I doubt. Specifically if you read the rest of my post that wasn’t quoted, I was talking about the young kids that start as a method of avoiding the real work. I’ve read your log, and you certainly don’t qualify as wanting to avoid putting in the work. I’m referring to the teenage kid bragging about taking so much his pee turned green.
This is about motivation and attitude, not the act of using. There are plenty of motivations and reasons for taking them that don’t belong to this category. Again, if you aren’t a man without them, you won’t be one with them.
Heck, I’m getting to the point I can’t train as hard or as often as I want to and will probably get on at least some TRT at some point.
There is also nothing wrong with buying or building a big truck either. The problem is douchebag with the attitude that thinks riding around in a big truck makes him a man. And some people could avoid that attitude by not getting the truck.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy? [/quote]
Disclaimer: this really isn’t about PEDs in general, nor people who choose to use.
lol. No, because compensating for insecurity about your masculinity is un-masculine. Like buying a big truck and jacking it up for the sole purpose of impressing others. And secondly, I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
Well fuck
[/quote]
Only if those motivations describe you, which I doubt. Specifically if you read the rest of my post that wasn’t quoted, I was talking about the young kids that start as a method of avoiding the real work. I’ve read your log, and you certainly don’t qualify as wanting to avoid putting in the work. I’m referring to the teenage kid bragging about taking so much his pee turned green.
This is about motivation and attitude, not the act of using. There are plenty of motivations and reasons for taking them that don’t belong to this category. Again, if you aren’t a man without them, you won’t be one with them.
Heck, I’m getting to the point I can’t train as hard or as often as I want to and will probably get on at least some TRT at some point.
There is also nothing wrong with buying or building a big truck either. The problem is douchebag with the attitude that thinks riding around in a big truck makes him a man. And some people could avoid that attitude by not getting the truck.[/quote]
I knew exactly what you meant bro and agree with you. I was just busting your balls and making fun of myself at the same time.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy? [/quote]
Disclaimer: this really isn’t about PEDs in general, nor people who choose to use.
lol. No, because compensating for insecurity about your masculinity is un-masculine. Like buying a big truck and jacking it up for the sole purpose of impressing others. And secondly, I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
Well fuck
[/quote]
Only if those motivations describe you, which I doubt. Specifically if you read the rest of my post that wasn’t quoted, I was talking about the young kids that start as a method of avoiding the real work. I’ve read your log, and you certainly don’t qualify as wanting to avoid putting in the work. I’m referring to the teenage kid bragging about taking so much his pee turned green.
This is about motivation and attitude, not the act of using. There are plenty of motivations and reasons for taking them that don’t belong to this category. Again, if you aren’t a man without them, you won’t be one with them.
Heck, I’m getting to the point I can’t train as hard or as often as I want to and will probably get on at least some TRT at some point.
There is also nothing wrong with buying or building a big truck either. The problem is douchebag with the attitude that thinks riding around in a big truck makes him a man. And some people could avoid that attitude by not getting the truck.[/quote]
I knew exactly what you meant bro and agree with you. I was just busting your balls and making fun of myself at the same time.
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Good, I didn’t want to have to fight you. (kick you in the knee and run like hell)
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And in truth, many end up less of one.[/quote]
Because of the ED and testicular atrophy? [/quote]
Disclaimer: this really isn’t about PEDs in general, nor people who choose to use.
lol. No, because compensating for insecurity about your masculinity is un-masculine. Like buying a big truck and jacking it up for the sole purpose of impressing others. And secondly, I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
ignorance
i respect your choice to not use aas but how can you say it’s cheating in parts of life? If anything, they make you work harder. They are tools, you can choose to use them in the right way and benefit, or don’t, it’s your fucking choice, your body. Not everyone that uses gear has “shallow short sighted goals”. Don’t know where the hell you came up with that assumption.
[/quote]
LOL. You didn’t read the post at all. Roid rage?[/quote]
oh yeah bro you got me, totally raging out, guess i took your post the wrong way? time to go punch some holes in my wall RAGE!!!
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
Hmm. I’ve always felt pretty much the opposite. If someone is going to take steroids to get stronger than me, then they deserve to be stronger than me, because they are willing to do something in their training that I am not willing to do. I saw it as more of a sacrifice than as cheating lol. Not taking steroids is a lot easier than taking them I think.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
Hmm. I’ve always felt pretty much the opposite. If someone is going to take steroids to get stronger than me, then they deserve to be stronger than me, because they are willing to do something in their training that I am not willing to do. I saw it as more of a sacrifice than as cheating lol. Not taking steroids is a lot easier than taking them I think.[/quote]
Sometimes cheating at a sport is harder than playing fair. A card cheat might spend a huge amount of time and work on practicing a slight of hand in order to cheat at the game. Is a card cheat (who works really hard at cheating) more deserving of winning than the honest guy who didn’t?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I see a lot of use (and I think many users do too) as cheating. It can be cheating at actually sporting events or cheating in parts of your life. Attempting to short circuit the hard work and benefits of training for shallow short sighted goals.
Or more critically using for the purpose of out doing the other guy. If you are taking drugs in order to gain a relative advantage over someone else you are essentially attempting to cheat at your life.
All decidedly un-manly.[/quote]
Hmm. I’ve always felt pretty much the opposite. If someone is going to take steroids to get stronger than me, then they deserve to be stronger than me, because they are willing to do something in their training that I am not willing to do. I saw it as more of a sacrifice than as cheating lol. Not taking steroids is a lot easier than taking them I think.[/quote]
Sometimes cheating at a sport is harder than playing fair. A card cheat might spend a huge amount of time and work on practicing a slight of hand in order to cheat at the game. Is a card cheat (who works really hard at cheating) more deserving of winning than the honest guy who didn’t?[/quote]
No, but for whatever reason steroids, to me, aren’t analogous to that. I just think they’re a choice not a cheat.
If like I posted earlier, a guy has been training for 10yrs, has gotten to a solid 230lbs, has a 1600lb total, but now has been stuck for over a year. He’s hit his genetic limits, at this point not alot of gear is needed to break past that point, and begin making progress again. This is how I personaly think gear should be used, it’s a personal thing at that point, and I don’t believe thats cheating, your using the gear as training tool.
From what I’ve seen, atleast with PLing, this is what most of the big strong guys do. The kids I’ve seen, won’t believe this, they want to start off using huge amonts of gear, from the very begining. They want to be where the big strong guys are within 3yrs, this I believe is cheating, and stupid, because your relying on the gear, rather than putting the work, and time in. Very seldom does this short cut ever work, even if these kids were to become strong, it never lasts. My posts relate to PLing, as I have little expierance with BBing, but I imagine it’s the same. 2cents