[quote]Hyena wrote:
and you’re right. I don’t understand why anybody thought my post was arrogant. Its not like I came on and said “OMG your legs are so fucking small! HAHAHA Man I sure am glad that I’m bigger than you, and my program is 100% better in every way.” .[/quote]
You actually do this every chance you get when talking to someone smaller than you.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
What the fuck do u know H4M? Your legs are only twice as big as mine:) Curious to what your typical rep range is and main lifts (for your scrawny legs).[/quote]
Honestly, I’ve done pretty much everything for my legs…main lifts are front squats, back squats, RDLs, and sumo deadlifts…secondary lifts are v-squats, lunges, leg press, hamstring curls, zercher squats, and leg extensions.
Back squats, I will do ANY rep range, I’ve done everything from 495x3, 405x13, 315x25, 225x44 (yesterday), 155x80, 135x100 with back squats. Bread and butter, yknow? Not to mention sprints, and running (I honestly only run distance because of the marine corps…once I’m out, say bye-bye to anything over 2 miles lol).
Front squats, working sets are usually 3-6 reps, heavy weight, sicne it gets hard to breath with higher reps.
Sumo deadlifts, usually 5 reps and under, though occasionally I rep out with 495…last time I got 13 reps, beltless 
RDLs (Romanian Deadlifts), 5-10 reps.
Zercher squats, 1-5 reps typically.
Everything else is high reps, like 10-30. I love repping out on v-squats almost as much as on back squats.
Haven’t there been at least 20+ articles on this site that have basically stated that everyone is different? There’s GVT, 5/3/1, Starting Strength, and a shit load of other workouts that are written by people who know what their talking about. You know what they all have in common? They all tell you to go to the gym, and they are all different. Who gives a crap if a guy is in there for 3 hours. If your there for 1 hour and your spent, leave. Doesn’t mean he’s frigin sweet, just means thats what he does.
If one philosophy was better than the rest, why would people still be arguing.
How bout Madcow 5x5
[quote]dles91 wrote:
Haven’t there been at least 20+ articles on this site that have basically stated that everyone is different? There’s GVT, 5/3/1, Starting Strength, and a shit load of other workouts that are written by people who know what their talking about. You know what they all have in common? They all tell you to go to the gym, and they are all different. Who gives a crap if a guy is in there for 3 hours. If your there for 1 hour and your spent, leave. Doesn’t mean he’s frigin sweet, just means thats what he does.
If one philosophy was better than the rest, why would people still be arguing.[/quote]
Are you insinuating that no training philosophy is superior to any other training philosophy?
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]dles91 wrote:
Haven’t there been at least 20+ articles on this site that have basically stated that everyone is different? There’s GVT, 5/3/1, Starting Strength, and a shit load of other workouts that are written by people who know what their talking about. You know what they all have in common? They all tell you to go to the gym, and they are all different. Who gives a crap if a guy is in there for 3 hours. If your there for 1 hour and your spent, leave. Doesn’t mean he’s frigin sweet, just means thats what he does.
If one philosophy was better than the rest, why would people still be arguing.[/quote]
Are you insinuating that no training philosophy is superior to any other training philosophy?[/quote]
Exactly… except yours. Yours is far superior.
[quote]dles91 wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]dles91 wrote:
Haven’t there been at least 20+ articles on this site that have basically stated that everyone is different? There’s GVT, 5/3/1, Starting Strength, and a shit load of other workouts that are written by people who know what their talking about. You know what they all have in common? They all tell you to go to the gym, and they are all different. Who gives a crap if a guy is in there for 3 hours. If your there for 1 hour and your spent, leave. Doesn’t mean he’s frigin sweet, just means thats what he does.
If one philosophy was better than the rest, why would people still be arguing.[/quote]
Are you insinuating that no training philosophy is superior to any other training philosophy?[/quote]
Exactly… except yours. Yours is far superior.[/quote]
That was actually a 100% serious question…if there was veiled sarcasm in your statement, I sure as hell missed it.
Its a shame that your “how do you train” thread is in the TCell Hungry, it would be three times as long if it was public. Its the back im interested in so sumos and deads aside what is your rep range for back exercises?? Do you switch high rep and low rep for rows, rack chins, pullups etc? How much attention do you give the traps? I know this is a hijack but whatever fu*k the OP he doesnt even squat.
[quote]Live4Deadlift wrote:
Its a shame that your “how do you train” thread is in the TCell Hungry, it would be three times as long if it was public. Its the back im interested in so sumos and deads aside what is your rep range for back exercises?? Do you switch high rep and low rep for rows, rack chins, pullups etc? How much attention do you give the traps?[/quote]
You could say I split my back into three “sections” of training: Lower back, thickness, and width…pretty simple. Yes, they overlap into one another to a point; for example, BB Rows with 2.5x bodyweight are OBVIOUSLY gonna work lower back as well as thickness…pendlay rows work both thickness and width. But for the sake of simplicity, I’ll assume everyone has a basic understanding about avoiding training problems because of such things.
Lower back: Heavy ass deadlift variations. I also attribute my spinal erectors to lots of beltless squatting. FWIW, I was able to squat 405 and deadlift 585 before I used a belt on those lifts (yes, I starting using a belt on squats before deadlifts). I focused on getting a very strong deadlift, whatever that took. Stiff-legged DLs, sumo DLs, rack pulls, Romanian DLs…whatever makes your deadlift go up will likely strengthen your lower back. Make sense?
Thickness: Pretty much entirely rowing movements. For thickness movements, my focus is lifting progressively heavier weights, with my main 2 concerns being A) Feeling the exercise in the intended muscle group(s) (straps can help a lot with this), and B) Not compromising spine safety…learn to do the valsalva maneuver properly, and master that shit. It just may save your spine. If you’re interested in my form on any rowing exercises, let me know and I’ll see what I can do. BB Rows, Kroc (DB) Rows, Pendlay Rows, Cable Rows, T-bar Rows…they’re all fair game.
Width: For width movements, I focus on FEEL. I only increase weight used if I can still get an amazing pump by doing so. If my reps are too low to get a proper lat pump, I reduce weight until I can achieve that. Most people can’t use loose form on width exercises and still feel it in their lats primarily, which often turns the exercise into a thickness or biceps movement. Rack Chins, Partial ROM pullups, Pendlay Rows (<<<these are the only exception to the strict form thing), and lat pulldowns with a neutral grip are where it’s at here.
LOL
Oh I forgot to mention rep ranges.
Deadlift movements, usually 1-5 reps, sometimes as many as 10 reps for romanian Dls.
Thickness movements, typically from 10-20 reps.
Width movements, usually 8-15 reps.
Honestly, the only reason I pick any rep range for any exercise is because it’s the rep range that seems to let me get strongest fastest on those exercises. As far as I’m concerned, that should be what we’re working on more than anything else, assuming you don’t let form go to hell in the process.
How do you do your Kroc rows. Do you prefer to use real strict form or do ya get kinda loose with it. What kind of carry over have you had to the big three?
Which back exercises carry over best for deadlifting? Bench pressing? Or are they the same?
Thanks for any help you can give.
This should bring you to page 6 of the BOI 5.0 thread…third post from the bottom is how I do kroc rows, that vid is from this last week.
I’ve only “re-started” doing kroc rows again in these last 2 months or so, so it isn’t really enough time to tell what kind of benefits I’m getting from them as opposed to BB Rows. I don’t think they’ll do TOO much that BB Rows don’t do, but they’re a great way to do a heavy thickness movement without being quite as taxing on the lower back as BB Rows are. Some people find it easier to get a better mind-muscle connection with DB rows than BB rows also.
For deadlifting, it’s really just the exercises I listed…Sumo DLs, RDLs, rack pulls…as well as heavy BB Rows, tbar rows, and Db rows. Nothing too fancy or flashy, but damn is it fun to BB Row over double your bodyweight
Bench pressing…just get that back thick as hell to shorten ROM on bench haha. Row, row, row your barbell, (not so) gently down the stream…ok I’ll stop now.
Thanks for the posts hungry.I read your thread on alpha but its a killer not being able to ask you Q’s on some stuff.For bb rows what does your form look like?What kinda back angle would you use?Do you alternate between benching with an arch and bb style or do you just stick with one or the other?Oh and can we swap backs…Please?
[quote]law8 wrote:
Thanks for the posts hungry.I read your thread on alpha but its a killer not being able to ask you Q’s on some stuff.For bb rows what does your form look like?What kinda back angle would you use?Do you alternate between benching with an arch and bb style or do you just stick with one or the other?Oh and can we swap backs…Please?[/quote]
4th post from the bottom is 495x7 BB Rows. Granted, that’s the heaviest I’ve ever gone on them to date by 20 lbs, but you get the idea of how I do them. I just wanted to see what it felt like to BB Row 5 plates haha.
I always bench with an arch…I practice how I compete, yknow?
And no, unless you have an awesome chest to give me, I’m not giving away any of my back lol.
EDIT: I’m always available via pm for Q’s…
I dont know how this adds to the conversation, but I do legs two days on one day off.After my olympic lift- I pick quads or hams and I will pick a main exercise(Back Squat,Front Squat,Deadlift or RDL),and then 3 assisting movements to strengthen them. And after 6 weeks I do no legs for a whole week,and I am back on it.
I think legs is a mentality about how you handle pain and lactic acid. If you can fight through it,go for it. Some animals are different that others…
H4M, what carryover have you noticed from the high rep squats to your low reps?
Thanks
i dont know if anyone has said this in this particular thread yet but H4M, i wish i was you.
[quote]Malaka79 wrote:
H4M, what carryover have you noticed from the high rep squats to your low reps?
Thanks[/quote]
I wish I could say a lot, but that would be complete bullshit.
At one time, I 20 rep squatted 300 lbs, then a few weeks later maxed out on squat…at 400 lbs. Guess what that told me? I needed to focus more on low reps. But that’s not to say it’s useless for low rep squatting. It helps HUGELY with the mental aspect, the pain, all that. It actually makes you look FORWARD to low rep workouts, because they don’t hurt nearly as much in comparison. Also, high reps certainly are good for hypertrophy, which may or may not help with future strength gains, depending on who you ask about it. I guess I’ll find out as time goes on from my personal experiences…I still have plenty to learn myself.
[quote]actionboy wrote:
i dont know if anyone has said this in this particular thread yet but H4M, i wish i was you.[/quote]
Awww <3
Yknow, I hear there’s this real cheap motel just a few interwebz away…
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]Hyena wrote:
H4M, I pay him a compliment, and then get shit on for 2 pages following. thanks for that.
[/quote]
Lol…seriously? You didn’t pay him a compliment, you made a smartass, backhanded remark that his legs are “pretty good size”…
Please, you know what you did, and instead of owning up to it, you try and take some bullshit lofty attitude about it.
Practically every post you make reeks of hostility and arrogance. This is why people think you’re a prick. [/quote]
MY post reeks of hostility? LOL
Whatever man. I explained myself, but you guys see what you wanna see, and the only people that got butt hurt by it are the defensive types who had nothing to do with the original post in the first place. I’m not gonna go cry myself to sleep because people from a website I visit twice a week don’t like me.
Haters gonna hate.
and that’s all I have to say about that.