Going to Join Foreign Military...

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It takes 3 years in the legion to become a permanent resident on track to eventual citzenship, which I believe will be realized in two more should you not fuck up on the after you get out.

Yes, I’ve talked to a recruiter online, never in person, about the posssibilty of joining with my past transgression.

I managed to commit an action so horrific, so ‘heinous’ an action in Anglo-American culture, that I am officially less desireable than a crackdealer, exgangmember, high school drop out…whatever.

It’s pretty ridiculous considering all my other activities in life have been greatly opposed to that.

What I did was something I did because I am too hard on myself, judge myself too much.
Yet what would have been noble elsewhere, is not here.

I’ve been a volunteer firefighter, helped my peers, been a good student, been part of and started scholastic and social organizations.

These things don’t make up for some dumb shit in my past.

As for, ‘switching up countries like that,’ I believe in traditional USA, what the founding fathers stood for but the modern USA doesn’t stand for it’s traditions or what the Fathers stood for.

The USA I’d serve today is some shit George Washington would roll over in his grave in spite of.

Unless USMC plans to throw a coup d’etat, I worry the shit will be the same PC Adult Kindergarten that most things are public institutions are these days.

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haha people that bitch this much don’t normally last a year in the army good luck with join the Spanish legion

The ffl do back ground checks now they still take most people but if some one has done something wrong that is really bad they won’t be allowed in.

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[quote]jzzz wrote:
haha people that bitch this much don’t normally last a year in the army good luck with join the Spanish legion

The ffl do back ground checks now they still take most people but if some one has done something wrong that is really bad they won’t be allowed in.[/quote]

I wish the internet was a local forum, so I could confront some lil faggot like you and beat you so badly I kill your whole fucking family.

Some lil aussie nutsack has an opinion, wow.

I’m a whiner because I decide to join a foreign military because my own would reject me. Okay.

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[quote]SpartanX wrote:
jzzz wrote:
haha people that bitch this much don’t normally last a year in the army good luck with join the Spanish legion

The ffl do back ground checks now they still take most people but if some one has done something wrong that is really bad they won’t be allowed in.

I wish the internet was a local forum, so I could confront some lil faggot like you and beat you so badly I kill your whole family.

Some lil aussie nutsack has an opinion, wow.

I’m a whiner because I decide to join a foreign military because my own would reject me. Okay.[/quote]

Do you even sociolize with people off the internet? Good god you suck at it.

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[quote]SpartanX wrote:

I managed to commit an action so horrific, so ‘heinous’ an action in Anglo-American culture, that I am officially less desireable than a crackdealer, exgangmember, high school drop out…whatever.

It’s pretty ridiculous considering all my other activities in life have been greatly opposed to that.

What I did was something I did because I am too hard on myself, judge myself too much. Yet what would have been noble elsewhere, is not here.[/quote]

Hmmm. Now I’m curious. What act would be considered noble in another culture, but more heinous than dealing crack or being a gang member in Anglo-American culture?

Must be something sexual and nasty. My first thought was that he had sex with an underage boy, but that would only be considered noble in Greece and Belgium, and as far as I know he’s not Belgian or Greek… although he does call himself “Spartan…”

Maybe he boned his ugly first cousin. That might be considered noble in some cultures.

Wait… he’s from Latin America, right? Well, I’ve heard that in some Latin American societies, you have the right to beat a woman to death if she publicly casts aspersions your manhood. So perhaps his ex-girlfriend let it be known that he wasn’t that good in the sack, you know, because of his little (ahem) problem, and he smacked the shit out of her.

That might be considered noble in Peru or Colombia, but not in non-Latin America.

Nah, I’m just messin’ with you, Sparky. Whatever you did is your business.

To the point of your thread, though, you do realize that if you serve with a foreign military, you will likely lose your U.S. citizenship, and may be denied entry into the country in the future. This may not bother you, unless you have friends and relatives in this country that you’d like to visit.

Good luck, whatever you decide to decide to do. And whatever you do, keep us posted.

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Tell us what you did!

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[quote]SpartanX wrote:
jzzz wrote:
haha people that bitch this much don’t normally last a year in the army good luck with join the Spanish legion

The ffl do back ground checks now they still take most people but if some one has done something wrong that is really bad they won’t be allowed in.

I wish the internet was a local forum, so I could confront some lil faggot like you and beat you so badly I kill your whole fucking family.

Some lil aussie nutsack has an opinion, wow.

I’m a whiner because I decide to join a foreign military because my own would reject me. Okay.[/quote]

haha I don’t think it’s the back ground tests he will have problems with, I think it’s the IQ test.

suck it up princess

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A very touching story, i guess you have moved on and only killing other people now. I am so lucky this is not a local forum, i know you told me already

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fantastic.

we should do lunch.

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[quote]blazindave wrote:
Go french foreign legion.[/quote]

x2

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[quote]SpartanX wrote:
I’m a whiner because I decide to join a foreign military because my own would reject me. Okay.[/quote]

Let’s be hypothetical for just a moment…

Imagine you join a foreign military legion and for whatever reason, the country you serve goes to war against your “own” (the USA.) Are you willing to kill American Servicemembers?

And yes, I know Spain and US are allies…I’m just curious.

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[quote]JN7844 wrote:
SpartanX wrote:
I’m a whiner because I decide to join a foreign military because my own would reject me. Okay.

Let’s be hypothetical for just a moment…

Imagine you join a foreign military legion and for whatever reason, the country you serve goes to war against your “own” (the USA.) Are you willing to kill American Servicemembers?

And yes, I know Spain and US are allies…I’m just curious.[/quote]

That’d be the same situation as if, the USA invaded the country I will claim my citizenship of, and I am forced to fight my own cousins.

A hypothetical situation, which probably would more likely arise from US adventurism in Latin America, than European belligerence.

I guess the answer is yes, I’d kill for whoever took me in and trained me told me to kill. While not ideal, when you commit to be a professional soldier, it is your duty to sacrifice your whole being to your retainer.

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[quote]SpartanX wrote:

You get an appointment, get told you got fraudelent enlistment, because you did not disclose things that would block you from enlistment. You find yourself on the next to worse charge than dishonorable discharge, and back where you started off, + plus disgrace, and minus a good chunk of your year.

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I don’t know about the rest of this thread, however I do know this happens for a fact
no explanation nothing you are out and you have to pay them back for the time and transportation there.
plus you are sent walking home basically.

The walk from Great Lakes IL. to the west coast aint no joke either. I heard other stories

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One other question:

When you wrote the recruiter online and explained your past transgressions, did he flat out tell you that you were unacceptable? Was it a Marine Corp recruiter?

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Im thinking a history of depression and the attempted suicide along with the stay in the mental ward, on paper looks unfit to a recruiter.
Correct?

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[quote]Im thinking a history of depression and the attempted suicide along with the stay in the mental ward, on paper looks unfit to a recruiter.
Correct?[/quote]

Yep, that’s it, recruiter told me ‘waiver’ is possible, but highly improbable.

What benefit do they get from a guy who looks potentially mentally unstable on paper? They have enough flak for resending ptss marines back to combat…even if I did get the waiver, what the fuck would they have me do? Security clearance is not achievable, so I don’t even know what kind of MOS I would do.

He said, sorry, I’ll help you out if you want to do this, but in my experience, I am 99.9% sure, your waiver won’t be granted. I wouldn’t waste your time, even if you do get a waiver, no security clearance will be granted to you. So many MOS, of the sort you might interested in are closed.

[quote]no explanation nothing you are out and you have to pay them back for the time and transportation there.
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You don’t have to pay them back. But you do have to find your way back home. They pay you your time in.

Like I said, what really chafes me about this, is I know of felons; exdrugdealers, gangbangers, people who have potential killed people (read making the corps), being allowed into the corps. I went to a recruiter in person (didn’t tell him about my history) they had a guy there who couldn’t pass the ASVAB; I got a near perfect on lil practice test, they’d rather have that guy than me. It almost makes me sick. But more it makes me angry at myself for getting fooled into that scheme that ruined my life.

I’ve applied at banks before in addition to this, and always ‘failed’ their background tests, which makes me think this history is more barring than just military. If I got to get any gov’t job, or any serious corporate job, I might be fucked or at least second to third tier.

I’d like to escape all of this.

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ya, buddy of mine joined the navy.
they sent him to basic without a hitch, several months later they came to him because they found out that he owed traffic fines still from several years prior.
simple mistake but being his license was suspended and he had a debt with a local entity that meant he was disqualified.

they would not allow him to make arrangements with the courts as he had the money to pay them, it was a simple mater of shuffling paperwork and getting it handled, clerical error really.

they said no your out. separated him from the rest of his class and a day or 2 later(don’t remember what he said) he was out the door in street cloths walking to the greyhound.

he had his license back and handled no more than 2 days after returning home.
and he is disqualified from further enlistment and also it looks really bad on him because they said he lied on his application, and it was lying to the federal government. its affected his chances of decent jobs because he can not pass a background check now ( federal criminal charges for lying under oath to the.gov)

I always thought he was full of crap telling me this but then you said the same thing can happen and it clicked and I remembered his story.

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[quote]MaddyD wrote:
ya, buddy of mine joined the navy.
they sent him to basic without a hitch, several months later they came to him because they found out that he owed traffic fines still from several years prior.
simple mistake but being his license was suspended and he had a debt with a local entity that meant he was disqualified.

they would not allow him to make arrangements with the courts as he had the money to pay them, it was a simple mater of shuffling paperwork and getting it handled, clerical error really.

they said no your out. separated him from the rest of his class and a day or 2 later(don’t remember what he said) he was out the door in street cloths walking to the greyhound.

he had his license back and handled no more than 2 days after returning home.
and he is disqualified from further enlistment and also it looks really bad on him because they said he lied on his application, and it was lying to the federal government. its affected his chances of decent jobs because he can not pass a background check now ( federal criminal charges for lying under oath to the.gov)
I always thought he was full of crap telling me this but then you said the same thing can happen and it clicked and I remembered his story.

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And thats America for you. A country whose citizens love her, but she does not love you back. I always felt like that as an American.

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Good luck. Seriously.

I am a US Vet. I wouldn’t join a foreign military but that’s just me. I think the US military offers the best opportunity for a young man of any service.

That being said the Spanish military is modern and first class. For a European army they are well trained and equipped and have a warrior mentality. A lot of the larger Euro armies lost that edge. (the normal exceptions apply such as GB, Poland, Netherlands etc)

Again, good luck, stay focused and focus on your training, not the day ahead of you.

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Christ, no fucking wonder they won’t have you. ‘Mentally unstable’ is not a quality I like in the military, personally.

And I thought everyone knew that you don’t lie when enlisting? Of course that’s going to get you kicked out. It’s not the government’s fault you didn’t tell them about your traffic fines. If you disclose something that small, I see no reason why it would be a problem.