So, i was at an andy warhol exhibition yesterday. yeah, im pretty fucking cool. anyway, i dont understand art, but i did find a lot of his quotes amusing and food for thought. here’s one:
“It’s the movies that have really been running things in America ever since they were invented. They show you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, how to feel about it, and how to look how you feel about it.”
discuss.
[quote]AdamC wrote:
So, i was at an andy warhol exhibition yesterday. yeah, im pretty fucking cool. anyway, i dont understand art, but i did find a lot of his quotes amusing and food for thought. here’s one:
"It’s the movies that have really been running things in America ever since they were invented. They show you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, how to feel about it, and how to look how you feel about it."
discuss.[/quote]
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Ummm…well I started lifting after watchin “Total Recall”
I’d guess quite a few of us started lifting because of Arnold and his movies. Tha’s all the smart stuff I got to say.
Is this even a correct answer? I also had difficulty understanding Andy Warhol’s quote.
quotes are cool
“quotes are cool.”
[quote]drewh wrote:
“quotes are cool.” [/quote]
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someone save this thread
He is buried in a cemetery in the neighborhood I grew up in. We used to go to his gravestone and get all smoked up.
He’s right about the movies too. Most of them are designed to carry you through an event with all of the actions and emotions timed and placed perfectly and predictably, so that you arrive at the end with a tidy sense of completeness, or as has become popular- the foreshadowing of a poorly done sequel that is a reiteration of a poorly done original.
I haven’t had much interest in watching movies for quite a long time. They have become so damned predictable and just plain stupid that I just can’t bring myself to do it.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
He is buried in a cemetery in the neighborhood I grew up in. We used to go to his gravestone and get all smoked up.
He’s right about the movies too. Most of them are designed to carry you through an event with all of the actions and emotions timed and placed perfectly and predictably, so that you arrive at the end with a tidy sense of completeness, or as has become popular- the foreshadowing of a poorly done sequel that is a reiteration of a poorly done original.
I haven’t had much interest in watching movies for quite a long time. They have become so damned predictable and just plain stupid that I just can’t bring myself to do it.
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get drunk first, you wont regret it
who is andy warhol?
He was an artist of sorts. He made that collage of Cambell’s Tomato Soup cans and that one of Marilyn Monroe that’s been copied a thousand times.
im pretty sure Scrotus was kidding. at least, i hope he was.
[quote]AdamC wrote:
So, i was at an andy warhol exhibition yesterday. yeah, im pretty fucking cool. anyway, i dont understand art, but i did find a lot of his quotes amusing and food for thought. here’s one:
“It’s the movies that have really been running things in America ever since they were invented. They show you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, how to feel about it, and how to look how you feel about it.”
discuss.[/quote]
This quote has some truth to it. However, you would be very naive to assume movies are all that contrbutes to ones personality.
I find the characters of most modern movies deplorable. It seems to be all gun culture, greed, and murder, which demonstrates only the shallowest of moral character. This is something that most people would never aspire to be. In the end people end up emulating those they find virtues in. This applies to all people, not just film characters. The biggest influence in my life is my parents, any movie character or movie is a long ways down the list. I wouldn’t put too much stock into this quote.
[quote]AdamC wrote:
im pretty sure Scrotus was kidding. at least, i hope he was.[/quote]
I know T-Nation has a good sense of humour, but I never feel like I have to turn my sarcasm sensor too high…but maybe you’re right.
Movies and media act as instructional tools, with the feminist and the homosexual “heads” controling WOMEN, who are (except for a few) easy prey for them, while the semitic “head” attempts to indoctrinate the men.
I myself have NOTHING against the semitic aspect of the media because IMO they present a more or less balanced political point of view and are very very open to discussion and debate. So three opposable thumbs up.
Now men (any color) couldn’t care less about what the (homo-feminist) media tells them regarding daily living and sexuality, but women are easy prey, as mentioned earlier. Insecure white (mostly) men are forced to obey the status quo set by the majority brainwashed women and adjust accordingly.
Gaps develop separating the men who choose to blend in from those who want to stand out (about 50-50?) and the women who look up to the media contre those who don’t (about 95-5)…
The media begins the next injection phase creating further rifts and the process repeats ad nauseam.
Whaddaya wanna discuss exactly?
[quote]AdamC wrote:
So, i was at an andy warhol exhibition yesterday. yeah, im pretty fucking cool. anyway, i dont understand art, but i did find a lot of his quotes amusing and food for thought. here’s one:
“It’s the movies that have really been running things in America ever since they were invented. They show you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, how to feel about it, and how to look how you feel about it.”
discuss.[/quote]
i tell you what was a sweet movie, district 9.
thats all
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
[quote]AdamC wrote:
So, i was at an andy warhol exhibition yesterday. yeah, im pretty fucking cool. anyway, i dont understand art, but i did find a lot of his quotes amusing and food for thought. here’s one:
“It’s the movies that have really been running things in America ever since they were invented. They show you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, how to feel about it, and how to look how you feel about it.”
discuss.[/quote]
This quote has some truth to it. However, you would be very naive to assume movies are all that contrbutes to ones personality.
I find the characters of most modern movies deplorable. It seems to be all gun culture, greed, and murder, which demonstrates only the shallowest of moral character. This is something that most people would never aspire to be. In the end people end up emulating those they find virtues in. This applies to all people, not just film characters. The biggest influence in my life is my parents, any movie character or movie is a long ways down the list. I wouldn’t put too much stock into this quote.[/quote]
do you ever wonder if they affect you more than you’d like to think?
[quote]AdamC wrote:
do you ever wonder if they affect you more than you’d like to think?
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They probably do. But I still think there no substitution for real life people and experiences.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Movies and media act as instructional tools, with the feminist and the homosexual “heads” controling WOMEN, who are (except for a few) easy prey for them, while the semitic “head” attempts to indoctrinate the men.
I myself have NOTHING against the semitic aspect of the media because IMO they present a more or less balanced political point of view and are very very open to discussion and debate. So three opposable thumbs up.
Now men (any color) couldn’t care less about what the (homo-feminist) media tells them regarding daily living and sexuality, but women are easy prey, as mentioned earlier. Insecure white (mostly) men are forced to obey the status quo set by the majority brainwashed women and adjust accordingly.
Gaps develop separating the men who choose to blend in from those who want to stand out (about 50-50?) and the women who look up to the media contre those who don’t (about 95-5)…
The media begins the next injection phase creating further rifts and the process repeats ad nauseam.
Whaddaya wanna discuss exactly?
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Caution: Long Ass Post Ahead
I agree that to an extent the media [particularly television and film] does have influence on the way people act, and that there is a tendency for the attitudes of men and women are to be limited to certain archetypes, but I dunno about connecting this to the ideas you stated. It’s probably that shit just went this way by itself, not some concentrated group controlling things.
Women are more than men important as far as sales of movie tickets, DVD’s, TV show ratings etc. I imagine they’ll become even more important since girls don’t download shit illegally nearly as much as men. It makes more sense that stuff would be more catered to satisfy their ideals, however unfair/unrealistic/emasculating they may be.
Subversive [and occasionally explicit] “feminist/female empowering” themes find their way into movies this way. I use the quotations since I’m also including the portrayal of men a dumb and needing of a female guiding influence and other such things as part of this. The seemingly unbalanced amount of films and shows where a woman is portrayed as a victim to a man, or being held back by a man is also a result of this. It’s just profitable is all, and yes it is aimed at bottom of the food chain women for the most part, but they’re a larger sector of the female population.
The way men and women act does feed off of this, but they feed off of each other. The more men act accordingly and think it’s okay, the more the audience for movies with this worldview grows, the more profitable movies and shows like that become. So yeah, it gets worse and worse in films and TV, and more and more male protagonists are beta-males or brutes, and the more uneven the balance gets. It sucks, and I am saying that as someone who most likely falls into that beta category himself.
But I keep mentioning television and film as the primary example of this for a reason. The nature of the medium has a lot more to do with this that it would seem. Music [at least youth oriented music] doesn’t have this problem nearly as much as television or film and the solution lies here. I’m pulling out my own bag of theories for this lol. Music, unlike TV or film is cheaper, and takes up less of the consumers’ time per piece of work [ie, a song takes 4 minutes, a show or film much longer]. And songs don’t have to be distributed through rigid means like channels, or movie theatres where only a limited amount of ideas get to be finished products. On the other hand anybody can make a song and release it to the public, and people can consume music anytime and anywhere- especially now. Music is a much more free and open area of media and entertainment than film or TV. So if there’s a difference between music and Film&TV as far as the themes you’ve mentioned, then obviously the nature of the medium [production, distribution, consumption] and the profit motive have more to do with it than any group controlling the ideas of people, since the same people control music, film, television, radio, etc. So let’s get to the music:
I guess I should focus on lyrics and the relevant overall themes there. Ignore genres like pop, r&b, old pop standards and any other vocal music, since for the most part the lyrical aesthetic barely changes and hasn’t for the good 70-80 years it’s existed as a pop medium. Ignore electronic and any instrumental music since the rare lyric is negligible. So the main big genres we’re left with are rock and hip hop.
In my opinion you can see a direct relation to the fall of the Alpha Male in rock music and the rise of hip hop [via gangsta rap] as the big genre of choice of the youth. Now of course, other factors play into this, technology, demographics in particular, but if we are to focus on what lyrical aspects led hip hop to supersede rock as the avante-garde culturally responsive pop genre of choice for the youth.
Rock fans on the whole get sort of sick of the exaggerated Alpha Male charactersitics of a lot of stadium rock, hair metal and alternative rock breaks through [via grunge] into the mainstream. Although it’s strength is overstated today in most pop music hoopla, the reaction is pretty strong. Alternative rock figureheads like Kurt Cobain mock the Alpha Male and youth oriented rock shifts that way on the whole too. At around the same time [late 80s to early 90s] gangsta rap becomes the dominant hip hop subgenre, and throughout the 90s and 00s hip hop slowly subsumes the bests traits of and then outright replaces rock. The early 90s weren’t just alternative rock, it was also Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg :).
I don’t think the early gangsta rap and hip hop characters of the 90s really define Alpha Male, and I think the overly aggressive early gangsta rappers were an exaggerated reaction to what was happening in rock [as well as inner city conditions of course], but you start to see well rounded alpha males in different forms all over hip hop by the end of the 90s. Jay-Z on the Blueprint [2001] would be a good example of what I’m talking about. Hip hop is rife with these kind of Alpha Male persona’s. Just think of the recurrent drug dealer turned rapper-CEO narrative in hip hop.
So yeah, music doesn’t really follow the thematic trends of film and TV with regards to what we’re talking about here. And since they have the same people at the head of things, it would seem to me that the idea of a group of people controlling the ideas for a purpose wouldn’t fit. I know there are a few flaws and things I left out in my argument, especially near the end to simplify things, but they don’t really do anything to my overall position and I can expand on them later since this post is too long already and my back and ass are sweaty [pause].
I have a good feeling I’m arguing on a different plane than you are. I suppose I could ask why would they possible want to control things this way other than to secure profit? But as it is I see this as nothing other than profit and the how the medium is produced, distributed and consumed and nothing else. To sum it up, shit just happened.
And I’m not touching that Semitic part lol. I don’t know what that means to be honest, unless you are talking about all the holocaust movies, and even then that’s all I could think of.
[quote]AdamC wrote:
So, i was at an andy warhol exhibition yesterday. yeah, im pretty fucking cool. anyway, i dont understand art, but i did find a lot of his quotes amusing and food for thought. here’s one:
“It’s the movies that have really been running things in America ever since they were invented. They show you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, how to feel about it, and how to look how you feel about it.”
discuss.[/quote]
Warhol’s movies have a suck factor equal to a modestly-sized black hole; so unless they were deliberately badly made to drive home the point that people should not live their lives by what they see in movie theaters, then he had no place to comment in the first place.
As an artist myself, I never liked his actual WORK. But I appreciate what he did for art in general. He unhinged it from its fat complacent status by showing the ridiculousness of it all - a consumer product like anything else hyped by a good marketing. Ironically he turned into the very thing he was goofing on. But I suspect he meant for that to be the case.
A genius in his own right.