Gout Diet?

Nutrition
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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I hope we can all agree that the medical profession has helped people, but there are some serious cracks in the system that need addressing. [/quote]

Sure, I can agree with this. There is good and bad in every profession but it isn’t fair to make blanket statements that vilify an entire vocation. I don’t mean that you implied that either JF because I don’t believe that you did. It is something that I see frequently in the forums, however.

Let us all just use our common sense: take care of yourself and use preventative measures as much as possible and be thankful that we have many good medical professionals for serious health problems that are out of our hands.[/quote]

Good post. As I said above, there have been holes in EVERY profession in EVERY society–includig the most advanced and pristine ones–since the beginnig of paid work!

Thanks for care in asking about my mom’s surgery.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I work with some clients that the idea of blending a shake in the morning with a few ingredients stresses them out and they don’t feel they can be successful with it. We can sit and talk all day about how they are weak, but in the end, the system needs to be set up to help those that don’t naturally find this stuff easy to do.

[/quote]

Doctors aren’t psychologists. And discipline, although it can be coaxed by an event or a person, comes from within!

Hmm, so now we are expecting medical doctors to be psychologists, personal trainers, nutritionists, and medical doctors all wrapped in one, and if they fail to be all these professions at once (which is impossible), then they collectively deserve to be criticized?[/quote]

What I’m getting at, is the health care system needs to improve no how it handles health. Not saying doctors need to be a one stop shop.

Go eat some pasta and chill out :smiley:

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]bam7196 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I am not in the health business - therefore I have no bias towards one modality of treatment versus the other. [/quote]

That’s fine. It’s beneficial for everyone to be on top of their own health and to have some knowledge on health and nutrition and drugs.

Most doctors worth their salt understand that people should eat fruits, veggies, lean protein, healthy oils, and unprocessed carbs and to control calories and not to indulge in junk frequently and to exercise. Most know what nutrients to be avoided for specific diseases (eg, low phosphorous, low sodium, and low potassium for renal disorder).

Sharing knowledge here is fine and I’m not here to police you or anyone–nor can I–but offering alternative opinions is far different than saying “… your doctors don’t really know what they are doing if it does not involve getting you addicted to their drugs”. It’s not only offensive, it’s ridiculous! Who are you going to go to when you’re ill or in an accident? If I get into an accident, should I treat my own wounds or leave them uncared for or heal my own bones? Do you know what highly, highly intelligent doctors are capable of and have done?

Are we talking about the same awesome doctors who believe dietary cholesterol is bad for us and will prescribe statin drugs that can kill us…?

Yeah, I am so wrong.

[/quote]

A well-thought-out, educated response.

Do you know know how many doctors (including myself) tell our patients to clean up their diet, exercise, attend their PT, destress in various wholistic ways, etc? Do you know how many patients actually do those things? As a rule we approach detrimental processes in the way that is most likely to actually have a positive effect on our patients. There is ongoing clinical research examining outcomes for this kind of thing ALL THE TIME.

The irony of this discussion happening on a health forum populated by people who all work out is obviously lost on you.

PS- opinions about macros, cholesterol, etc. change all the time. I wouldn’t base your opinion of an entire profession on such a labile concept.

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Check out purines, coffee, fructose, sugar in general. probably not good for gout. dr. mercola has some info to check out (see the pumkin man’s post on the previous page)

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I hope we can all agree that the medical profession has helped people, but there are some serious cracks in the system that need addressing. [/quote]

Sure, I can agree with this. There is good and bad in every profession but it isn’t fair to make blanket statements that vilify an entire vocation. I don’t mean that you implied that either JF because I don’t believe that you did. It is something that I see frequently in the forums, however.

Let us all just use our common sense: take care of yourself and use preventative measures as much as possible and be thankful that we have many good medical professionals for serious health problems that are out of our hands.[/quote]

Good post. As I said above, there have been holes in EVERY profession in EVERY society–includig the most advanced and pristine ones–since the beginnig of paid work!

Thanks for care in asking about my mom’s surgery. [/quote]

Thanks and you’re welcome. I wish you and your mother all the best and long, healthy lives.

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I work with some clients that the idea of blending a shake in the morning with a few ingredients stresses them out and they don’t feel they can be successful with it. We can sit and talk all day about how they are weak, but in the end, the system needs to be set up to help those that don’t naturally find this stuff easy to do.

[/quote]

Doctors aren’t psychologists. And discipline, although it can be coaxed by an event or a person, comes from within!

Hmm, so now we are expecting medical doctors to be psychologists, personal trainers, nutritionists, and medical doctors all wrapped in one, and if they fail to be all these professions at once (which is impossible), then they collectively deserve to be criticized?[/quote]

But he’s seen videos on youtube.

I don’t care how much information is available to the general public on the internet now, if one hasn’t received the education to go along with it, they do not fully comprehend enough to pass judgement and if you’re dispensing advice based on what you’ve read or videos that you’ve watched, you are a dangerous person and are capable of seriously harming someone else and their health.

The most often missed part of the equation that I see reading others opinions (and not always educated ones) is that we need BOTH systems in place to achieve the best health. I eat well and use supplements and natural remedies as much as I can, however, if I’ve just been hit by a car and my life is in danger, please don’t offer me arnica gel. I’ll take the good stuff, thanks.

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I hope we can all agree that the medical profession has helped people, but there are some serious cracks in the system that need addressing. [/quote]

Sure, I can agree with this. There is good and bad in every profession but it isn’t fair to make blanket statements that vilify an entire vocation. I don’t mean that you implied that either JF because I don’t believe that you did. It is something that I see frequently in the forums, however.

Let us all just use our common sense: take care of yourself and use preventative measures as much as possible and be thankful that we have many good medical professionals for serious health problems that are out of our hands.[/quote]

Good post. As I said above, there have been holes in EVERY profession in EVERY society–includig the most advanced and pristine ones–since the beginnig of paid work!

Thanks for care in asking about my mom’s surgery. [/quote]

Thanks and you’re welcome. I wish you and your mother all the best and long, healthy lives.

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I work with some clients that the idea of blending a shake in the morning with a few ingredients stresses them out and they don’t feel they can be successful with it. We can sit and talk all day about how they are weak, but in the end, the system needs to be set up to help those that don’t naturally find this stuff easy to do.

[/quote]

Doctors aren’t psychologists. And discipline, although it can be coaxed by an event or a person, comes from within!

Hmm, so now we are expecting medical doctors to be psychologists, personal trainers, nutritionists, and medical doctors all wrapped in one, and if they fail to be all these professions at once (which is impossible), then they collectively deserve to be criticized?[/quote]

But he’s seen videos on youtube.

I don’t care how much information is available to the general public on the internet now, if one hasn’t received the education to go along with it, they do not fully comprehend enough to pass judgement and if you’re dispensing advice based on what you’ve read or videos that you’ve watched, you are a dangerous person and are capable of seriously harming someone else and their health.

The most often missed part of the equation that I see reading others opinions (and not always educated ones) is that we need BOTH systems in place to achieve the best health. I eat well and use supplements and natural remedies as much as I can, however, if I’ve just been hit by a car and my life is in danger, please don’t offer me arnica gel. I’ll take the good stuff, thanks.

[/quote]

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I hope we can all agree that the medical profession has helped people, but there are some serious cracks in the system that need addressing. [/quote]

Sure, I can agree with this. There is good and bad in every profession but it isn’t fair to make blanket statements that vilify an entire vocation. I don’t mean that you implied that either JF because I don’t believe that you did. It is something that I see frequently in the forums, however.

Let us all just use our common sense: take care of yourself and use preventative measures as much as possible and be thankful that we have many good medical professionals for serious health problems that are out of our hands.[/quote]

Good post. As I said above, there have been holes in EVERY profession in EVERY society–includig the most advanced and pristine ones–since the beginnig of paid work!

Thanks for care in asking about my mom’s surgery. [/quote]

Thanks and you’re welcome. I wish you and your mother all the best and long, healthy lives.

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I work with some clients that the idea of blending a shake in the morning with a few ingredients stresses them out and they don’t feel they can be successful with it. We can sit and talk all day about how they are weak, but in the end, the system needs to be set up to help those that don’t naturally find this stuff easy to do.

[/quote]

Doctors aren’t psychologists. And discipline, although it can be coaxed by an event or a person, comes from within!

Hmm, so now we are expecting medical doctors to be psychologists, personal trainers, nutritionists, and medical doctors all wrapped in one, and if they fail to be all these professions at once (which is impossible), then they collectively deserve to be criticized?[/quote]

But he’s seen videos on youtube.

I don’t care how much information is available to the general public on the internet now, if one hasn’t received the education to go along with it, they do not fully comprehend enough to pass judgement and if you’re dispensing advice based on what you’ve read or videos that you’ve watched, you are a dangerous person and are capable of seriously harming someone else and their health.

The most often missed part of the equation that I see reading others opinions (and not always educated ones) is that we need BOTH systems in place to achieve the best health. I eat well and use supplements and natural remedies as much as I can, however, if I’ve just been hit by a car and my life is in danger, please don’t offer me arnica gel. I’ll take the good stuff, thanks.

[/quote]

[/quote]

lol Jackass. That was pretty funny though.

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[quote]bam7196 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]bam7196 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I am not in the health business - therefore I have no bias towards one modality of treatment versus the other. [/quote]

That’s fine. It’s beneficial for everyone to be on top of their own health and to have some knowledge on health and nutrition and drugs.

Most doctors worth their salt understand that people should eat fruits, veggies, lean protein, healthy oils, and unprocessed carbs and to control calories and not to indulge in junk frequently and to exercise. Most know what nutrients to be avoided for specific diseases (eg, low phosphorous, low sodium, and low potassium for renal disorder).

Sharing knowledge here is fine and I’m not here to police you or anyone–nor can I–but offering alternative opinions is far different than saying “… your doctors don’t really know what they are doing if it does not involve getting you addicted to their drugs”. It’s not only offensive, it’s ridiculous! Who are you going to go to when you’re ill or in an accident? If I get into an accident, should I treat my own wounds or leave them uncared for or heal my own bones? Do you know what highly, highly intelligent doctors are capable of and have done?

Are we talking about the same awesome doctors who believe dietary cholesterol is bad for us and will prescribe statin drugs that can kill us…?

Yeah, I am so wrong.

[/quote]

A well-thought-out, educated response.

Do you know know how many doctors (including myself) tell our patients to clean up their diet, exercise, attend their PT, destress in various wholistic ways, etc? Do you know how many patients actually do those things? As a rule we approach detrimental processes in the way that is most likely to actually have a positive effect on our patients. There is ongoing clinical research examining outcomes for this kind of thing ALL THE TIME.

The irony of this discussion happening on a health forum populated by people who all work out is obviously lost on you.

PS- opinions about macros, cholesterol, etc. change all the time. I wouldn’t base your opinion of an entire profession on such a labile concept.
[/quote]

Great, maybe you can get the word out to all your misinformed buddies who still believe in 50 year-old, out-dated information.

The ironic thing is that you think ALL who post in this forum actually “work out”.

P.S. Way to show your ego.

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[quote]dingox wrote:
i had my first Gout attack on sunday it was not a very bad 1 but i need to do something if i don’t what to get it again :frowning: for what i have found out on the internet there are alot of no no in Gout diet and thie say u shuldt not be on a hige proten diet and thet is wery bad for me hehe sins i am trying to put on some kgs: so is ther any 1 out ther thet can help me ?[/quote]
Which joint?
Did he puncture it?
Did he find crystals?
How old are you?

Are you related do Dolan?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]bam7196 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]bam7196 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I am not in the health business - therefore I have no bias towards one modality of treatment versus the other. [/quote]

That’s fine. It’s beneficial for everyone to be on top of their own health and to have some knowledge on health and nutrition and drugs.

Most doctors worth their salt understand that people should eat fruits, veggies, lean protein, healthy oils, and unprocessed carbs and to control calories and not to indulge in junk frequently and to exercise. Most know what nutrients to be avoided for specific diseases (eg, low phosphorous, low sodium, and low potassium for renal disorder).

Sharing knowledge here is fine and I’m not here to police you or anyone–nor can I–but offering alternative opinions is far different than saying “… your doctors don’t really know what they are doing if it does not involve getting you addicted to their drugs”. It’s not only offensive, it’s ridiculous! Who are you going to go to when you’re ill or in an accident? If I get into an accident, should I treat my own wounds or leave them uncared for or heal my own bones? Do you know what highly, highly intelligent doctors are capable of and have done?

Are we talking about the same awesome doctors who believe dietary cholesterol is bad for us and will prescribe statin drugs that can kill us…?

Yeah, I am so wrong.

[/quote]

A well-thought-out, educated response.

Do you know know how many doctors (including myself) tell our patients to clean up their diet, exercise, attend their PT, destress in various wholistic ways, etc? Do you know how many patients actually do those things? As a rule we approach detrimental processes in the way that is most likely to actually have a positive effect on our patients. There is ongoing clinical research examining outcomes for this kind of thing ALL THE TIME.

The irony of this discussion happening on a health forum populated by people who all work out is obviously lost on you.

PS- opinions about macros, cholesterol, etc. change all the time. I wouldn’t base your opinion of an entire profession on such a labile concept.
[/quote]

Great, maybe you can get the word out to all your misinformed buddies who still believe in 50 year-old, out-dated information.

The ironic thing is that you think ALL who post in this forum actually “work out”.

P.S. Way to show your ego.[/quote]

What do you do for work?

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[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]dingox wrote:
i had my first Gout attack on sunday it was not a very bad 1 but i need to do something if i don’t what to get it again :frowning: for what i have found out on the internet there are alot of no no in Gout diet and thie say u shuldt not be on a hige proten diet and thet is wery bad for me hehe sins i am trying to put on some kgs: so is ther any 1 out ther thet can help me ?[/quote]
Which joint?
Did he puncture it?
Did he find crystals?
How old are you?

Which joint? left big toe
Did he puncture it? no
Did he find crystals? yes a blood test was taken that confirmed it
and i am 37

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[quote]dingox wrote:
Which joint? left big toe
Did he puncture it? no
Did he find crystals? yes a blood test was taken that confirmed it
and i am 37
[/quote]
Ideally he should puncture it and look for crystals in the joint fluid.
My opinion: Get a proper diagnosis first, then try to see if you can cure it with diet changes. My aunt turned vegetarian because of “gout” (self diagnosed, she’s an engineer) and if I were in the same situation I’d rather eat allopurinol than not eat meat.

InB4 bought by big pharma. Oh wait.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]bam7196 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]bam7196 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I am not in the health business - therefore I have no bias towards one modality of treatment versus the other. [/quote]

That’s fine. It’s beneficial for everyone to be on top of their own health and to have some knowledge on health and nutrition and drugs.

Most doctors worth their salt understand that people should eat fruits, veggies, lean protein, healthy oils, and unprocessed carbs and to control calories and not to indulge in junk frequently and to exercise. Most know what nutrients to be avoided for specific diseases (eg, low phosphorous, low sodium, and low potassium for renal disorder).

Sharing knowledge here is fine and I’m not here to police you or anyone–nor can I–but offering alternative opinions is far different than saying “… your doctors don’t really know what they are doing if it does not involve getting you addicted to their drugs”. It’s not only offensive, it’s ridiculous! Who are you going to go to when you’re ill or in an accident? If I get into an accident, should I treat my own wounds or leave them uncared for or heal my own bones? Do you know what highly, highly intelligent doctors are capable of and have done?

Are we talking about the same awesome doctors who believe dietary cholesterol is bad for us and will prescribe statin drugs that can kill us…?

Yeah, I am so wrong.

[/quote]

A well-thought-out, educated response.

Do you know know how many doctors (including myself) tell our patients to clean up their diet, exercise, attend their PT, destress in various wholistic ways, etc? Do you know how many patients actually do those things? As a rule we approach detrimental processes in the way that is most likely to actually have a positive effect on our patients. There is ongoing clinical research examining outcomes for this kind of thing ALL THE TIME.

The irony of this discussion happening on a health forum populated by people who all work out is obviously lost on you.

PS- opinions about macros, cholesterol, etc. change all the time. I wouldn’t base your opinion of an entire profession on such a labile concept.
[/quote]

Great, maybe you can get the word out to all your misinformed buddies who still believe in 50 year-old, out-dated information.

The ironic thing is that you think ALL who post in this forum actually “work out”.

P.S. Way to show your ego.[/quote]

It’s sad you can’t do better than this in a debate about something simple.

No point in taking this further

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
What do you do for work?[/quote]

Why is that relevant to a discussion between anonymous people?

Why should we have reason to believe people are who they say they are and do what they say they do?

Why cannot we judge ideas and our fellow’s intellect without the ego trip?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Why should we have reason to believe people are who they say they are and do what they say they do? [/quote]

There are some decent people on this board.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Why should we have reason to believe people are who they say they are and do what they say they do? [/quote]

There are some decent people on this board.
[/quote]

I can’t judge that by mere words.

Actions.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Why should we have reason to believe people are who they say they are and do what they say they do? [/quote]

There are some decent people on this board.
[/quote]

I can’t judge that by mere words.

Actions.[/quote]

OK, so you continue most here are indecent? Writing and speaking are forms of behavior by the way. They’re actions.

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And I asked what is your profession but you’re hesitant to say so, yet collectively criticize an entire profession that can only be entered through years of vigorous schooling and training and proven competence while deferring fun and pleasure.

Take care.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Why should we have reason to believe people are who they say they are and do what they say they do? [/quote]

There are some decent people on this board.
[/quote]

I can’t judge that by mere words.

Actions.[/quote]

OK, so you continue most here are indecent? Writing and speaking are forms of behavior by the way. They’re actions. [/quote]

Yeah, its called having a civilized discussion.

And if you are going to continue, don’t put words in my mouth.

I am not judging anyone’s character because I don’t know them.