[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]mburns87 wrote:
Weve all been there[/quote]
On a perverts massage table?[/quote]
No I think he meant fapping on strange peoples feet[/quote]
Well Saturday night can get pretty crazy. And yes, I am strong like bull.
Try rolling your joints a little tighter and see what you think.[/quote]
I think that they would not burn as well?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]mburns87 wrote:
Weve all been there[/quote]
On a perverts massage table?[/quote]
No I think he meant fapping on strange peoples feet[/quote]
Well Saturday night can get pretty crazy. And yes, I am strong like bull.
Try rolling your joints a little tighter and see what you think.[/quote]
I think that they would not burn as well?[/quote]
You just puff them harder. Much more efficient than old, loose joints.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
What if one of the men here had immediately stated, “That man should immediately file a countersuit for slander, emotional suffering, psychological damage, and loss of present and future wages.”
He would have been calling for the female’s prosecution and implying her guilt on exactly the same grounds you have: Pure conjecture.
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This is true.
My opinion, granted it is conjecture, is that he was caught being creepy and she’s milking it.
I believe if she were a scam artist and seduced him, she would’ve fucked him and cried rape.
I just don’t see her telling him “hey, I think you’re hot. When you’re massaging my feet, rub your dick on them please”. It just sounds unlikely for conversations sake.[/quote]
He doesn’t even have to take his dick out. She can just say he did. It’s her word against his and that’s enough to ruin a man’s life the present day. And to get rich doing it.
This reminds me a LOT of the first Trayvon Martin thread, where you were telling everyone that there was no evidence that his killer was a white with a racist motive, and you got figuratively tarred and feathered. Until it turned out that what most people had decided WAS true turned out not to be the case at all.
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]mburns87 wrote:
Weve all been there[/quote]
On a perverts massage table?[/quote]
No I think he meant fapping on strange peoples feet[/quote]
Well Saturday night can get pretty crazy. And yes, I am strong like bull.
Try rolling your joints a little tighter and see what you think.[/quote]
I think that they would not burn as well?[/quote]
You just puff them harder. Much more efficient than old, loose joints.[/quote]
Dude, when I am rolling a joint, efficiency is not my state of mind.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
What if one of the men here had immediately stated, “That man should immediately file a countersuit for slander, emotional suffering, psychological damage, and loss of present and future wages.”
He would have been calling for the female’s prosecution and implying her guilt on exactly the same grounds you have: Pure conjecture.
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This is true.
My opinion, granted it is conjecture, is that he was caught being creepy and she’s milking it.
I believe if she were a scam artist and seduced him, she would’ve fucked him and cried rape.
I just don’t see her telling him “hey, I think you’re hot. When you’re massaging my feet, rub your dick on them please”. It just sounds unlikely for conversations sake.[/quote]
He doesn’t even have to take his dick out. She can just say he did. It’s her word against his and that’s enough to ruin a man’s life the present day. And to get rich doing it.
This reminds me a LOT of the first Trayvon Martin thread, where you were telling everyone that there was no evidence that his killer was a white with a racist motive, and you got figuratively tarred and feathered. Until it turned out that what most people had decided WAS true turned out not to be the case at all.
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I stated early in this thread I believe legal prosecution should rest on proof of guilt.
My personal opinion about this particular case is that the guy probably is a creeper. This is just my opinion though I believe he is entitled to innocence until proven guilty.
I don’t know what thread you’re talking about but I remember the news flurry about that. My opinion was that Zimmerman was attacked. Had I felt otherwise, I would’ve said so though I would’ve supported his right to innocence until proven guilty either way.
What was the name of that thread? I would like to read it.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]mburns87 wrote:
Weve all been there[/quote]
On a perverts massage table?[/quote]
No I think he meant fapping on strange peoples feet[/quote]
Well Saturday night can get pretty crazy. And yes, I am strong like bull.
Try rolling your joints a little tighter and see what you think.[/quote]
I think that they would not burn as well?[/quote]
You just puff them harder. Much more efficient than old, loose joints.[/quote]
Dude, when I am rolling a joint, efficiency is not my state of mind. [/quote]
I’m usually in agony on the ground.
“I don’t doubt the kid was profiled, I do doubt his race caused his death”.
“My opinion is that she was violated but is certainly taking the ball and running with it”.
I’m not going to comment too much on the possibility that this is a scam on the part of the woman – simply because I have no way of knowing beyond speculation. Scams happen all the time…but then again, creepy shit happens all the time, too.
So, let’s just momentarily go with the assumption that it happened more or less as reported, AND it can be proven in court.
First, the bodily fluids issue – It should be noted that spitting on someone would be a misdemeanor form of assault or battery (definitions vary by state) just about anywhere, if not downright everywhere, in the United States.
Feel free to test this hypothesis – intentionally spit on someone right in front of a police officer.
Repeat this test in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Report your findings.
If you still don’t think it’s that big a deal, imagine if it were some random dude’s blood.
And this is where we get into the ‘emotional distress’ aspect. As a potential disease vector, semen is something to be concerned about – anyone sane would get various pathogen tests for months or even a year after exposure, and possibly get a court order to get the guy in question tested as well. Many folks would be at least mildly concerned about their future health status at least until the preliminary tests came through, and plenty of others would still have some doubts about things even after the later tests.
This is the definition of emotional distress. It does NOT mean what the toughest individuals (or individuals with the most fuck-all, careless approach to life) SHOULD feel from the contact, it’s about what that person experienced through that specific contact. Just because John Wayne shrugged the bullet off as a ‘flesh wound’ doesn’t mean that everyone else will feel the same way about being shot in the leg.
As to whether or not Gold’s Gym will be held accountable…seriously? Is this even a question? In America, employees are held as representatives of the company while working for the company on company property. Both the individual and the company will be held to certain standards.
In other words, if I work at Wendy’s, and I poop in your take-out Chili cup, Wendy’s sure as hell is going to be held at least a little bit liable, because I am a representative of said corporation. I’m not saying that it’s 100% right, or that it’s a just decision in all cases, because this leaves a lot of holes open for people to sabotage a company…but it is how things work in the United States.
I doubt it’s going to play out to millions of dollars, but if this case can be proven in court, there’s going to be some pay-out.
I just hope it actually can be proven and it won’t be settled for some hush money, that’ll just encourage more scammers in the future.
Looks like someone’s been watching too many massage porn movies.
Should have kept his dick in his pants. Fucking perv.
I’m not assuming anything except that there will be a trial wherein there will be some discussion of evidence. I shudder to imagine a stranger rubbing his dick on me, not because I KNOW FOR A FACT that this event occurred as reported. I am suspending disbelief to discuss the claim and the appropriate response assuming it’s true. Which is not my call to make.
We’re all speculating in here. I’m hanging no one. That would be idiocy. I’m responding to the idea of this happening.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Looks like someone’s been watching too many massage porn movies.
Should have kept his dick in his pants. Fucking perv.[/quote]
damn! That ass!
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
I don’t know what thread you’re talking about but I remember the news flurry about that. My opinion was that Zimmerman was attacked. Had I felt otherwise, I would’ve said so though I would’ve supported his right to innocence until proven guilty either way.
What was the name of that thread? I would like to read it.[/quote]
Dude, you are cracking me up.
KKK Grandwizard Shoots Straight A, Star Athlete American Kid, Just for being Black, or something like that.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Looks like someone’s been watching too many massage porn movies.
Should have kept his dick in his pants. Fucking perv.[/quote]
You walk around looking like that and expect me to keep my dick in my pants?
Damn tease.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m not assuming anything except that there will be a trial wherein there will be some discussion of evidence. I shudder to imagine a stranger rubbing his dick on me, not because I KNOW FOR A FACT that this event occurred as reported. I am suspending disbelief to discuss the claim and the appropriate response assuming it’s true. Which is not my call to make.
We’re all speculating in here. I’m hanging no one. That would be idiocy. I’m responding to the idea of this happening.[/quote]
If this is the case, you and I are cool. At least from my side.
Of course, it’s not going to make for a very fun thread…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]CargoCapable wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dirtman wrote:
His word against hers …he can say it was consensual or deny it out right. Unless she has proof IE video or DNA sample. I suspect money grab. But knowing our society just her saying he assaulted her is enough to wreck this guys rep.
You have to wonder if criminal charges were brought up? [/quote]
Even still, this isn’t much difference than spitting on someone according to her. No “abuse” actually happened…and I find it hard to believe that someone can have someone masturbate behind them standing that close in a private room and not know it until the orgasm.
She wasn’t raped. I hoped this gets thrown out unless she can PROVE something.[/quote]
Hahaha,
Dude, spitting on someone is not comparable to cumming on them. One is a sexual act, one isn’t.
I agree proof should be validated in the interest of innocence until proven guilty however if he were rubbing a hand up and down her calf, with her face shoved in that little face hole on massage tables, in a relaxed state with music playing, he could’ve wacked off with his other hand.
It’s not impossible he would play his jizz off like heated oil and rub her feet with it either.
Regardless, I’m willing to bet he broke workplace rules and was fired, criminality aside.[/quote]
I was being hyperbolic about the spitting. The point was, she was NOT assaulted here and she was apparently blind and deaf for at least…what…two-six minutes? What’s the average jerk time?
I am guessing…unless EXTREMELY talented, he would need at least one hand for this deed and at least one to massage someone.
I don’t care what anyone says…this guy was a MASTER!!![/quote]
Two to six minutes? Try half an hour minimum.
Side note: She was just pissed that the guy came prematurely. It’s the male equivalent of a cock tease and we all hate those, don’t we?
[quote]LHT wrote:
And this is where we get into the ‘emotional distress’ aspect. As a potential disease vector, semen is something to be concerned about – anyone sane would get various pathogen tests for months or even a year after exposure, and possibly get a court order to get the guy in question tested as well. Many folks would be at least mildly concerned about their future health status at least until the preliminary tests came through, and plenty of others would still have some doubts about things even after the later tests.
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Oh come on. It’s not like he injected her with a syringe full of fresh seminal fluid. If this is even true, he was rubbing his wiener on her oily foot bottoms and then squirted some semen onto them. Certainly if she realized this was happening she didn’t sit there and let him rub it into her hangnails.
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This is the definition of emotional distress. It does NOT mean what the toughest individuals (or individuals with the most fuck-all, careless approach to life) SHOULD feel from the contact, it’s about what that person experienced through that specific contact. Just because John Wayne shrugged the bullet off as a ‘flesh wound’ doesn’t mean that everyone else will feel the same way about being shot in the leg.
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So how much would you expect the woman to receive as compensation for her emotional distress? Emily stated earlier that she expected the woman to receive a $200-$300K settlement (from the gym, no less). Is that amount reasonable, do you think? I’ll tell you what, I know I may be “tougher” than a lot of people (of course, what kind of chauvinistic message will this send about women?), but I’d let guys line up and squirt on my feet if I was going to be getting even a quarter of that amount. Yes, I do suppose that a cool quarter mil would go pretty far in assuaging the emotional trauma I suffered from a surprise foot spunking.
Of course, if the guy was fat and ugly, I had better get at least $500K.
And because that “is how things work in the United States,” we should all just shut our stupid mouths and accept what is, right? Forget all those archaic concepts like personal responsibility and integrity.
Of course there will if it can be proven in court. But there will almost certainly also be a pay out if this does not go to court. Win-win for the woman, lose-lose for the man. That’s fine if he really is guilty. He should pay for his crime and she should be compensated. Fairly. Problem is, this works pretty much the same way whether or not he’s guilty.
And posters like you have already convicted him without the slightest shred of actual evidence. Just a single, one-sided news piece.
Well isn’t that nice. We can now safely disregard your initial posturing of impartiality. This guy either did it and will have to pay. Or he did it and will have to pay.
So why even worry about “more” scammers. This woman obviously isn’t.
Shit, I just realized that I could’ve made a huge payday when that old guy spied on me while I was on the can at the YMCA.
[quote]Alex Good wrote:
Shit, I just realized that I could’ve made a huge payday when that old guy spied on me while I was on the can at the YMCA.[/quote]
Sorry, doesn’t work for you. You’re a man. Only women get traumatized.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Alex Good wrote:
Shit, I just realized that I could’ve made a huge payday when that old guy spied on me while I was on the can at the YMCA.[/quote]
Sorry, doesn’t work for you. You’re a man. Only women get traumatized. [/quote]
I was 13 at the time. Of course yelling about ripping his skull off probably disproved trauma anyway.
And as a matter of fact I’m bipolar and act childish quite a bit so one could make the argument that I have some feminine qualities.
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Cortes wrote:
LHT wrote:
And this is where we get into the ‘emotional distress’ aspect. As a potential disease vector, semen is something to be concerned about – anyone sane would get various pathogen tests for months or even a year after exposure, and possibly get a court order to get the guy in question tested as well. Many folks would be at least mildly concerned about their future health status at least until the preliminary tests came through, and plenty of others would still have some doubts about things even after the later tests.
Cortes Replied:
Oh come on. It’s not like he injected her with a syringe full of fresh seminal fluid. If this is even true, he was rubbing his wiener on her oily foot bottoms and then squirted some semen onto them. Certainly if she realized this was happening she didn’t sit there and let him rub it into her hangnails.
Yeah, and you’re a bit of a jackass, aren’t you. It’s still bodily fluids splattered on another human, and diseases are frequently transmitted this way. This isn’t really speculative, it happens all the time.
LHT wrote:
This is the definition of emotional distress. It does NOT mean what the toughest individuals (or individuals with the most fuck-all, careless approach to life) SHOULD feel from the contact, it’s about what that person experienced through that specific contact. Just because John Wayne shrugged the bullet off as a ‘flesh wound’ doesn’t mean that everyone else will feel the same way about being shot in the leg.
Cortes replied:
So how much would you expect the woman to receive as compensation for her emotional distress? Emily stated earlier that she expected the woman to receive a $200-$300K settlement (from the gym, no less). Is that amount reasonable, do you think? I’ll tell you what, I know I may be “tougher” than a lot of people (of course, what kind of chauvinistic message will this send about women?), but I’d let guys line up and squirt on my feet if I was going to be getting even a quarter of that amount. Yes, I do suppose that a cool quarter mil would go pretty far in assuaging the emotional trauma I suffered from a surprise foot spunking.
Fuck if I know. I’m simply saying what will happen based on a few decades of legal precedent – that is, there is a basis of liability. I’m not the one making rather silly assumptions about someone based on my knee-jerk response of the moment.
LHT wrote:
As to whether or not Gold’s Gym will be held accountable…seriously? Is this even a question? In America, employees are held as representatives of the company while working for the company on company property. Both the individual and the company will be held to certain standards.
In other words, if I work at Wendy’s, and I poop in your take-out Chili cup, Wendy’s sure as hell is going to be held at least a little bit liable, because I am a representative of said corporation. I’m not saying that it’s 100% right, or that it’s a just decision in all cases, because this leaves a lot of holes open for people to sabotage a company…but it is how things work in the United States.
Cortes replied:
And because that “is how things work in the United States,” we should all just shut our stupid mouths and accept what is, right? Forget all those archaic concepts like personal responsibility and integrity.
Yeah, and that’s a completely jackass response, too. People in this thread were saying that Gold’s Gym couldn’t be held liable, because it was the action of an employee. I was pointing out that this was not the case. Not shouldn’t…couldn’t. As for the comment about how I somehow implied that people should shut our stupid mouths…well, no, that was your jackass assumption. You should note that just because an idea appears inside your head, doesn’t make the idea valid.
Yeah…that’s just a stupid comment based on absolutely nothing I said, and based entirely on, once again, a knee-jerk reaction and a cute little idea that appeared inside your own head. Idea combined with emotion translates as truth in people like you. It’s incredibly boring.
I have to ask, are you just making this up? Or are you drunk? How could you have POSSIBLY come to that conclusion? Really, dude, go fuck yourself.
EDIT: Ugh, sorry about the quote debacle, folks. It shouldn’t be too hard to sort it out, though.