Seriously though, young Eastern European women are gorgeous
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I’ve always thought the Victoria’s secret models were too thin, though that’s just my preference. My father for instance thinks they’re the pinnacle of human beauty.
I think there’s a happy medium to be had within the “body positivity movement”. On one side of the extreme you have the societal pressures that encourage unhealthy behaviour like starvation or PED use to enhance image (with the former being the more lethal of the two if you look up the mortality rates associated with anorexia). On the other extreme you have the “fatceptance” movement of which negates the notion of that pressure, stating “let me be! Health is subjective, I feel happy/optimised in this body”.
But here’s the thing, health in terms of cardiometabolic parameters isn’t subjective. Obesity is directly correlated with insulin resistance, hypertension, cardiovascular disease and more (many of the conditions/mechanisms by which said disease states occur through overlap). By direct correlation I mean… Being fat actually causes this. Just as being a human skeleton or a hormone induced muscle bound gorilla isn’t healthy, being a fat fuck also results in a net reduction in longevity.
The happy medium ought to be encouraging one stays fit/healthy, exercises regularly or maintains an active lifestyle. However many can’t see that, and as we’ve noted unrealistic beauty standards aren’t sustainable or healthy some have opted to strive for the exact opposite… That is doing literally nothing to take care of your appearance.
Hey! Cardi B’s WAP is EMPOWERING! We are taking BACK the patriarchy by promoting exactly what we were trying to eliminate sixty years ago!
Rapinoe looks almost handsome. I have a lesbian friend, but I don’t see so much why Rapinoe is a fashion model. I even also agree with her complaint about female athlete pay.
As to athletic beauty, Ronda Roussey comes to mind. She is fit and gorgeous, not overly chiseled in appearance.
Victoria’s Secret is in business to make women more appealing in the sexual sense, I just don’t see the idea with what they are doing here.
That is surely their brand history.
Looks like they are looking to change that. Either that, or they are looking to change what we find sensual.
Have you ever seen women’s soccer? The term athlete is used very loosely with regard to them.
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Pay should be market driven for sports. If people fill up stadiums and are willing to pay the same price as for male sports, then the players will over time demand that money.
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The USWNT earn more money than USMNT from the US Soccer Federation. Their issue is that they want the Federation to make up the difference between male and female athletes stemming from their club salaries.
Christian Pulisic from USMNT earns more than 10 million per season in Chelsea - should the US Soccer Federation bridge that gap between that and Rapinoe’s salary in a women’s team from Tacoma that no one has ever heard of?
I can’t say I have really been following the league. I am not into soccer/football.
IMO it’s the result of market forces.
If ppl want equality in pay for male and female athletes, they should watch more female sports team games, buy more swag from female teams…
Also WOMEN need to start tuning in. Right now, a majority of sports fans are still males
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This the stadium on which Tottenham Hotspur FC Women (for which the best US WNT player Alex Morgan signed for a short spell) play their home games:
This is the stadium on which Tottenham Hotspur FC (aka the men) play their games:
The size difference is not due to sexism or male supremacy but market forces. And Rapinoe lawsuits can’t change that.
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There’s plenty of ladies in sports that I would have endorsed before Rapinoe.
Like the ones I present to you below. I would give them a big endorsment. Oh yes I’d endorse them all day.
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I was a big high jump fan at the Olympics, purely due to the athletic skills displayed by the contestans and definitely not due to Marie-Louise Jungfleisch.
On a side note, I distinctly remember that in my childhood my mom and grandma watched water polo games with quasi-religious fervor. I never could understand why the sport attracted spectators. Bunch of guys in speedos wrestling in a pool. Who would watch that and why?
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With Victoria Secrets abandoning their brand, I see bankruptcy in their near future.
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They can kiss the Chinese market goodbye. No way will Chinese consumers put up with this “woke” turn. Not the abruptly at least
I think they should abolish gender separation in sports for a couple years. Let men and woman play football together and see who makes it to the top. Maybe that’ll shut her up.
Heh. She doesn’t do it for me.
She does possess high quality athletics skills that are highly watchable.
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I don’t
Despite level headed people adknowledging Victoria’s secret is a brand situated around sex appeal of which obviously uses unrealistic standards of beauty to advertise and market their products, the "woke’’ crowd in media/around Hollywood believes the average person needs to be protected from the harm’s of unrealistic advertising.
I can see where they’re coming from, as a tiny portion of young, impressionable viewers sometimes resort to starvation/other tactics associated with mental illness in effort to achieve an unrealistic, Photoshopped, airbrushed looking body. I don’t think we need such a paternalistic mentality, albeit this is merely my belief.
The average, mentally competent viewer looks at a Victoria’s secret model and automatically knows such a physique is a massive exception to the norm, that most will never look that way. If the average individual views an overweight model advertised wearing clothing brand typically associated with beauty the brand is tarnished as it is no longer associated with beauty.
My belief is that those who probably mean well are trying to shift societal standards of beauty. They have a point (kind of) in that different body types when optimised can be beautiful. Some athletic women are “curvier” whereas others have the classical “runway model look”. Much of this is dictated by bone structure, not much you can do about that. To insinuate “a healthy, relatively lean and active body is a healthy body” would be factual, but to start hiring blatantly unattractive, overweight or excessively thin (this latter is the current paradigm) models is a stretch. A fat body isn’t going to suddenly turn men on unless there is a biological reason/imperative for such a body to be attractive.
A while back I read something about beauty standardization compared by country. They did a survey in a very poor village in God knows which third world country. Men were found to be attracted to overweight or obese women… Why? Because starvation and HIV were rampant in said village. Being overweight signified you were probably of good health, probably didn’t have HIV/aids and could afford or procure food. There was a biological imperative to be attracted to this body.
Amongst immigrants from these villages who had immigrated towards secular, first world society beauty standards were found to have shifted towards conventional norms. What does this mean? Victoria’s secret (probably) won’t be able to make a fat body attractive…
Do I think they’ll lose money over this? No, at least not initially. The “body positivity” crowd will drive over there in heaps to buy clothing from them in support
Here’s an article on this. This wasn’t a half assed or “snap” decision, Victoria’s secret had been garnering quite a bit of criticism over the years for not switching their tune.
American women, as a group, are getting fatter. Americans in general are getting fatter. I can see how, if you want to cater to the largest number of women, you need to use models who resemble the market you are selling to.
With that said, fat women will never be seen as ideal beauties by most men. Especially when there will still be women who take care of themselves and look like the ideal. And there will still be Europe (except for England).
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Most of the advertising on my news feed for swimsuits features overweight women in bikinis.
Not really my cup of tea, but it must resonate with the right crowd. I guess
Overweight non-binary vegans.