[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
David, he was totally outweighed by Goliath but he still won
Ants have amazing P4P strength.
Rhinoceros beatle > ants[/quote]
x2
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Sugar Ray Robinson, followed by Joe Louis and Marciano. In MMA I’d say Fedor even though his recent contract choices have been disappointing.[/quote]
x2 big time on Sugar Ray Robinson.
[quote]four60 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Sugar Ray Robinson, followed by Joe Louis and Marciano. In MMA I’d say Fedor even though his recent contract choices have been disappointing.
x2 big time on Sugar Ray Robinson.[/quote]
Technically Irish posted it first, so we’re all just cosigning from there…
MMA - Machida or Anderson Silva
The Spider takes this one in my opinion. Both he, GSP, and Fedor dominate their opposition, at least thus far. The difference I see is that GSP breaks his opponents, if you will, while Anderson decimates them (at least he’s shown he has that ability). The two shitty fights he had since becoming champ were, I think all would agree, mismatches. I love GSP, and I love watching him methodically beat down his opponents’ weaknesses, but IMO he doesn’t have that innate fighting ability Silva has.
Fedor takes second because while he has dominated his division for a while, and often shows the aforementioned ‘innate fighting ability’, he also fights in a much weaker division than either of the two. Even the guys he beat in his Pride days, short of Nog, and perhaps even Crocop, are nowhere to be found today. It comes back to why there was so much interest in him signing with the UFC; people wanted to see how he would do against newer opposition (and Randy :b).
I think this is the longest a type2b thread remained civil…
Boxing, prime Mike Tyson. Under his original style nobody would survive in a boxing match against him. I just can’t give it to someone in a lower weight class because well… How good of a fighter are you if you can’t fight somebody 20lbs heavier.
MMA Silva/Fedor There’s always an argument that they fight scrubs, but this is always after they fight them.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Boxing, prime Mike Tyson. Under his original style nobody would survive in a boxing match against him.
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Joe Frazier would have knocked him out him. Ali would have outboxed him. Dempsey might have killed him.
Just to change it up a little bit…
Kazushi Sakuraba?
He was basically a chubby welterweight, but he fought so many guys that were much larger than him. Granted he lost to a lot of them, but he was certainly fighting far above his weight class most of the time. I imagine if he spent more time fighting guys his size and less time fighting people like Crocop and Arona, we’d be debating his pound for pound status today.
Since he actually went out and fought much bigger guys, I’d say he did pretty well in getting his ass kicked some of the time. I remember when BJ Penn was often talked about as the pound for pound best. Then he fought GSP again and was dominated. Which is why I find the concept a little silly. A lot of fighters are often seen as being pound for pound contenders. But if they try to prove it, fight up and lose, people stop talking about their skills.
That’s why Sakuraba pretty evenly drawing Metzger and Vovchanchyn at the 2000 Open Weight GP is so amazing to me. When GSP and Anderson Silva are competitive against a guy 50 pounds heavier during fight time, I’ll be really impressed. I would say the same about Fedor, except that he does fight bigger guys all the time. Though I believe heavyweight is shallower and the difference between 225 and 275 is much less apparent than the difference between 175 and 225.
Anyway, I’m not seriously suggesting that Sakuraba is the best pound for pound ever. Just that I think the measurement becomes flawed any time a fighter actually steps up and tries to fight bigger people. So the pound for pound ranking is just a hypothetical idea we like to kick around for dominating fighters.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Boxing, prime Mike Tyson. Under his original style nobody would survive in a boxing match against him.
Joe Frazier would have knocked him out him. Ali would have outboxed him. Dempsey might have killed him.
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Irish I respect your boxing knowledge but I gotta disagree. A pre-Don King era Tyson was [in my opinion] the baddest motherfucker to ever lace 'em up. I personally think he woulda killed Frazier and he outweighed Dempsey by an awful lot. Not sure if Ali coulda beaten him either. In my mind Tyson is the saddest story in sports history. The guy coulda been the best ever but all we here about him are police reports and what-ifs.
Foreman would have destroyedd Tyson, Tyson even admitted Ali wold have beat him.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Foreman would have destroyedd Tyson, Tyson even admitted Ali wold have beat him.[/quote]
I was going to mention Foreman.
Tyson was incredibly explosive and hit like a freight train, but he also heavily on his aggressive style and (as you can see by his fight with Douglas) didn’t do too well when his opponent wasn’t afraid of his power and kept coming at him.
If you watch the fight between Foreman and Frazier you’ll see just how powerful Foreman was. Keep in mind that Frazier was coming off a pretty impressive win against Ali in that fight and everyone thought that he would beat or at least take Foreman the distance. Foreman absolutely destroyed him.
I would have loved to see a fight between a prime Tyson and a prime Ali though. Or a prime Marciano and a prime Ali. Those would be some awesome fights.
[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
David, he was totally outweighed by Goliath but he still won
Ants have amazing P4P strength.
Rhinoceros beatle > ants
I heard gorillas are pretty strong pound for pound. They would fuck your shit up.[/quote]
Well I’d definitely rather fight a Rhinoceros beetle than a gorilla, but pound for pound (or maybe ounce for ounce) the beetle is the strongest of all animals.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
I think this is the longest a type2b thread remained civil…
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Fuck you!
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
kmcnyc wrote:
I think this is the longest a type2b thread remained civil…
Fuck you![/quote]
Shut up, troll. 
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
drewh wrote:
Foreman would have destroyedd Tyson, Tyson even admitted Ali wold have beat him.
I was going to mention Foreman.
Tyson was incredibly explosive and hit like a freight train, but he also heavily on his aggressive style and (as you can see by his fight with Douglas) didn’t do too well when his opponent wasn’t afraid of his power and kept coming at him.
If you watch the fight between Foreman and Frazier you’ll see just how powerful Foreman was. Keep in mind that Frazier was coming off a pretty impressive win against Ali in that fight and everyone thought that he would beat or at least take Foreman the distance. Foreman absolutely destroyed him.
I would have loved to see a fight between a prime Tyson and a prime Ali though. Or a prime Marciano and a prime Ali. Those would be some awesome fights.[/quote]
Douglas beat a Tyson who’d lost his mentor and wasn’t really training. No one will ever know how great Tyson could’ve been, but I feel like he woul’ve been the best. Didn’t mean for that to take away from what Buster did.
[quote]Nikiforos wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
kmcnyc wrote:
I think this is the longest a type2b thread remained civil…
Fuck you!
Shut up, troll. ;)[/quote]
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
drewh wrote:
Foreman would have destroyedd Tyson, Tyson even admitted Ali wold have beat him.
I was going to mention Foreman.
Tyson was incredibly explosive and hit like a freight train, but he also heavily on his aggressive style and (as you can see by his fight with Douglas) didn’t do too well when his opponent wasn’t afraid of his power and kept coming at him.
If you watch the fight between Foreman and Frazier you’ll see just how powerful Foreman was. Keep in mind that Frazier was coming off a pretty impressive win against Ali in that fight and everyone thought that he would beat or at least take Foreman the distance. Foreman absolutely destroyed him.
I would have loved to see a fight between a prime Tyson and a prime Ali though. Or a prime Marciano and a prime Ali. Those would be some awesome fights.
Douglas beat a Tyson who’d lost his mentor and wasn’t really training. No one will ever know how great Tyson could’ve been, but I feel like he woul’ve been the best. Didn’t mean for that to take away from what Buster did.[/quote]
Floyd Patterson called Tyson perfectly- a great fighter who was going to get hit a lot when he slowed down.
Ali would have not only gotten inside and twisted up Tyson’s head so bad that he wouldn’t have known which side was up. And after that, the man who took Joe Frazier’s best punches for 36 rounds and George Foreman’s best for 8 rounds would have utterly demolished Tyson as soon as he tired out.
Frazier’s hook could break cement- and that couldn’t knock Ali out. And there’s no way that Ali would have been outpointed by Tyson.
Ali would have knocked him out somewhere around the eighth or ninth with a hard right hand uppercut.
Now Frazier- he fought the same as Tyson. Bobbing and weaving, good footwork, stormed inside to land hard punches. Tyson threw punches in bunches, and that could have hurt Joe- but knocking Joe out was damn near impossible. He would have bobbed and weaved and landed that big left hook a couple times that would have shook Tyson badly, maybe stopped him from throwing so many punches. After that, maybe around the ninth or tenth, Tyson would KO’d on a big left.
Dempsey… well, the newspapers once called him “187 lbs. of unbridled violence.” The man was the most brutal heavyweight to step in the ring- power in both hands, and he invented that bobbing and weaving style that he learned in the bars. Same result, but much quicker- the man who shattered Jess Willards face would do the same to Tyson. The only one who could fluster Dempsey- would have been Ali, because he would have fought like Gene Tunney did and outboxed him.
And Ali’s foil? Joe Frazier.
Tyson, with his heart of a pup and his tendency to slow down and give up, would have no chance in there with those legends who fought with every ounce of their being and proved, over and over, that they’d leave their lives in the ring if necessary.
It’s kind of like saying that “These following people are all War Leaders: Roosevelt, Churchill, George W. Bush.”
Well guys, one of these things is not like the other.
[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Who among these three do you consider the “greatest”?
Anderson Silva
Fedor Emilianenko
George Saint Pierre
If they were in the same weightclass, who’d win?[/quote]
Karl Gotch in his prime would play with these guys, like they were mad toddlers.
I would go with Ali, then Tyson in his prime. I don’t know if Ali would knock Tyson out, but if he didn’t, he would win by decision.
In regards to the original MMA question (Silva, Fedor, GSP), from the posts on here, it became a two-man race, with GSP going by the wayside. I’m giving the edge to Fedor, as pretty much everyone he has fought has been bigger, stronger, faster, or any combination of those three, but Fedor won every time. Anderson has fought at a few different weight classes, and has been successful at all of them, so it’s tough to put Anderson behind Fedor in this case, but I’m giving the nod to Fedor.