Gored Matador

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]lock_solid wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]mattregan wrote:
I love that!! Too bad he’s expected to live, because we know the bull didn’t. Maybe the gaping hole in his neck & jaw will make him think twice. I also cheer for the bull in the running of… The more they can take with them the better. Just because something has been a tradition for many years doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

And we must insist on everything in this world being “right,” must we not? Let us strive for a perfectly “right” world.

Hate to break the news to innocent ears and eyes but cattle are intentionally killed all o’er da globe every single day. Why should El Toro get a pass?[/quote]

Necessity perhaps?

Feeding general populations vs feeding a perverse pleasure. Im sure your argue back is since when is beef a necessity? And then it will turn into a vegeterian vs meat eater argument…

But to avoid all the bullshit arguing, you cant deny the difference between killing livestock for the purpose of feeding vs killing a bull slowly in front of a braindead audience will no end result other than amusement.
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Guarantee you the meat from that bull gets used for food for someone.

Get over all the PC whining. Or join Estrogen Nation.[/quote]

It does. I’ve heard the animal is butchered then the meat is given to the poor, I can’t confirm that though. However, I do know that the meat from the bull is put to use.

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ACTUAL VIDEO:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=73b_1274541651

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Jesus! That was gnarley.

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As far as I know, the bulls are abused days prior to the actual fight to make them weaker and easier to destroy. Then, as anyone who knows a damn about bullfighting can tell, the bull is abused in front of the live audience and eventually killed only somewhat quickly (assuming everything goes right). It is glorified animal abuse but it’s still animal abuse. Comparing that to slaughter is dubious, although slaughter can be cruel but that’s not the point. Ritual slaughter as practiced by jews and muslims? You may have a point as that is considered cruel by animal welfare advocates.

Another fucked up event is the “running of the bulls” where people run in the streets with bulls and often end up stomped or mauled. Eventually the bull may be set on fire, castrated or otherwise tortured before the slaying.

I feel bad for the matador. Not that it was not his own fault.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
so did anyone see what i did there with the first post?!?! come on people[/quote]

Doesn’t get points because a cow is a female and has no horns, and this was a bull. You actually lose points now because you sat around waiting for people to pat you on the back.[/quote]

Seriously.

We get it - the guy got creamed. But you trying to milk your joke for more laughs is pure and udder bullshit.

Moo hoo, get over it.[/quote]

I lol’d.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:Guarantee you the meat from that bull gets used for food for someone.

Get over all the PC whining. Or join Estrogen Nation.[/quote]

Again, there’s a difference. Acknowledge that the “PC whining” is understandable. Or join Dumbfuck Redneck Nation.

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[quote]Alffi wrote:
As far as I know, the bulls are abused days prior to the actual fight to make them weaker and easier to destroy. Then, as anyone who knows a damn about bullfighting can tell, the bull is abused in front of the live audience and eventually killed only somewhat quickly (assuming everything goes right). It is glorified animal abuse but it’s still animal abuse. Comparing that to slaughter is dubious, although slaughter can be cruel but that’s not the point. Ritual slaughter as practiced by jews and muslims? You may have a point as that is considered cruel by animal welfare advocates.

Another fucked up event is the “running of the bulls” where people run in the streets with bulls and often end up stomped or mauled. Eventually the bull may be set on fire, castrated or otherwise tortured before the slaying.

I feel bad for the matador. Not that it was not his own fault.[/quote]

The cattle killed for you to eat is rendered unconscious then hung upside down and practically decapitated. That’s the pinnacle of humane treatment of animals, isn’t it?

Bulls used in bullfighting[in Spain] aren’t weakened before the bullfighting nor are bulls tortured during the running of the bulls. The only thing to weaken the bulls is the bullfighting itself, however the selection process for the bulls favors the matadors and bulls are chosen that will essentially be optimal for bullfighting rather than bulls that are too aggressive or fast.

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good call on the liveleak federalist

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fed pays me for posting in his threads.

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[quote]thefederalist wrote:
fucking epic

whats your name on /fit/

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Anybody who says bullfighting is equivalent to commercial beef slaughter full of shit.

I saw a bullfight in Spain and there is a big procession where the bull is continually stabbed and speared by sharp objects until the matador gets in there with his little sword. First its guys on horses, then a team of guys, and by the time the guy gets in there one on one, the bull is exhausted, injured, and bleeding.

Not exactly humane but I think its a cool tradition. I’m glad the guy got gored as it wouldn’t be such a cool tradition if the chance of death and dismemberment wasn’t there.

They also have bull gymnastics which I think is more entertaining than bullfighting:

I doubt the bull really cares about his honor either for the guy who mentioned the bull dying an honorably death. If I was a bull, I’d rather be banging cows and taking naps in the field rather than being attacked by a bunch of idiots with sharp objects.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Then he got to compete in front of an audience to showcase his skills and intrepidity. Sounds like a whale of a life to me…if I were a bull.
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LOL!

Oh wait, you’re serious aren’t you?

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[quote]Mascherano wrote:

[quote]mattregan wrote:
I love that!! Too bad he’s expected to live, because we know the bull didn’t. Maybe the gaping hole in his neck & jaw will make him think twice. I also cheer for the bull in the running of… The more they can take with them the better. Just because something has been a tradition for many years doesn’t make it right.[/quote]

True. But its couched in myth and ceremony. So its actually pretty cool.[/quote]

i’ve been to spain a bit and seen bull fights. myth and ceremony are just BS excuses for the spanish to torture and kill a bull, and try to feel like a man. nobody there is watching the mystery of the message of the story of the allegory of man against beast.

nobody is enraptured by the glory of the ceremony. they have fucking hard-ons getting off on the blood and the gore. go to a bullfight and see how you feel. you’ll leave feeling like you need a shower and mouthwash.

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[quote]theuofh wrote:
Anybody who says bullfighting is equivalent to commercial beef slaughter full of shit. [/quote]

I saw a bullfight in Spain and there is a big procession where the bull is continually stabbed and speared by sharp objects until the matador gets in there with his little sword. First its guys on horses, then a team of guys, and by the time the guy gets in there one on one, the bull is exhausted, injured, and bleeding.

Not exactly humane but I think its a cool tradition. I’m glad the guy got gored as it wouldn’t be such a cool tradition if the chance of death and dismemberment wasn’t there. [/quote]

How is one better than the other? In bullfighting the bull just takes a lengthier journey to being butchered, it’s also given the opportunity to live. If a bull performs well it’ll be retired from bullfighting and used to breed.

Bullfighting isn’t about brute strength, it’s a performance. The matador is only supposed to entertain the crowd then kill the bull. The bull is weakened so that the matador can perform and to try to ensure the safety of the matador.

However, the bull can only be weakened to a certain degree before the actual matador enters the ring. It’s not quite possible for a man with a small sword to just enter the ring without observing the bull then defend himself against a 1,000+ pound bull, that would remove all showmanship and entertainment from the event.

The picadors and banderilleros only really weaken the bulls neck anyway, causing too much damage to the bull[so it can’t perform] is viewed as cheating. They just cause the bull to keep its head low and prevent it from having full mobility and power in its neck.

[quote]theuofh wrote: They also have bull gymnastics which I think is more entertaining than bullfighting:

I doubt the bull really cares about his honor either for the guy who mentioned the bull dying an honorably death. If I was a bull, I’d rather be banging cows and taking naps in the field rather than being attacked by a bunch of idiots with sharp objects. [/quote]

Some bulls are retired and that’s is their life after bullfighting. The bulls used in bullfighting are carefully selected and probably have a relatively nice life during their four years: they’re raised free range and live practically undisturbed until they’re tested to see if they’d be used in a bullfight, then those that can’t be used in a bullfight continue to live on the ranch.

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[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
fed pays me for posting in his threads.[/quote]

you can’t resist.