Golden Rule for Gaining Mass

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[quote]DPH wrote:
Victor Lustig wrote:
DPH wrote:
Bench270 wrote:
I don’t agree with the statement pound4pound made about someone needing to gain 30 lbs to look like they lift. I think the guy in question was 6’ 195. I am 5’9" and 155 lbs with a light frame and you can tell i work out. So what i am saying is if you have been to the gym alot you can tell who is a regular and who isn’t and who goes hard and who thinks they go hard. And my name is a representation of what i have lifted.

it is very doubtful that anyone would guess that you lift weights when you have your street cloths on…

sorry dude, but 5’9 and 155 lbs is tiny.

His streetclothes might be sheer skintight lycra. Heh.

maybe he made his own cloths with stratigically placed padding to make it look like he has a decent amount of muscle…[/quote]

If you wanna look like a beast.

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At 5’6" 190 pounds with 10 years of training experience I consider myself of basically above average size, I have no desire to get to much bigger. I have been over 200 pounds once and didn’t like the way I felt. For all the 5’9" 155lb and 5’8" 193lb mass monsters I would sit quietly before someone like ProfessorX springs from the bushes hungry and treats you like a post work out meal.

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Funny! I never said i was big, I said u can look at me and tell i work out. Thats all. Big means nothing. Why you say, I crush guys alot heavier in the pound for pound department, and actually out bench them straight up. I have also thrown around some guys 60 lbs heavier then me in fights so BIG is nothing great. Just more fat to CHEW UP!!

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[quote]Bench270 wrote:
Funny! I never said i was big, I said u can look at me and tell i work out. Thats all. Big means nothing. Why you say, I crush guys alot heavier in the pound for pound department, and actually out bench them straight up. I have also thrown around some guys 60 lbs heavier then me in fights so BIG is nothing great. Just more fat to CHEW UP!![/quote]

oh christ…

not another internet tough guy!

and again…with your street clothes on, no one will ever guess that you lift weights.

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Not an internet tough guy, I can just handle myself thats all. Guys on here seem to think big is the only thing. I am just showing that it isn’t the only thing.

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[quote]Bench270 wrote:
Not an internet tough guy, I can just handle myself thats all. Guys on here seem to think big is the only thing. I am just showing that it isn’t the only thing.[/quote]

Yes, we’ve heard this from nearly every smaller guy who has ever trained to fight at all. I think it is some type of mental disorder where you walk around believing you can beat up everyone bigger than you. I hate to inform you of this, but I have seen some big people into street fighting who would literally kill anyone who didn’t have more size and strength than them. Fighting skill puts you above average, it doesn’t mean you can kick the ass of people walking around with 50 more pounds of muscle on them.

You bench more than people your own weight on average. There are people who warm up with your max weight. Please don’t think you wouldn’t easily be tossed by them as well.

Be proud of being able to fight a little. Don’t be foolish. Real world fights are never going to go like they do on a mat.

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[quote]Bench270 wrote:
Not an internet tough guy, I can just handle myself thats all. Guys on here seem to think big is the only thing. I am just showing that it isn’t the only thing.[/quote]

actually…

there are alot of guys here who think that the less muscle you have the more powerful and explosive you will be…

not to mention that alot of guys here think that any small guy could kick the shit out of any big guy with ease because small guys are so explosive and powerful…

guys like you are a dime a dozen around here…

you’re all strong as shit and kick major ass…

every last one of you.

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[quote]Bench270 wrote:
Funny! I never said i was big, I said u can look at me and tell i work out. Thats all. Big means nothing. Why you say, I crush guys alot heavier in the pound for pound department, and actually out bench them straight up. I have also thrown around some guys 60 lbs heavier then me in fights so BIG is nothing great. Just more fat to CHEW UP!![/quote]

Should I assume that your screen name insinuates that you bench 270?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bench270 wrote:
Not an internet tough guy, I can just handle myself thats all. Guys on here seem to think big is the only thing. I am just showing that it isn’t the only thing.

Yes, we’ve heard this from nearly every smaller guy who has ever trained to fight at all. I think it is some type of mental disorder where you walk around believing you can beat up everyone bigger than you. I hate to inform you of this, but I have seen some big people into street fighting who would literally kill anyone who didn’t have more size and strength than them. Fighting skill puts you above average, it doesn’t mean you can kick the ass of people walking around with 50 more pounds of muscle on them.

You bench more than people your own weight on average. There are people who warm up with your max weight. Please don’t think you wouldn’t easily be tossed by them as well.

Be proud of being able to fight a little. Don’t be foolish. Real world fights are never going to go like they do on a mat.[/quote]

More bull from the king of crap.

Royce Gracie proved that size was far far inferior to skill when at 178 pounds he beat a heavy weight wrestler by the name of Dan Sevron.

Gracie gave away over 50 pounds in size and tapped out Sevron after about a fifteen minute battle.

You think Sevron was thinking after the fight that he wished he could bench more weight?

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[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Bench270 wrote:
Not an internet tough guy, I can just handle myself thats all. Guys on here seem to think big is the only thing. I am just showing that it isn’t the only thing.

Yes, we’ve heard this from nearly every smaller guy who has ever trained to fight at all. I think it is some type of mental disorder where you walk around believing you can beat up everyone bigger than you. I hate to inform you of this, but I have seen some big people into street fighting who would literally kill anyone who didn’t have more size and strength than them. Fighting skill puts you above average, it doesn’t mean you can kick the ass of people walking around with 50 more pounds of muscle on them.

You bench more than people your own weight on average. There are people who warm up with your max weight. Please don’t think you wouldn’t easily be tossed by them as well.

Be proud of being able to fight a little. Don’t be foolish. Real world fights are never going to go like they do on a mat.

More bull from the king of crap.

Royce Gracie proved that size was far far inferior to skill when at 178 pounds he beat a heavy weight wrestler by the name of Dan Sevron.

Gracie gave away over 50 pounds in size and tapped out Sevron after about a fifteen minute battle.

You think Sevron was thinking after the fight that he wished he could bench more weight?

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how well do you think Royce Gracie would have faired against Mike Tyson in his prime?

and another thing…why do we even have weight classes in the fight game if size and strength is not an advantage…

your line of thinking (or non-thinking) would suggest that having weight classes among elite fighters is a waste of time…

the greatest fly weight in his prime is NO MATCH for the greatest heavy weight in his prime…

to think otherwise is assnine…

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[quote]DPH wrote:
how well do you think Royce Gracie would have faired against Mike Tyson in his prime?

and another thing…why do we even have weight classes in the fight game if size and strength is not an advantage…

your line of thinking (or non-thinking) would suggest that having weight classes among elite fighters is a waste of time…

the greatest fly weight in his prime is NO MATCH for the greatest heavy weight in his prime…

to think otherwise is assnine…
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What about the greatest fly weight in his prime vs. the worst heavy weight in his prime? Actually might be a close fight (untill the flyweight gets hit once)

You’re comparing 2 guys who can both fight well, with different weights; but I think the other guy was saying that a smaller guy who can fight could (possibly) kick the ass of a larger guy with less fighting ability (probably much less).

But yes, the larger fighter has an advantage and there is good reason for weight classes, in many sports.

Give us short guys some slack; we have a reason to be pissed off all the time, everyone looks down on us. :wink:

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[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:

More bull from the king of crap.

Royce Gracie proved that size was far far inferior to skill when at 178 pounds he beat a heavy weight wrestler by the name of Dan Sevron.

Gracie gave away over 50 pounds in size and tapped out Sevron after about a fifteen minute battle.

You think Sevron was thinking after the fight that he wished he could bench more weight?

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Sevron was probably thinking “Fuck, I wish I could fight”.

Why is it every little guy on the planet uses this as why little guys are going to suddenly kick all of our asses?

No-one said “Get a big bench and you’ll be a trashing machine”. Learn to read.

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[quote]Massif wrote:
firemedichcfr14 wrote:

More bull from the king of crap.

Royce Gracie proved that size was far far inferior to skill when at 178 pounds he beat a heavy weight wrestler by the name of Dan Sevron.

Gracie gave away over 50 pounds in size and tapped out Sevron after about a fifteen minute battle.

You think Sevron was thinking after the fight that he wished he could bench more weight?

Sevron was probably thinking “Fuck, I wish I could fight”.

Why is it every little guy on the planet uses this as why little guys are going to suddenly kick all of our asses?

No-one said “Get a big bench and you’ll be a trashing machine”. Learn to read.[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]Massif wrote:
firemedichcfr14 wrote:

More bull from the king of crap.

Royce Gracie proved that size was far far inferior to skill when at 178 pounds he beat a heavy weight wrestler by the name of Dan Sevron.

Gracie gave away over 50 pounds in size and tapped out Sevron after about a fifteen minute battle.

You think Sevron was thinking after the fight that he wished he could bench more weight?

Sevron was probably thinking “Fuck, I wish I could fight”.

Were Kimo, Shamrock and all the other over 200 pound guys that Gracie beat also thinking “Fuck I wish I could fight?”

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[quote]DPH wrote:
how well do you think Royce Gracie would have faired against Mike Tyson in his prime?[/quote]

With few or no rules Gracie wins if both are in their prime.

If all things are equal the big guy wins. I never said otherwise.

the greatest fly weight in his prime is NO MATCH for the greatest heavy weight in his prime…

to think otherwise is assnine…
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Professor X stated:

[quote]I hate to inform you of this, but I have seen some big people into street fighting who would literally kill anyone who didn’t have more size and strength than them. Fighting skill puts you above average, it doesn’t mean you can kick the ass of people walking around with 50 more pounds of muscle on them.
[/quote]

That means that he is walking around thinking that the prime criteria for being a good fighter is size and not skill. That is truly assnine.

One more comment about fighting and again no reference to any skill just size.

The big guy wins end of story?

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[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:
Professor X stated:

I hate to inform you of this, but I have seen some big people into street fighting who would literally kill anyone who didn’t have more size and strength than them. Fighting skill puts you above average, it doesn’t mean you can kick the ass of people walking around with 50 more pounds of muscle on them.

That means that he is walking around thinking that the prime criteria for being a good fighter is size and not skill. That is truly assnine.

You bench more than people your own weight on average. There are people who warm up with your max weight. Please don’t think you wouldn’t easily be tossed by them as well.

One more comment about fighting and again no reference to any skill just size.

The big guy wins end of story?
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It has already been brought to your attention that there are weight clases in fighting for a reason. This guy weighs 155lbs. I personally outweigh him by over 100lbs at the moment. He had better be fucking Bruce Lee to take down someone that much bigger than him even with lesser fighting ability. Unless the person he is up against is simply uncoordinated or completely out of shape, you can keep believing that size isn’t a HUGE advantage all you want to. It won’t make it so. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
firemedichcfr14 wrote:
Professor X stated:

I hate to inform you of this, but I have seen some big people into street fighting who would literally kill anyone who didn’t have more size and strength than them. Fighting skill puts you above average, it doesn’t mean you can kick the ass of people walking around with 50 more pounds of muscle on them.

That means that he is walking around thinking that the prime criteria for being a good fighter is size and not skill. That is truly assnine.

You bench more than people your own weight on average. There are people who warm up with your max weight. Please don’t think you wouldn’t easily be tossed by them as well.

One more comment about fighting and again no reference to any skill just size.

The big guy wins end of story?

It has already been brought to your attention that there are weight clases in fighting for a reason. This guy weighs 155lbs. I personally outweigh him by over 100lbs at the moment. He had better be fucking Bruce Lee to take down someone that much bigger than him even with lesser fighting ability. Unless the person he is up against is simply uncoordinated or completely out of shape, you can keep believing that size isn’t a HUGE advantage all you want to. It won’t make it so. Whatever helps you sleep at night.[/quote]

No, I have already said that with all other things being equal the larger stronger person wins. Size and strength are always factors in a fight.

You fail to give enough credit to skill in your reply. gthat’s why I jumped on you. Go back and take a look at your reply you might see wht I mean.

100 pounds would be a huge advantage and maybe insurmountable depending on the other persons skill level.

Then again I have seen large guys go down in street fights to small guys who knew what they were doing. I saw a 140 pound college grappler and former HS state champ destroy an over 200 pound big strong biker once. It was fun to watch the mo fo go.

One the whole world watched was one of the first ufc fights where a sumo wrestler with real skill fought a 200 pound puncher kicker with more fighting skill. The 400 pound sumo guy was knocked out I think, he lost badly.

He was giving away about 200 pounds. So you never know there big fella. You might be 250 pounds but if you run up against the right 150 pounder you could lose.

I weigh over 200 pounds myself and have never underestimated someone smaller cause you never know man.

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Sumo wrestler has a load of fat though. Hardly useful weight, good for Sumo though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
firemedichcfr14 wrote:
Professor X stated:

I hate to inform you of this, but I have seen some big people into street fighting who would literally kill anyone who didn’t have more size and strength than them. Fighting skill puts you above average, it doesn’t mean you can kick the ass of people walking around with 50 more pounds of muscle on them.

That means that he is walking around thinking that the prime criteria for being a good fighter is size and not skill. That is truly assnine.

You bench more than people your own weight on average. There are people who warm up with your max weight. Please don’t think you wouldn’t easily be tossed by them as well.

One more comment about fighting and again no reference to any skill just size.

The big guy wins end of story?

It has already been brought to your attention that there are weight clases in fighting for a reason. This guy weighs 155lbs. I personally outweigh him by over 100lbs at the moment. He had better be fucking Bruce Lee to take down someone that much bigger than him even with lesser fighting ability. Unless the person he is up against is simply uncoordinated or completely out of shape, you can keep believing that size isn’t a HUGE advantage all you want to. It won’t make it so. Whatever helps you sleep at night.[/quote]

Most people know the Prof and I disagree on alot, on this I have to take his side. There are weight classes for a reason. I am only 190, I am so sick and tired of everyone tihnking because they are some halfassed MMA fighter they can take down people that outweigh them by 100 pounds. I have boxed, wrestled, and studied jujitsu.

Have you ever hit someone roughly 100 pounds heavier than you? It’s quite funny actually, even if you hit them square on the chin they probably aren’t going down. Ever wrestle someone 100 pounds more than you? If they have the smallest amount of balance, they are gona sprawl out and crush you into the ground. Ever try and get in close enough to choke out someone 100 pounds more than you?

Chances are they are a good 6 inches taller than you making it very difficult to get in on them. I am not saying it is impossible to beat someone that much bigger than you, the only reference anyone can give is Gracie. Newsflash, none of you on this site are Royce or Relson or any of the fuckin Gracies for that matter, if you were you would be in pride, k1 or ufc.

Everyone thinks they are invincible, just remember that no matter how bad you are there is a bigger bad ass than you out there.

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[quote]firemedichcfr14 wrote:

You fail to give enough credit to skill in your reply. gthat’s why I jumped on you. Go back and take a look at your reply you might see wht I mean.[/quote]

Yes, and I wrote, “Fighting skill puts you above average, it doesn’t mean you can kick the ass of people walking around with 50 more pounds of muscle on them.” in my first reply. I could care less if you think this wasn’t “enough” credit to fighting skill. Perhaps you give “too much” credit to fighting skill.

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100 pounds would be a huge advantage and maybe insurmountable depending on the other persons skill level. [/quote]

So, why are you responding?

It isn’t about underestimating the smaller guy as much as it seems to be a common perception to underestimate the larger guy. Big does not equal “big and slow”. For many smaller guys on this site, as has been seen in many past debates, that is precisely how they seem to see things.

That is what myself and others were referring to when you decided to call that point of view “crap” which was why many others responded. I am sure others already understand that you look for anything you can in my posts to bitch about. My suggestion is to be more selective in what you choose to attack from me.

Further, I am not against martial arts training. I was involved largely in it as a kid. My schooling (among other things) got in the way for me to take it much further once I hit high school. No one is underestimating fighting skill here. I also know that the greatest fighter will be the one who combines strength, skill, power and size…not the smaller guy who thinks size is a negative and that his 155lbs is a threat to nearly anyone he runs into.