GOT To Drop It FAST!

Training Over 35 Lifter
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I need a little (or a lot :)) of help y’all. Here’s the deal:

I am about 6’1" 310lbs, I used to lift all the time, and I think that that is why no one can believe I weight 310lbs, everyone guesses (without fail) around 250 - 260 lbs. (Very wide shoulders and a little height coupled with some decent muscle mass)…Anyway…

I NEED (for reasons to remain untold, but serious nonetheless)to lose 60lbs. in 90 days…Right off the bat let me say this…this is not for some stupid mail in your photo competition or anything involving me hopefully getting picked to win some cash and secondly, I WILL LOSE THE WEIGHT,…NOTHING WILL STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING…If I haven’t lost the amount I need by midnight of the 89th day, I’m cutting something off, THE WEIGHT WILL BE GONE.

I am turning to you guys as it appears that the people here tell you the truth and what works, I have NO TIME to hear how unhealthy it might be, or if you think that it is impossible, just save it. If you know of something that WILL HELP, please share it

What about about the Velocity Diet, or get shredded or what ever.

A little more background: I used to be in excellent shape, many thought I should compete. Due to economic conditions …:)(I needed money) I started working 2 full time jobs (still am)about 1 1/2 years ago, I work a bare minimum of 20 hours a day 5 days a week and 12 - 14 hours the other 2 days a week. So a year and a half later in sleep deprivation mode and poor food choices has left me in the shape below. Also, understand that my schedule is not going to change either.

What’cha got ya’ll?

What’cha got ya’ll

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VD & Get shredded are not for you. Those diets are aimed at people trying to get into single digit body fat level…at least the VD is.

Anyway, first follow these guidelines.

  1. Eat every 2-3 hours, no matter what. You should eat between 5-8 meals per day.

  2. Eat complete (containing all the essential amino acids), lean protein with each meal.

  3. Eat fruits and/or vegetables with each food meal.

  4. Ensure that your carbohydrate intake comes from fruits and vegetables. Exception: workout and post-workout drinks and meals.

  5. Ensure that 25-35% of your energy intake comes from fat, with your fat intake split equally between saturates (e.g. animal fat), monounsaturates (e.g., olive oil), and polyunsaturates (e.g. flax oil, salmon oil).

  6. Drink only non-calorie containing beverages, the best choices being water and green tea.

  7. Eat mostly whole foods (except workout and post-workout drinks).

Get some BCAA’s, fish oils and a multivitamin.

Find gym program - anything at this stage to get your heart pumping and then hit the gym 3-4 days a week.

Have you got time to go the the gym and to setup a proper diet?

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Sorry, man, but if you’re carrying that much baggage in the front at 6’1", nobody thinks you’re 250lbs. I’m 6’1", and at my absolute fattest, I came in around 250 and wasn’t nearly that large. You’ve got stretch marks on your belly and moobs.

RSG’s post pretty much says it all… I really wish you the best of luck, but that’s a tall order you’re setting for yourself.

Let me ask this… let’s say you never posted here or nobody replied… what do you have in mind right now that you’re planning to do to reach your goal?

Best of luck,
Bob

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I think your bulking stage is over!

Actually you don’t look that bad, and what you aim for is quite likely do-able but man, it is going to take some focus.

You are looking at losing 5 pounds per week for 12 weeks

If you have ever seen those “Biggest Loser” programs, the contestants lost weight at that kind of rate. Some, faster.

Your existing/past muscle is going to help a lot

You need to completely utterly control your diet.

If you can do it, spend 3 weeks planning a trip to the arctic, pre package all your food, get a sled and drag that sucker across the ice for 2 months.

Otherwise good luck

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If all you want to do is lose weight, then starve yourself. Once your body goes into starvation mode, your body will try to hang on to fat and it will sacrifice muscle and since muscle weighs more than fat, the best way to lose weight is to starve.

If what you want to do is lose fat, then it gets more interesting. That’s why you should eat small meals six times a day, to avoid starvation response even in severe calorie restriction. Combine that method with complete protein and low glycemic carbs and you also avoid insulin spikes which favor fat deposition.

Add in fish oil which helps your fat cells release their stored fat and now you’ve got a pretty good plan going. Top it off with HIT which keeps your metabolism pumped and you’re pretty much doing everything you can.

If you’ve never counted calories before I would suggest you check out nutritiondata.com and use the Daily Needs Calculator to get an idea of where you’re at and the Food Category Explorer to help you in your food selections.

Good luck!

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[quote]Rogue Warrior wrote:I NEED (for reasons to remain untold, but serious nonetheless)to lose 60lbs. in 90 days…

I have NO TIME to hear how unhealthy it might be, or if you think that it is impossible, just save it. If you know of something that WILL HELP, please share it

What about about the Velocity Diet, or get shredded or what ever.[/quote]

PUT YOURSELF INTO LISTENING MODE.

What happydog48 and rsg said. And what my own experience says:

If you are losing more than 2lbs of scale weight a week YOU ARE LOSING MUSCLE MASS.

Velocity diet/Get Shredded are not for you – they are for people who are trying to get from 12% bodyfat to 6% bodyfat. Note also that Berardi says NO MORE THAN 2 LBS A WEEK. OR YOU ARE LOSING MUSCLE (which is a real bad thing)

You need to get your nutrition straightened out. That doesn’t mean longterm living on protein shakes and metamucil powder.

Here is what it is going to look like.

5 to 6 meals a day
Adequate amt of protein (say AT LEAST 1g per lb of lean body mass)
Low Glycemic Carbs (i.e non starch fruits and vegs)
Good Fats (omega 3, olive oil almonds avocado etc)

You will try to get most of that from whole foods, but given your time constraints some high quality protein shakes/supps will help out a lot.

********I highly recommend that you immediately order this book:

Dr. John Berardi’s “The Metabolism Advantage: An 8-Week Program to Rev Up Your Body’s Fat-Burning Machine—At Any Age”

Around 17.00 at Amazon, and price gets you access to a terrific online forum.

The book explains it all, gives you a meal plan, gives you a workout, etc

Once you register for the forum, you will find an online calculator that will help you calculate your calorie needs and protein/carb/fat ratios.

As you know, Dr. Berardi writes for T-Nation and his stuff works.

BEST OF LUCK!

ON EDIT – better amazon link

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Ya’ll are awesome, it is unbelievable how quickly you responded with quality input.

First, I am telling you, the picture perhaps does not give the perspective, but NO ONE guesses my weight correctly, it is always 250-260, seriously…anyway it is not important. I was thinking of the V- diet, ut you guys are bringing in some good points, and I am forced to remember a time in my life I don’t really want to…

As I mentioned before economic hardships made me work 2 jobs, fine…during those hard times prior to the 2 jobs (for about 2 months) I was pretty much homeless (literally), my family stayed in Oregon while I went to Washington to find work, after gas and everything to get there, I had about $2/day to live off of until my first check, which was 5 weeks a way…(I was scared S’'tless, but I found a special on cans of tuna and was able to buy enough that I ate 6 cans a day for about 6 weeks (and I mean straight out of the can),

The shape that I got in was phenomenal!! looking back and looking at the nutritional value of tuna and the time constraint here,… maybe its time again. UUUGGGHHH God I hate tuna that way…

Again, thank you very much, keep 'em coming, you guys are great, I will recommend this site!!!

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I’ve heard (not on this site) about doing a juice fast for rapid weight loss. basically buy a juicer and swear off solid foods for an extended period of time. you do enamas and stuff to keep your bowels healthy. anyways, losing that kind of weight sounds kinda sketchy, but probbably better than cutting off an arm or a leg.

they say you have up to 10 lbs of misc. “stuff” in your intestines that you lose on this diet.

also, you could probbably lose another 10-15 lbs in your last day or two due to water weight.

problem with this diet is (among the obvious) that you probbably won’t have the energy to exercise, so your muscle will probbably diminish quite a bit.

but if you do something like that, you would need to lose 40 more lbs of fat/muscle in 90 days (~13 weeks). that’s about 3 pounds a week, which is more attainable.

i wouldn’t recommend this strategy, since i don’t think it’s worth some bet you made with a friend or meeting up with your internet girlfriend or whatever you think is more important than your health. but 3 pounds a week is probbably doable at your size over the short term with proper diet and exercise, and you could maybe employ a juice fast for the last 7 days or something and sweat out 10 lbs or so in the last day.

if you do actually end up trying to lose this weight, please post your progress so we can follow along.

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He is over 300 lbs! The 2lb per week rule doesn’t work for obese people. He could lose more than that per week easily and not lose any muscle.

Just keep your activity up. Fast walks and a clean diet low cal diet. Lift weights 3 times a week. Try to get up to walking inclines fast.

Good luck!

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Alright, here it is VERY Roughly, the tuna it is, about 6 cans a day and an post work out shake, possibly HOT-ROX or something like that to help the metabolism along. I will, however make the tuna into a salad with organic spinach or lettuce, possibly some beans, I don’t know, I’ll mix it up, just enough to change the taste a little.

Lot’s of water, no salt, and a good hard work out daily with cardio being the focal point. No more sodas perhaps a cup of coffee prior to the workout other than that it’s water and yerba mate tea. What do you think? I will keep you posted, I start tonight at my evening job…Wish me luck!!

Oh by the way, it’s not a stupid bet and I am extremely happily married to one of world’s great women, and the where I am at physically IS THE UNHEALTHY PART, not the dropping it fast, but, thanks for the concern, seriously.

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If I were in your shoes…

walk two hours a day with weighted vest, or heavy backpack.

lift weights three days a week.

tabata method, hiit, some sort of conditioning twice a week.

Velocity diet. Or just consume less than 50 grams of carbohydrates a day. 
 If I were you this is exactly what I would do.
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[quote]Rogue Warrior wrote:
Alright, here it is VERY Roughly, the tuna it is, about 6 cans a day …[/quote]

Too much tuna due to the mercury.

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Happydog is completely correct on this. I had stomach surgery and was not able to eat or drink by mouth for 6 weeks. I was given nutrition using intravenous methods, and I lost 55 lbs in 6 weeks. I had about the same amount of bodyfat as I did before the surgery, so I knew that I lost muscle.
The idea of losing so much weight so quick is no ideal, as it will be harder to maintain the weightloss assuming you do it. You will need to make serious adjustments to your food and exercise choices.

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CARDIO!!! get your heart rate going every day. you can do it man stay focused to it. you can do it. hit the weights that way you can see some muscle as you lose the fat. nothing but water to drink. go for it bro

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[quote]Rogue Warrior wrote:
Alright, here it is VERY Roughly, the tuna it is, about 6 cans a day and an post work out shake, possibly HOT-ROX or something like that to help the metabolism along.[/quote]

Let me again recommend Dr. John Berardi’s “The Metabolism Advantage: An 8-Week Program to Rev Up Your Body’s Fat-Burning Machine—At Any Age”

This book will tell you how your body works and how it needs to be fed.

Even if you decide to reject everything in it, please read it. It is easy to read, and only costs 17.00.

At least then you would be educated about yr metabolism and what you need to do to lose weight and keep your body healthy.

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ON EDIT – better amazon link

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Needing to lose a certain amount of weight in a given time (no matter what the reason) should be thought of as a stunt and the methods used are extreme. None of this has anything to do with health. The “all tuna with a few carbs thrown in” diet is certainly not a healthy diet.

If being healthy is something that matters to you, then you’ll need to educate yourself about nutrition, since good nutrition is the cornerstone to a healthy lifestyle; especially as we get older. If you want to permanently change your body composition, then you need to permanently change your eating habits.

Everyone thinks they know how to eat right, but unless you’ve actually read into it, you don’t. If you want to keep the fat off permanently and be healthy, then you need to study up… and there’s no getting around that.

I strongly recommend you start with “The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs.”

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459493

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[quote]happydog48 wrote:
Needing to lose a certain amount of weight in a given time (no matter what the reason) should be thought of as a stunt and the methods used are extreme. None of this has anything to do with health. The “all tuna with a few carbs thrown in” diet is certainly not a healthy diet.

If being healthy is something that matters to you, then you’ll need to educate yourself about nutrition, since good nutrition is the cornerstone to a healthy lifestyle; especially as we get older. If you want to permanently change your body composition, then you need to permanently change your eating habits.

Everyone thinks they know how to eat right, but unless you’ve actually read into it, you don’t. If you want to keep the fat off permanently and be healthy, then you need to study up… and there’s no getting around that.

I strongly recommend you start with “The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Nutritional Programs.”

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459493[/quote]

Thank you for the comments (and the concern), however, as stated when I first got on here: My reasons for doing this are my own and the importance of this event places it far above a mere “stunt”. When I first got on here I stated that this IS GOING TO HAPPEN in the next 90 days, or else.

I understand that this is not the long -lasting, text book “correct” way of losing the weight, and quite honestly I do not have time to listen to that, I am EXTREMELY WELL VERSED in the proper way of losing weight.

Once this “deal” or “thing” is overwith, I will then pursue a more long-term, intelligent course of action, I will cross that bridge when I get there. What I was looking for (and got from the awesome members of this forum, including yourself) was information concerning a specific issue that I had not “purposely” thought about, and implemented.

Again, thank you to all of!

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I am assuming this is based solely on weight, not on fat. And if that is your goal, then I would do the following:

Go on the T-Dawg diet.
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=243tdawg2

This is a great diet, and people have had a lot of success with it. Keep it up for 60 days, then go ahead and jump into the V-Diet for the last 4 weeks.

I would recommend taking your temperature every morning at the same time, and keeping a log. If your temperature starts to drop, it could mean your metabolism is slowing down, and you may need to temporarily up your calories.

Adjust your calories every 2 weeks until you start the V-Diet.

Make sure to avoid salt in the last week, as salt will make you hold water.

In fact, it may be a good idea to get a little dehydrated the last couple of days, just be careful if you go that rout, but it is possible to lose an additional 10 lbs or more, but it will come back the second you start drinking water again. Again this could be dangerous, so be careful if you try it. It might be a good idea to have Gatorade or some other electrolyte drink available for after you are successful.

As far as exercise, I have had success with meltdown training, but Alessi, who designed the programs, wrote about a quicker weight loss program spending 8 weeks alternating between meltdown I and II.

Here is the quote:

Training
Week 1 and 2:
AM: Meltdown Training I, alternate Day 1 and 2 three times per week (6 sessions)
PM: Meltdown Training I, lactic-acid interval training or sparring (6 sessions)
Week 3 and 4:
AM: Meltdown Training II, as written, 3 days per week
PM: Meltdown Training II, as written, 3 days per week
Week 5 and 6:
Same as Week 1 and 2
Week 7 and 8:
Same as week 3 and 4

In your case I would advise dropping the weight training for the last month, and start doing aerobics, and HIIT training. This will burn off some muscle, also reducing your weight. After you make the weight you can rebuild that muscle.

Here are the links to the Meltdown articles.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459809

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460128

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If you’re bound and determined to do this as you claim you are, I recommend the Radical Diet. A hardcore version of the Anabolic Diet/Metabolic Diet/Anabolic Solution by Dr. Mauro Dipasquale. There’s a HUGE thread on the anabolic diet in the Nutrition/Supplement category.

Just read the thread and buy the books. I’d recommend the Anabolic Solution for Bodybuilders and the Radical Diet for you.

Essentially, it’s the most focused diet on quickly losing fat while retaining muscle that I’ve ever personally used. Your results may vary.

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Cut the carbs out ASAP!
Only a ketogenic diet will make you drop fat fast.
Its no fun,not “healthy” long term but it works!
As suggested, the radical diet or the good 'ol Body Opus diet.
You’ll need some fatburner/ apetite supresor too.