I hope more bulls win like this.
There is no reason to stab and torture the bull to demonstrate grace and agility. They can use their capes and show how they dance around the bulls. There are also the types of bullfighting where the matadors have to snatch rosettes off the bulls head, no torture involved.
Push, it’s torture, it’s right up there with dog fighting.
Good for the bull. Now throw more of the spectators in the pens to get stomped and gored.
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[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
so did anyone see what i did there with the first post?!?! come on people[/quote]
Doesn’t get points because a cow is a female and has no horns, and this was a bull. You actually lose points now because you sat around waiting for people to pat you on the back.[/quote]
Seriously.
We get it - the guy got creamed. But you trying to milk your joke for more laughs is pure and udder bullshit.
Moo hoo, get over it.[/quote]
I lol’d.
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haha fair enough i actually didnt even realize it til after so i wanted to see if anyone else realized it…can i get these points back???
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I hope more bulls win like this.
There is no reason to stab and torture the bull to demonstrate grace and agility. They can use their capes and show how they dance around the bulls. There are also the types of bullfighting where the matadors have to snatch rosettes off the bulls head, no torture involved.
Push, it’s torture, it’s right up there with dog fighting.
Good for the bull. Now throw more of the spectators in the pens to get stomped and gored.[/quote]
This.
Commercial slaughter for food can be justified. Prancing around like a twat while wearing tights can not.
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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Push, it’s torture, it’s right up there with dog fighting.
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I’ve been around these big boys. They don’t feel pain like you and I do. Don’t succumb to the false sense that comes with anthropomorphism.[/quote]
Don’t you rationalize animal torture. And stop saying people are whining. They aren’t, some of us are just disgusted with animal abuse for entertainment.
[quote]Bullfighting guide The Bulletpoint Bullfight warns that bullfighting is “not for the squeamish,” advising spectators to “be prepared for blood.” The guide details prolonged and profuse bleeding caused by horse-mounted lancers, the charging by the bull of a blindfolded, armored horse who is “sometimes doped up, and unaware of the proximity of the bull”, the placing of barbed darts by banderilleros, followed by the matador’s fatal sword thrust.
The guide stresses that these procedures are a normal part of bullfighting and that death is rarely instantaneous. The guide further warns those attending bullfights to “Be prepared to witness various failed attempts at killing the animal before it lies down.”[/quote]
Anyone who thinks there is no cruelty there is severely divorced from reality.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Bullfighting guide The Bulletpoint Bullfight warns that bullfighting is “not for the squeamish,” advising spectators to “be prepared for blood.” The guide details prolonged and profuse bleeding caused by horse-mounted lancers, the charging by the bull of a blindfolded, armored horse who is “sometimes doped up, and unaware of the proximity of the bull”, the placing of barbed darts by banderilleros, followed by the matador’s fatal sword thrust.
The guide stresses that these procedures are a normal part of bullfighting and that death is rarely instantaneous. The guide further warns those attending bullfights to “Be prepared to witness various failed attempts at killing the animal before it lies down.”[/quote]
Anyone who thinks there is no cruelty there is severely divorced from reality.[/quote]
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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Push, it’s torture, it’s right up there with dog fighting.
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I’ve been around these big boys. They don’t feel pain like you and I do. Don’t succumb to the false sense that comes with anthropomorphism.[/quote]
Don’t you rationalize animal torture. And stop saying people are whining. They aren’t, some of us are just disgusted with animal abuse for entertainment.
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I get tired of foreigners on this site whining about what goes on internally in the US so I aim to be consistent. I’ll be damned if I’m going to whine about a Spanish tradition that goes back hundreds of years and I don’t mind pointing out whining done by others.
Disgust = whining in this case.[/quote]
It is beyond ridiculous to stand behind something because it is “tradition”.
Lots of things that are horrible are “tradition”, that does not make them right.
You are wrong in this case Push. It is animal abuse for entertainment.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Push, it’s torture, it’s right up there with dog fighting.
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I’ve been around these big boys. They don’t feel pain like you and I do. Don’t succumb to the false sense that comes with anthropomorphism.[/quote]
Don’t you rationalize animal torture. And stop saying people are whining. They aren’t, some of us are just disgusted with animal abuse for entertainment.
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I get tired of foreigners on this site whining about what goes on internally in the US so I aim to be consistent. I’ll be damned if I’m going to whine about a Spanish tradition that goes back hundreds of years and I don’t mind pointing out whining done by others.
Disgust = whining in this case.[/quote]
It is beyond ridiculous to stand behind something because it is “tradition”.
Lots of things that are horrible are “tradition”, that does not make them right.
You are wrong in this case Push. It is animal abuse for entertainment.
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It’s their country. Their bulls. Their matadors. Their culture. Leave 'em alone.
We don’t need a posse of do-gooders circlin’ the globe, banner held high, drums a-beatin’, trumpets a-tootin’, trying to correct all the “injustices” in everyone’s culture everywhere all the time, whinin’ whinin’ whinin.[/quote]
Don’t be ridiculous. Are you saying I shouldn’t have an opinion or condemn a practice or abuse because it isn’t my country? I can give you a whole list of things that I would bet you would condemn that are traditional practices in foreign countries.
And stop attacking those with opposing views. State your opinion but then don’t turn around and call those who don’t agree with you whiners.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Push, it’s torture, it’s right up there with dog fighting.
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I’ve been around these big boys. They don’t feel pain like you and I do. Don’t succumb to the false sense that comes with anthropomorphism.[/quote]
Don’t you rationalize animal torture. And stop saying people are whining. They aren’t, some of us are just disgusted with animal abuse for entertainment.
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I get tired of foreigners on this site whining about what goes on internally in the US so I aim to be consistent. I’ll be damned if I’m going to whine about a Spanish tradition that goes back hundreds of years and I don’t mind pointing out whining done by others.
Disgust = whining in this case.[/quote]
It is beyond ridiculous to stand behind something because it is “tradition”.
Lots of things that are horrible are “tradition”, that does not make them right.
You are wrong in this case Push. It is animal abuse for entertainment.
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It’s their country. Their bulls. Their matadors. Their culture. Leave 'em alone.
We don’t need a posse of do-gooders circlin’ the globe, banner held high, drums a-beatin’, trumpets a-tootin’, trying to correct all the “injustices” in everyone’s culture everywhere all the time, whinin’ whinin’ whinin.[/quote]
Don’t be ridiculous. Are you saying I shouldn’t have an opinion or condemn a practice or abuse because it isn’t my country? I can give you a whole list of things that I would bet you would condemn that are traditional practices in foreign countries.
And stop attacking those with opposing views. State your opinion but then don’t turn around and call those who don’t agree with you whiners.
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I’m not attacking those with opposing views. I’m stating an opinion and condemning the practice of whining about other cultures because their social norms don’t line up with yours.
So I guess I’m doing what you say you’re doing - opining and condemning. Maybe I’m even whining about others whining. (Yikes)
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You are coming across as a kid that is about to take his ball and go home because the other kid doesn’t want to play the way you do.
And again, I know damn well there are practices in foreign countries that you would condemn even though they are tradition. So don’t make a statement as if you are universally supporting things because of “tradition”. You are picking and choosing what traditions you would stand behind.
Tradition can’t be messed with, especially from another country. That’s just . . . wrong.
In my absolutely uneducated, inexperienced, nancy-ass, limp-wristed, never-been-‘round-no’-reg’lar cows and bulls, I call shenanigans.
How is torturing an animal acceptable? Regardless of pain experienced, the animals are still being stressed, as in fight-or-flight-never-feels-good kinda stress.
It’s not PC to point out the absolute bullshit in a tradition, regardless of age or country of origin. That’s what I would expect a Ttestosterone-Nation reading man" to do. You know, call bullshit on bullshit.
Yeah, they clearly don’t suffer.
Not after being lanced behind the neck.
Not after having barbed sticks planted in their shoulders.
Certainly not after being stabbed between the shoulder blades.
Humane.
He is arguing that right and wrong is relative. It’s a stupid argument. Case closed.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
And you are coming across as a kid who shows up at someone else’s game and demands they all take their balls and go home because you don’t play that game where you come from and therefore don’t expect anyone else to either.
Hmmmm…as far condemning tradition…lemme think if I can come up with an example of one in this country…hmmmmm…yes, I think I just came up with a trump card…I wonder if any Spanish folks might condemn the fact that 49 million human babies have been pickled, dismembered and vacuumed from the womb since 1973 in the US? Every one of 'em likely feeling more pain than El Toro.
With that in mind maybe you are “right” and I’m “wrong” about this notion of condemning social practices. I concede.[/quote]
No, I am not telling the other kid he is an asshat for expressing his opinion, like you are.
And you are beyond the pale with comparing abortion to a form of entertainment.
If you don’t have a good argument for endorsing animal abuse, that you just like it and see it as sport and entertainment, then fine, but don’t go for the abortion angle.
EDIT: the abortion thing was so much weak sauce
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He is arguing that right and wrong is relative. It’s a stupid argument. Case closed.[/quote]
He says he is standing behind his rule of not condemning other countries traditions whether or not they are right or wrong, just blindly being okay with traditions because it is that countries tradition.