Good Work Out For Abs?

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
hueyOT wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
For visible abs, DON’T squat, DL, row, or any of the other compound movements.

Core strengthing exercises don’t do jack shit for developing the visible abdominal musculature.

you are joking right?
If you want increase the liklihood of back trouble keep crunching away. I prefer to work the abdominal muscles in their specific function, that is, resistors of motion.
Crunchers are the kind of people that do “leg curls” only for hamstring development.

since when does performing crunches increase the likelihood of back trouble? you gonna explain that in a little more detail?

and since when is the ‘specific function’ of the abdominals ‘resitance of motion’?

that is some stupid shit. when the abdominals contract, they flex the thorax forwards and elevates the pelvis. . the obliques, when contracts, descend the ribs and also flex the thorax over the pelvis.

i never heard of this ‘resistors of motion’ shit. sounds like another bullshit term just like ‘functional training’. yes, the abs act as stabilizers in many movements… so?

OK, you are probably right. Guys like Stuart McGill and Mike Boyle are complete idiots. What do they know?
and isn’t that Sahrmann full of shit too. [/quote]

why don’t you actually post a reply with substance? oh wait, you can’t 'cuz you don’t know fuck all about training.

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SEX

i forgot to mention that, great ab workout

i don’t know about size of the abs, but you get a nice six pack sort of just from pelvic thrusts

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[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Kill yourself.[/quote]

If you laugh as hard as I did after reading this on a consistent basis, you’d probably have a ridiculous six pack.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
OK, you are probably right. Guys like Stuart McGill and Mike Boyle are complete idiots. What do they know?
and isn’t that Sahrmann full of shit too.

They aren’t bodybuilding coaches. They probably don’t know a whole lot about bodybuilding. Why do you continue to pretend that there aren’t 2 diametrically opposed schools of thought here? I am merely acting as a devil’s advocate for the bodybuilding school because that’s what the thread creator asked for.

By and large, people who don’t powerlift aren’t interested in “strong abs”. They don’t want a “bench belly”, no matter how strong it is. What they want is a Brad Pitt/Bruce Lee sixpack, and squats aren’t going to give it to them. Sorry.[/quote]

stronger muscles hypertrophy. Do they not? The schools are not completely seperate. Powerlifters would benefit from a hyptertrophy focused phase, barring weight class issues, and bodybuilders would benefit from a strength phase. The OP wants better abs? won’t happen without getting much stronger.

yes you can do an EDT approach which increases the amount of work done in a specific time, but EDT has increased loads built in as well. You show me someone on a maintenance to slightly above calorie diet who cranks up their deadlift, front squat, squat, and can plank in all planes for 5 minutes and I will show you someone who gets abs without crunching. Throw in some rotational work as well.

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Lots of pull-ups do the trick pretty well too, as well as weighted pushups.

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[quote]hueyOT wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
hueyOT wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
For visible abs, DON’T squat, DL, row, or any of the other compound movements.

Core strengthing exercises don’t do jack shit for developing the visible abdominal musculature.

you are joking right?
If you want increase the liklihood of back trouble keep crunching away. I prefer to work the abdominal muscles in their specific function, that is, resistors of motion.
Crunchers are the kind of people that do “leg curls” only for hamstring development.

since when does performing crunches increase the likelihood of back trouble? you gonna explain that in a little more detail?

and since when is the ‘specific function’ of the abdominals ‘resitance of motion’?

that is some stupid shit. when the abdominals contract, they flex the thorax forwards and elevates the pelvis. . the obliques, when contracts, descend the ribs and also flex the thorax over the pelvis.

i never heard of this ‘resistors of motion’ shit. sounds like another bullshit term just like ‘functional training’. yes, the abs act as stabilizers in many movements… so?

OK, you are probably right. Guys like Stuart McGill and Mike Boyle are complete idiots. What do they know?
and isn’t that Sahrmann full of shit too.

why don’t you actually post a reply with substance? oh wait, you can’t 'cuz you don’t know fuck all about training.[/quote]

The reply with a study wasn’t substance? "you can’t 'cuz you don’t know fuck all…very well spoken…if it talks like a scholar, if it writes like a scholar…

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[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
hueyOT wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
hueyOT wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
For visible abs, DON’T squat, DL, row, or any of the other compound movements.

Core strengthing exercises don’t do jack shit for developing the visible abdominal musculature.

you are joking right?
If you want increase the liklihood of back trouble keep crunching away. I prefer to work the abdominal muscles in their specific function, that is, resistors of motion.
Crunchers are the kind of people that do “leg curls” only for hamstring development.

since when does performing crunches increase the likelihood of back trouble? you gonna explain that in a little more detail?

and since when is the ‘specific function’ of the abdominals ‘resitance of motion’?

that is some stupid shit. when the abdominals contract, they flex the thorax forwards and elevates the pelvis. . the obliques, when contracts, descend the ribs and also flex the thorax over the pelvis.

i never heard of this ‘resistors of motion’ shit. sounds like another bullshit term just like ‘functional training’. yes, the abs act as stabilizers in many movements… so?

OK, you are probably right. Guys like Stuart McGill and Mike Boyle are complete idiots. What do they know?
and isn’t that Sahrmann full of shit too.

why don’t you actually post a reply with substance? oh wait, you can’t 'cuz you don’t know fuck all about training.

The reply with a study wasn’t substance? "you can’t 'cuz you don’t know fuck all…very well spoken…if it talks like a scholar, if it writes like a scholar…
[/quote]

that ‘study reply’ was to another poster, and doesnt address anything i said in my previous lengthy post.

if you’ve got something of value to say in response to my post, say it.

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[quote]hueyOT wrote:
Krollmonster wrote:
"look, 99% of my routine is compound movements. but my abdominals hardly get ‘slammed’ when i do heavy front squats or weighted chins or whatever. of course they are activated, but it is not significant activation. it is hardly ‘punishment’. "

Personally, I feel that some direct abdominal work should be done, but I have to tell you the day after maxing out on front squats, the deep abdominal muscles responsible for compression, internal obliques and transverse abdominis will be somewhat sore when I try to forcefully expand my abdominal region.

ok… but that’s maxing out. and even in that case i’d say your abs are out of condition if they feel sore from maxing out on front squats.[/quote]

yeah, when I do submax work in any kind of squat I have no problems. Usually when I try to get a little crazy or haven’t gone heavy in a while.

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[quote]Krollmonster wrote:
hueyOT wrote:
Krollmonster wrote:
"look, 99% of my routine is compound movements. but my abdominals hardly get ‘slammed’ when i do heavy front squats or weighted chins or whatever. of course they are activated, but it is not significant activation. it is hardly ‘punishment’. "

Personally, I feel that some direct abdominal work should be done, but I have to tell you the day after maxing out on front squats, the deep abdominal muscles responsible for compression, internal obliques and transverse abdominis will be somewhat sore when I try to forcefully expand my abdominal region.

ok… but that’s maxing out. and even in that case i’d say your abs are out of condition if they feel sore from maxing out on front squats.

yeah, when I do submax work in any kind of squat I have no problems. Usually when I try to get a little crazy or haven’t gone heavy in a while.[/quote]

but would you agree that if your abs are sore from a front squat max-out it’s sugges that your abs are out of shape rather than front squats being a good abdominal workout?

i mean, anything can get you sore. that doesn’t mean anything is an effective exercise for particular cosmetic benefits.