Gout Diet?

Nutrition
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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
don’t really know what they are doing if it does not involve getting you addicted to their drugs.[/quote]

Oh yes, we all know ethical doctors intend to harm their patients, not really to treat or manage people’s diseases. And yes, he should ask for advice for medical nutrition therapy because we all know anyone with access to T-mag and Pub Med is just as qualified as a doctor or dietitian or pharmacist to practice.

Oh my evil doctor who treats my medical condition for the past 11 years. That evil doctor who who removed my mother’s pituitary tumor that was impinging on her optic nerves and wreaking havoc on her endocrne system. That evil doctor who untwisted part of my great grandmothers intestine. That evil doctor who performed hip resurfacing surgery on my uncle’s childhood friend and 25-year NPC veteran.

All the evil doctors saving lives everyday, performing amputations of necrotic and gangrene infected legs, tripling the lifespans of the needy in far off parts of the world, healing broken bones and life threatening wounds, prescribing the appropriate medicines for god knows how many illnesses… yup, you guessed, they don’t know what they’re doing.

The quintessential fitness internut–believing he knows more or is just as qualified as those who earned their bones with years of schooling and decades of demonstrated COMPETENCE in their respective fields.

What do you have to offer that a doctor, pharmacist, or dietitian doesn’t–or a bodybuilder for that matter, considering that, if I recall correctly, you’re the guy who said we shouldn’t listen to a SUCCESSFUL BODYBUILDERS’ ADVICE ON BECOMING A SUCCESSFUL BODYBUILDERS?

What line of work are you in?

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I am not in the health business - therefore I have no bias towards one modality of treatment versus the other.

I am here to offer alternative opinions that most doctors are ignorant about especially with regard to nutrition.

You can go back to feeling indignant and defensive now.

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Low Purine Diet is commonly prescribed.

Gout.com …website dedicated to this subject is probably the best place to start. Doctors know little about gout problems as do most Nutrition experts. As a dietitian it is a crap shoot. I would suggest an elimination diet to find out what foods irritate your gout and eliminate them.

Sidenote: Black Cherry Extract has worked well for my Dad who has real bad gout in his heel.

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]dingox wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Were you diagnosed with gout by a doctor?[/quote]

yes i went to the hospital and this is not the first time i get this but this is first time i get it after turning my life around [/quote]

What course of treatment did he prescribe for you?[/quote]

lol the dr was no help he gave me ibuprofen and told me he hope this wont get worse and i should stop training and go and googel gout heheheh

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[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Low Purine Diet is commonly prescribed.

Gout.com …website dedicated to this subject is probably the best place to start. Doctors know little about gout problems as do most Nutrition experts. As a dietitian it is a crap shoot. I would suggest an elimination diet to find out what foods irritate your gout and eliminate them.

Sidenote: Black Cherry Extract has worked well for my Dad who has real bad gout in his heel.[/quote]

yes i am going to try the Black Cherry Extract i have been reading about it

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[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Oh my evil doctor who treats my medical condition for the past 11 years. That evil doctor who who removed my mother’s pituitary tumor that was impinging on her optic nerves and wreaking havoc on her endocrne system.
[/quote]

Sorry OP for the brief hijack on my part.

Hi BrickHead. I thought your entire post was excellent but this part stood out to me in a big way. Did they remove the pituitary gland and how is your mother doing now? My father had the same surgery. Thank goodness for skilled professional surgeons and endocrinologists.

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The tumor was removed three summers ago. When she had the tumor, it was seemingly impossible for her to control her weight, and my mother isn’t someone who normally carries much fat. She’s doing great now, and is about 20 pounds lighter, back to her usual bodyweight before the tumor.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I am not in the health business - therefore I have no bias towards one modality of treatment versus the other. [/quote]

That’s fine. It’s beneficial for everyone to be on top of their own health and to have some knowledge on health and nutrition and drugs.

Most doctors worth their salt understand that people should eat fruits, veggies, lean protein, healthy oils, and unprocessed carbs and to control calories and not to indulge in junk frequently and to exercise. Most know what nutrients to be avoided for specific diseases (eg, low phosphorous, low sodium, and low potassium for renal disorder).

Sharing knowledge here is fine and I’m not here to police you or anyone–nor can I–but offering alternative opinions is far different than saying “… your doctors don’t really know what they are doing if it does not involve getting you addicted to their drugs”. It’s not only offensive, it’s ridiculous! Who are you going to go to when you’re ill or in an accident? If I get into an accident, should I treat my own wounds or leave them uncared for or heal my own bones? Do you know what highly, highly intelligent doctors are capable of and have done?

[quote]
You can go back to feeling … defensive now.[/quote]

I’ll always try to defend my profession and those of others who do good deeds (especially those who sacrificed a ton to get where they are).

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I am not in the health business - therefore I have no bias towards one modality of treatment versus the other. [/quote]

That’s fine. It’s beneficial for everyone to be on top of their own health and to have some knowledge on health and nutrition and drugs.

Most doctors worth their salt understand that people should eat fruits, veggies, lean protein, healthy oils, and unprocessed carbs and to control calories and not to indulge in junk frequently and to exercise. Most know what nutrients to be avoided for specific diseases (eg, low phosphorous, low sodium, and low potassium for renal disorder).

Sharing knowledge here is fine and I’m not here to police you or anyone–nor can I–but offering alternative opinions is far different than saying “… your doctors don’t really know what they are doing if it does not involve getting you addicted to their drugs”. It’s not only offensive, it’s ridiculous! Who are you going to go to when you’re ill or in an accident? If I get into an accident, should I treat my own wounds or leave them uncared for or heal my own bones? Do you know what highly, highly intelligent doctors are capable of and have done?

[quote]
You can go back to feeling … defensive now.[/quote]

I’ll always try to defend my profession and those of others who do good deeds (especially those who sacrificed a ton to get where they are). [/quote]

I do not mean to come off disrespectful to an entire profession but modern medical school curriculum is written by Big-Pharma. They have tainted what was once a respected profession and have all but relegated the practice of real medicine to the annals of witchcraft.

I am not saying some medical technology is not valuable. I contend that those people who practice prescribing drugs to treat symptoms rather than treating the cause of the symptoms are worse than witches - they are charlatans.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I am not in the health business - therefore I have no bias towards one modality of treatment versus the other. [/quote]

That’s fine. It’s beneficial for everyone to be on top of their own health and to have some knowledge on health and nutrition and drugs.

Most doctors worth their salt understand that people should eat fruits, veggies, lean protein, healthy oils, and unprocessed carbs and to control calories and not to indulge in junk frequently and to exercise. Most know what nutrients to be avoided for specific diseases (eg, low phosphorous, low sodium, and low potassium for renal disorder).

Sharing knowledge here is fine and I’m not here to police you or anyone–nor can I–but offering alternative opinions is far different than saying “… your doctors don’t really know what they are doing if it does not involve getting you addicted to their drugs”. It’s not only offensive, it’s ridiculous! Who are you going to go to when you’re ill or in an accident? If I get into an accident, should I treat my own wounds or leave them uncared for or heal my own bones? Do you know what highly, highly intelligent doctors are capable of and have done?

[quote]
You can go back to feeling … defensive now.[/quote]

I’ll always try to defend my profession and those of others who do good deeds (especially those who sacrificed a ton to get where they are). [/quote]

I do not mean to come off disrespectful to an entire profession but modern medical school curriculum is written by Big-Pharma. They have tainted what was once a respected profession and have all but relegated the practice of real medicine to the annals of witchcraft.

I am not saying some medical technology is not valuable. I contend that those people who practice prescribing drugs to treat symptoms rather than treating the cause of the symptoms are worse than witches - they are charlatans.[/quote]

All of this is trash.

You paint medicine as if it exists only in your own little world. You know, just clean up your diet, take this supplement, avoid this nut you’ll be fine.

Do you know what Glioblastoma Multiforme is?
How about Primary Sclerosing Cholangitis?
Bronchiolitis Obliterans Organizing Pneumonia?
Neuromyelitis Optica?

There have been great strides made in the last 30 years concerning each of these diseases, and they did not come in the grocery store or on the training table but in the classroom/lab/clinic.

You are referring to a 12-16 hour/day, 8 year training program of which you have not had 1 day. Your point of view means nothing and if people listened to those who display opinions such as yours and acted accordingly it could very well get them hurt.

Witchcraft…

You should have just said you were wrong and backed off after Brick embarrassed you the first time

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
They have tainted what was once a respected profession and have all but relegated the practice of real medicine to the annals of witchcraft.

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You really can’t help yourself, can you?

If I’m not mistaken you’re also the guy who said we shouldn’t listen to bodybuilders about building muscle.

Hmm, interesting. Let’s not go to lawyers for legal advice. Let’s not hire steel workers to build buildings. Let’s not hire barbers to cut hair. And so on and so on.

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[quote]dingox wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]dingox wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Were you diagnosed with gout by a doctor?[/quote]

yes i went to the hospital and this is not the first time i get this but this is first time i get it after turning my life around [/quote]

What course of treatment did he prescribe for you?[/quote]

lol the dr was no help he gave me ibuprofen and told me he hope this wont get worse and i should stop training and go and googel gout heheheh[/quote]

Well, that doesn’t seem very helpful. Where exactly is your gout manifesting itself and how many times has it reoccurred?

This is not advice to you per say but I can tell you what worked for me when I developed gout in both of my elbows about 2.5 years ago. I ran a retail accounting office and at one point we were short-staffed due to vacations and I ended up running the receiving dock for a few weeks. During that time, I developed pain and swelling in both of my elbows and went to see my doctor - turns out that it was gout. Between leaning on edges of boxes on my elbows and leaning on very hard counter tops while entering inventory, it had caused a very painful case of gout. The first thing I had to do was be aware to not place pressure on the area that hurt so I was conscience to put my elbows on nothing. I could tell when I did anyhow because it hurt like hell. Secondly, I removed all sugar, carbohydrates, a good deal of meat and I cut down on coffee and things of that nature. Basically anything that was inflammatory. I tried the cherries and I’m not sure if that worked or not but I still ate them religiously. It was quite difficult to get the gout to disappear and it did come back several times within that year. The good news is that it is completely gone now.

I’m not a doctor and can’t give you any medical advice. What I would suggest you try based on my own experience is find out what has caused your gout and then eliminate anything inflammatory in your diet. You would most likely have to do this for quite some time also. It’s not easy to get rid of.

Also, a little random piece of information that my doctor told me is that gout of the elbows is on the rise in younger people. The reason being is that they spend so much time on their computers resting their elbows on a hard surface for hours on end.

I do hope that you feel better soon, regardless. Gout is a very painful thing to experience, I know. Keep at it and don’t expect overnight miracles.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Oh my evil doctor who treats my medical condition for the past 11 years. That evil doctor who who removed my mother’s pituitary tumor that was impinging on her optic nerves and wreaking havoc on her endocrne system.
[/quote]

Sorry OP for the brief hijack on my part.

Hi BrickHead. I thought your entire post was excellent but this part stood out to me in a big way. Did they remove the pituitary gland and how is your mother doing now? My father had the same surgery. Thank goodness for skilled professional surgeons and endocrinologists.

[/quote]

The tumor was removed three summers ago. When she had the tumor, it was seemingly impossible for her to control her weight, and my mother isn’t someone who normally carries much fat. She’s doing great now, and is about 20 pounds lighter, back to her usual bodyweight before the tumor. [/quote]

That is good to hear that they could remove the tumor without the gland also. It’s amazing how the body repairs itself when the tumor is removed. Anyhow, I had to ask. I know what’s involved in that surgery all too well and it makes me feel good to know that others are doing well now also.

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[quote]dingox wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]dingox wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Were you diagnosed with gout by a doctor?[/quote]

yes i went to the hospital and this is not the first time i get this but this is first time i get it after turning my life around [/quote]

What course of treatment did he prescribe for you?[/quote]

lol the dr was no help he gave me ibuprofen and told me he hope this wont get worse and i should stop training and go and googel gout heheheh[/quote]

find a new doctor

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I hope we can all agree that the medical profession has helped people, but there are some serious cracks in the system that need addressing.

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[quote]bam7196 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I am not in the health business - therefore I have no bias towards one modality of treatment versus the other. [/quote]

That’s fine. It’s beneficial for everyone to be on top of their own health and to have some knowledge on health and nutrition and drugs.

Most doctors worth their salt understand that people should eat fruits, veggies, lean protein, healthy oils, and unprocessed carbs and to control calories and not to indulge in junk frequently and to exercise. Most know what nutrients to be avoided for specific diseases (eg, low phosphorous, low sodium, and low potassium for renal disorder).

Sharing knowledge here is fine and I’m not here to police you or anyone–nor can I–but offering alternative opinions is far different than saying “… your doctors don’t really know what they are doing if it does not involve getting you addicted to their drugs”. It’s not only offensive, it’s ridiculous! Who are you going to go to when you’re ill or in an accident? If I get into an accident, should I treat my own wounds or leave them uncared for or heal my own bones? Do you know what highly, highly intelligent doctors are capable of and have done?

Are we talking about the same awesome doctors who believe dietary cholesterol is bad for us and will prescribe statin drugs that can kill us…?

Yeah, I am so wrong.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I hope we can all agree that the medical profession has helped people, but there are some serious cracks in the system that need addressing. [/quote]

Yeah, I agree. My gripe isn’t with the medical profession as a whole.

Just those doctors who have been bought by big pharma.

I have great respect for orthopedic surgeons having been the beneficiary of their services numerous times.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I hope we can all agree that the medical profession has helped people, but there are some serious cracks in the system that need addressing. [/quote]

Yeah, I agree. My gripe isn’t with the medical profession as a whole.

Just those doctors who have been bought by big pharma.

I have great respect for orthopedic surgeons having been the beneficiary of their services numerous times.[/quote]

I hear ya. And I’m in agreeance with you here. I think like most things the answer lies in the middle, but too many people are happy to just go along with the idea that the medical system as is, is as good as it can be or should be, then there are those that completely dog it. However, I don’t see you labeling it as such, because in reality to make a point you have to talk about the bad/issues, without necessarily having to mention the good.

Hell, just your note on cholesterol should be point enough. Or the fact that the OP’s doctor pretty much sucks with his advice.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I hope we can all agree that the medical profession has helped people, but there are some serious cracks in the system that need addressing. [/quote]

Sure, I can agree with this. There is good and bad in every profession but it isn’t fair to make blanket statements that vilify an entire vocation. I don’t mean that you implied that either JF because I don’t believe that you did. It is something that I see frequently in the forums, however.

Let us all just use our common sense: take care of yourself and use preventative measures as much as possible and be thankful that we have many good medical professionals for serious health problems that are out of our hands.

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This thread is a great example, and people are starting to look elsewhere for health advice because as a whole the “sick-care” system is not doing the job.

Doctors don’t sit down and counsel people on how to live a healthier life, for a multitude of reasons. There really should be systems in place where a person works with their doctor and a trainer/nutritionist or life coach.

Because I can tell you this. I work with some clients that the idea of blending a shake in the morning with a few ingredients stresses them out and they don’t feel they can be successful with it. We can sit and talk all day about how they are weak, but in the end, the system needs to be set up to help those that don’t naturally find this stuff easy to do.

Telling a T2 diabetic in the doctors office to eat better and exercise does jack squat for them.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

Telling a T2 diabetic in the doctors office to eat better and exercise does jack squat for them.[/quote]

Hence why there are professionals called dietitians, nutritionists, exercise physiologists, and personal trainers!

Doctors are there for certain functions, and that’s it, else you want a person to take on three or four professions at once!

There are holes in every profession since the dawn of PAID WORK and higher civilization, and this has gone for the highest, most pristine societies!

People can whine about how doctors CORRECT things rather than PREVENT! Well, nearly the whole damn concept of medicine was and is to CURE problems. No one leads lives that can prevent them from having bones broken in an accident in which force applied to the bones is too much to handle. No one expects to get diseases of unknown cause (included myself, having hypogonadism of unknown cause (idiopathic) since 23 years old. No one lives a life that prevents them from getting burned in fires. And if third worlders lead certain lives, they wouldn’t have relied upon MODERN MEDICINE to FIX their problems which they apparently could NOT deal with on their own and have their life spans tripled in the process!

You know there are holes in the personal training profession too right? Some trainers don’t know much. I’ve seen trainers take clients through terribly goofy and sometimes DANGEROUS workouts. There are contest prep coaches who espouse the most dangerous shit! Would it be fair that I say, “The personal training industry is filled with wackos who don’t know what they’re doing!” and “Every pre-contest prep coach is a dangerous bastard!” Or would it be fair to say, “There are some trainers that are having their clients do really bad workouts.” and “Some contest prep coaches are dangerous and should be avoided. Make sure the one you hire is safe and has a decent track record”

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I work with some clients that the idea of blending a shake in the morning with a few ingredients stresses them out and they don’t feel they can be successful with it. We can sit and talk all day about how they are weak, but in the end, the system needs to be set up to help those that don’t naturally find this stuff easy to do.

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Doctors aren’t psychologists. And discipline, although it can be coaxed by an event or a person, comes from within!

Hmm, so now we are expecting medical doctors to be psychologists, personal trainers, nutritionists, and medical doctors all wrapped in one, and if they fail to be all these professions at once (which is impossible), then they collectively deserve to be criticized?