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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

And you are coming across as a kid who shows up at someone else’s game and demands they all take their balls and go home because you don’t play that game where you come from and therefore don’t expect anyone else to either.

Hmmmm…as far condemning tradition…lemme think if I can come up with an example of one in this country…hmmmmm…yes, I think I just came up with a trump card…I wonder if any Spanish folks might condemn the fact that 49 million human babies have been pickled, dismembered and vacuumed from the womb since 1973 in the US? Every one of 'em likely feeling more pain than El Toro.

With that in mind maybe you are “right” and I’m “wrong” about this notion of condemning social practices. I concede.[/quote]

No, I am not telling the other kid he is an asshat for expressing his opinion, like you are.

And you are beyond the pale with comparing abortion to a form of entertainment.

If you don’t have a good argument for endorsing animal abuse, that you just like it and see it as sport and entertainment, then fine, but don’t go for the abortion angle.

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You never saw me call anyone an asshat. Watch out with the dissemination of lies; it does you no good.

Entertainment? Convenience? Is there really any difference?

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True, you just called anyone that wasn’t in support of animal abuse a whiner.

And yah, stupid to even suggest that abortion and bullfighting are just forms of entertainment.

Are you unaware of the difference between convenience (your word, not my opinion) and entertainment. Man that is sad if you don’t know the difference Push.

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“It is wrong to kill animals.”

“No abortion is bad.”

Does this sound like a logical train of thought to have? Anyone?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

And you are coming across as a kid who shows up at someone else’s game and demands they all take their balls and go home because you don’t play that game where you come from and therefore don’t expect anyone else to either.

Hmmmm…as far condemning tradition…lemme think if I can come up with an example of one in this country…hmmmmm…yes, I think I just came up with a trump card…I wonder if any Spanish folks might condemn the fact that 49 million human babies have been pickled, dismembered and vacuumed from the womb since 1973 in the US? Every one of 'em likely feeling more pain than El Toro.

With that in mind maybe you are “right” and I’m “wrong” about this notion of condemning social practices. I concede.[/quote]

No, I am not telling the other kid he is an asshat for expressing his opinion, like you are.

And you are beyond the pale with comparing abortion to a form of entertainment.

If you don’t have a good argument for endorsing animal abuse, that you just like it and see it as sport and entertainment, then fine, but don’t go for the abortion angle.

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You never saw me call anyone an asshat. Watch out with the dissemination of lies; it does you no good.

Entertainment? Convenience? Is there really any difference?

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True, you just called anyone that wasn’t in support of animal abuse a whiner.

And yah, stupid to even suggest that abortion and bullfighting are just forms of entertainment.

Are you unaware of the difference between convenience (your word, not my opinion) and entertainment. Man that is sad if you don’t know the difference Push.
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Point is if a Spanish T-Nation member got on here and started condemning the cruel practice of pickling babies in a brine until they died and then vacuuming their body parts out to be hauled down to the hospital incinerator you would be livid and tell him to mind his own business! Americans have rights, you know!

And then he might very well demand you abstain from sermonizing about Spanish bullfighting.

Like I said, with all that in mind I have to concede.[/quote]

rationalization fail. Your analogy doesn’t work, most analogies don’t.

You’ve clearly stated you support someone’s right to torture animals for entertainment.

Then you have tried to compare it to a medical procedure. Just weak sauce.

I got your opinion. For you, animal torture is okay if it is traditional.

I don’t agree with you. I do not support animal torture for entertainment.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

True, you just called anyone that wasn’t in support of animal abuse a whiner.

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Awesome misrepresentation of my point. My point was not that if you didn’t “support animal abuse” you were a whiner; my point was other countries have traditions that may be different than yours and you may dislike - get over it.[/quote]

My opinion to not be supportive of animal torture isn’t going to change. It is black and white. There isn’t anything to get over.

And yes… you did call those that didn’t support the tradition, whiners.

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[quote]DaveyD wrote:
He is arguing that right and wrong is relative. It’s a stupid argument. Case closed.[/quote]

I disagree with Push but its not a stupid argument. Right and wrong are relative. The Amish probably think we are all so full of shit with our carousing on the sabbath and fornicating and whatnot.

By the way I had heard that Bulls who win the fight are retired? Can anyone confirm this? Seems (relatively) fair to me. Probably depends on the locale too.

Still though. Iberian machismo give me a fucking break.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

rationalization fail. Your analogy doesn’t work, most analogies don’t.[/quote]

I’m confident my analogy didn’t work. For you.

For others it may have worked just fine. The analogy of my analogy is “You might wanna take care of the beam in thine eye 'fore you get all riled up 'bout the splinter in someone else’s.” Believe it or not I did NOT think that one up. It was around before I came along.[quote]

You’ve clearly stated you support someone’s right to torture animals for entertainment. [/quote]

I clearly stated my support for the Spanish to participate in a sport, however abhorrent it may be to a fine lookin’ woman from southern California, that they have ingrained in their culture for hundreds of years.[quote]

I don’t agree with you. [/quote]

Likewise. But I doubt it’s the first or the last time. It’ll be OK thought. I won’t holed it agin ya.

Then if I were you I would stay on my toes and fight it tooth and nail if it ever starts to gain acceptance in California.
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I don’t see it happening here.

I would ask anyone that sees the correlation between abortion and bullfighting to explain it to me. I consider myself a fairly intelligent person and it just doesn’t work for me.

You support traditions of other countries, you support this tradition, this tradition is the torture of animals, you support the torture of animals.

I promise I do support the tradition of those flag tossing thing they do in Italy. See I can respect a foreign country’s tradition, I just don’t universally support every tradition because it exists.

Of course I don’t hold this against you. I just think you are wrong, just like you think I am wrong in not respecting a tradition.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

If I were Spanish I would flat out not give a fuck.

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I am sure they don’t. I get that.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
When I was a boy living in north Georgia me and me pals used to go frog giggin’. We’d take a broom handle and attach a sharp trident to one end. Then we’d grab a lantern and go wading around in the Georgia swamps at night evading cottonmouths and copperheads.

We’d find them innocent frogs and spear ‘em good. Sometimes we’d eat ‘em. Sometimes we didn’t. We had a blast. We were huntin’ and killin’ animals for the sheer fun of it.

And you know what? I’d do it all over again if I had the chance.

Again, you may sue me in Montana civil court for being a dirty animal killin’ bastard. Don’t try the case in a Georgia civil court though; you won’t win.[/quote]

homespun homily fail

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
When I was a boy living in north Georgia me and me pals used to go frog giggin’. We’d take a broom handle and attach a sharp trident to one end. Then we’d grab a lantern and go wading around in the Georgia swamps at night evading cottonmouths and copperheads.

We’d find them innocent frogs and spear ‘em good. Sometimes we’d eat ‘em. Sometimes we didn’t. We had a blast. We were huntin’ and killin’ animals for the sheer fun of it.

And you know what? I’d do it all over again if I had the chance.

Again, you may sue me in Montana civil court for being a dirty animal killin’ bastard. Don’t try the case in a Georgia civil court though; you won’t win.[/quote]

frogs don’t have long beautiful eyelashes.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

…I would ask anyone that sees the correlation between abortion and bullfighting to explain it to me. I consider myself a fairly intelligent person and it just doesn’t work for me…

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There is no correlation between abortion and bullfighting per se.

There IS a correlation between one culture finding a tradition in another culture to be abhorrent.

Make you a deal…if I can find a culture somewhere in this world that finds abortion in the US reprehensible and disgusting will you respect the folks in that culture to the extent that you will give up your support for abortion? Or will you flat out not give a fuck?
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Fail Push.

Abortion is not a tradition. It isn’t as if on the summer solstice the fetus is aborted to celebrate the fertility gods.

total weak sauce