watch it sevenmoist.
remember, spartanx is a ‘fat guy with great endurance’
[quote]SpartanX wrote:
Like I said, after six months when the bleep pops on their background check, I’ll get booted from any US service.[/quote]
gotcha.
well i mean, that does sounds pretty cool i guess. what does the timeline for this look like?
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
watch it sevenmoist.
remember, spartanx is a ‘fat guy with great endurance’[/quote]
Judging by the profile pic, apparently you are too. I’ve lost 10 lbs since that post anyways.
I’ gonna go in August, that’s my plan. I’ll join for 3 years.
Have your even talked to a recuiter in any division of America’s Armed Services…Or are you just saying that you won’t pass a background check because you just know? If you haven’t then whats the harm in going down explaining your situation and seeing what they can do? If you have the FFL is better. JCVD did a movie about it them so you know they are badass.
[quote]SpartanX wrote:
Judging by the profile pic, apparently you are too. I’ve lost 10 lbs since that post anyways.
I’ gonna go in August, that’s my plan. I’ll join for 3 years.[/quote]
well that’s nice, does richard simmons make you ‘feel like a pony’ when you sweat?
how long does it take (average) to get a spanish citizenship?
[quote]SpartanX wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
If you have “things in your past” that would definitely get you booted out of U.S. military…what slack will be given that will not allow the same to happen in Spanish Legion??
Because they won’t background check me for shit in the USA. Thing about USMC see is, alot of shit goes under radar when they enlist you, and then four months later it shows up once your number gets called on background check in that dep’t.
You get an appointment, get told you got fraudelent enlistment, because you did not disclose things that would block you from enlistment. You find yourself on the next to worse charge than dishonorable discharge, and back where you started off, + plus disgrace, and minus a good chunk of your year.
I’d rather just avoid that whole ordeal, as I know I’ll get rejected from USMC if I’m upfront or any other service. So it’s better just to go to another country than be a permanent pariah in my own.
I’ve always wanted to serve in the military, but if I can’t do it here, then I guess this isn’t the place I should be.
My country will allow exfelons, former drug users, former alcholics, exgang members, sloppy fucks, barely legal immigrants, near retards who can barely pass the asvab to join their service. But they will not let me, join for one stupid fucking mistake, I commited in my life.
I am physical fit, intelligent, honorable, strong mentally, and willing to dedicate myself to this way of life. They still would rather have Tyrone the exgangmember with the slangin’ charge.
So I’d rather be done with it, it kind of empitimozes everything that is wrong about this place. Better to move on than mope or be second class.[/quote]
You see the irony is that you sit here and belittle those who you feel don’t deserve to enlist because of their past mistakes…YET you want a pass regardless of your mistakes.
Enlistees past mistakes are not the problem…its the character thats lacking. I see it everyday. Sounds like your character would be an issue as well.
Oh…and I can’t help but notice that you included “barely legal immigrants” in your list of unworthy soldiers. Yet here you are talking about becoming a “barely legal immigrant” soldier in Spain. Also,is all of this a reaction to you being fed up with America…OR…is just because you feel you can’t join the U.S. military???
Go talk to a recruiter. To put all of this in perspective,if you really feel the U.S. military standards are so low that it allows people with “unworthy” backgrounds to serve…how will you be the exception?? You should fit right in.
If your BI “pops” while in the foreign military they might just keep you anyway, but give you a shite job far and away from any and all classified material. Like the US military I imagine they still need people to clean toilets.
So how many people do you know that were kicked out of the Marine Corps because of a “blip” in their background?
I don’t know what you did or what you think automatically disqualifies you from service but you should at least talk to a recruiter about it.
If you really do have those qualities you listed then I’m sure a recruiter will try and help you out.
For instance I know a guy who just received a wavier to get in from the Eastern United States Marine Corps Recruiting Command. So, if you really are as good as you say you are then there is always hope.
It is kind of disheartening though that you could so easily change allegiances to another country.
I don’t know if you intend on performing a combat role or not but would you really be OK with fighting and possibly dying for Spain?
Also why Spain? Like others have said go French Foreign Legion. If I’m not mistaken its only a 7 year contract. They pay for everything, you learn french, and if you retire from the FFL they board you up in a French villa and take care of you for the rest of your life.
I just went through the enlistment process myself and yes the military does let in some people with rough pasts and questionable characters but so what?
Not everyone is like that. Also so apparently you condemn them for their past mistakes but you think yours should be so quickly overlooked?
I myself gave up college to join up because I wanted to serve my country first and then serve myself later. I have no criminal history, drug abuse, and I am mentally stable.
I scored an 88 on my ASVAB and a 120 on my GT.
I’d say I’m a decent recruit and there are tons more just like me.
So really my only advice is:
- Talk to a recruiter.
- If you go join somewhere else make it the FFL
- Get over yourself. Every military in the world is built on teamwork. You need to lose this attitude of supremacy that you displayed with the way you described enlistees in the U.S. military. You cannot possibly work and function with people you don’t respect just because you think you’re better.
Joining the military is a big decision.
Best of Luck.
I think they repealed don’t-ask-don’t-tell, so you you should be cool…
I’ve actually been considering joining the FFL later in the year, myself. I can’t seem to find much information, sadly, except for the stipulation you just show up in France and see what happens. Can any military folks offer an honest opinion on the Legion? Are they a decent, squared-away choice, or should I think more about the US military?
Then again, I’m not doing it under the impression that ‘America sucks Ima go way-way 4ever’.
That’s pretty weak.
Al-Qaeda has an excellent benefits package.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Go talk to a recruiter. To put all of this in perspective,if you really feel the U.S. military standards are so low that it allows people with “unworthy” backgrounds to serve…how will you be the exception?? You should fit right in.[/quote]
Yep. I agree with this. Why not just be upfront with any past sins and let them (USMC) decide? You’ve demonstrated that you are honest and above board, so wtf?
Didn’t Spain bend over when terrorists set off a bomb on a train there, 4 days before an election? Why do you want to go and defend a pussified nation like that anyway?
[quote]dk44 wrote:
Al-Qaeda has an excellent benefits package. [/quote]
Oh hell yeah, Al-Qaeda has a serious dental and health package…Bin Laden will even match your 401k contributions!
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
I’ve actually been considering joining the FFL later in the year, myself. I can’t seem to find much information, sadly, except for the stipulation you just show up in France and see what happens.
Can any military folks offer an honest opinion on the Legion? Are they a decent, squared-away choice, or should I think more about the US military?
Then again, I’m not doing it under the impression that ‘America sucks Ima go way-way 4ever’.
That’s pretty weak.[/quote]
I had a friend who was in the FFL, and he said the training was all bullshit. He said when it came to military skills, and infantry tactics, they’re utter dog shit. Physical standards where high, but if you look at most infantry units, especially in Europe, this isn’t uncommon.
The French military simply isn’t in great shape at the moment, but that may change. Quite simply, the FFL are being trained by superiors who probably have no experience in combat.
If I was you, I’d stick to the American military. You’ll get better training, you’ll get to live in America, and if you’re joining to fight, you’ve got a much better chance of that there.
For the record, my friend said the training to become a Royal Marines Commando was a lot more… comprehensive. Less bullshit and bravado.
I’m not sure what the deal is with foreigners though. I had guys from St Lucia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa in my troop. I think it’s because they’re commonwealth countries though.
[quote]lloydk wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
I’ve actually been considering joining the FFL later in the year, myself. I can’t seem to find much information, sadly, except for the stipulation you just show up in France and see what happens.
Can any military folks offer an honest opinion on the Legion? Are they a decent, squared-away choice, or should I think more about the US military?
Then again, I’m not doing it under the impression that ‘America sucks Ima go way-way 4ever’.
That’s pretty weak.
I had a friend who was in the FFL, and he said the training was all bullshit. He said when it came to military skills, and infantry tactics, they’re utter dog shit. Physical standards where high, but if you look at most infantry units, especially in Europe, this isn’t uncommon.
The French military simply isn’t in great shape at the moment, but that may change. Quite simply, the FFL are being trained by superiors who probably have no experience in combat.
If I was you, I’d stick to the American military. You’ll get better training, you’ll get to live in America, and if you’re joining to fight, you’ve got a much better chance of that there.
For the record, my friend said the training to become a Royal Marines Commando was a lot more… comprehensive. Less bullshit and bravado.
I’m not sure what the deal is with foreigners though. I had guys from St Lucia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa in my troop. I think it’s because they’re commonwealth countries though.
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US it is, then. I’m American, so it all works out well, at any rate, and I do want to fight.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
lloydk wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
I’ve actually been considering joining the FFL later in the year, myself. I can’t seem to find much information, sadly, except for the stipulation you just show up in France and see what happens.
Can any military folks offer an honest opinion on the Legion? Are they a decent, squared-away choice, or should I think more about the US military?
Then again, I’m not doing it under the impression that ‘America sucks Ima go way-way 4ever’.
That’s pretty weak.
I had a friend who was in the FFL, and he said the training was all bullshit. He said when it came to military skills, and infantry tactics, they’re utter dog shit. Physical standards where high, but if you look at most infantry units, especially in Europe, this isn’t uncommon.
The French military simply isn’t in great shape at the moment, but that may change. Quite simply, the FFL are being trained by superiors who probably have no experience in combat.
If I was you, I’d stick to the American military. You’ll get better training, you’ll get to live in America, and if you’re joining to fight, you’ve got a much better chance of that there.
For the record, my friend said the training to become a Royal Marines Commando was a lot more… comprehensive. Less bullshit and bravado.
I’m not sure what the deal is with foreigners though. I had guys from St Lucia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa in my troop. I think it’s because they’re commonwealth countries though.
US it is, then. I’m American, so it all works out well, at any rate, and I do want to fight.[/quote]
Yeah you’re definitely better off at home then mate. I’ve never worked with US Army, but I’ve did some training with a load of USMC guys, and they seem like a decent bunch! Come to think of it… the instructor who taught us our surf drills was an American marine. That was pretty odd, it’s usually always the other way around.
hahaha.
at LDAC, we had some sandhurst guys cross training with us.
marched funny, couldn’t understand half of their ‘english’, but kick ass guys nonetheless.
[quote]lloydk wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
lloydk wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
I’ve actually been considering joining the FFL later in the year, myself. I can’t seem to find much information, sadly, except for the stipulation you just show up in France and see what happens.
Can any military folks offer an honest opinion on the Legion? Are they a decent, squared-away choice, or should I think more about the US military?
Then again, I’m not doing it under the impression that ‘America sucks Ima go way-way 4ever’.
That’s pretty weak.
I had a friend who was in the FFL, and he said the training was all bullshit. He said when it came to military skills, and infantry tactics, they’re utter dog shit. Physical standards where high, but if you look at most infantry units, especially in Europe, this isn’t uncommon.
The French military simply isn’t in great shape at the moment, but that may change. Quite simply, the FFL are being trained by superiors who probably have no experience in combat.
If I was you, I’d stick to the American military. You’ll get better training, you’ll get to live in America, and if you’re joining to fight, you’ve got a much better chance of that there.
For the record, my friend said the training to become a Royal Marines Commando was a lot more… comprehensive. Less bullshit and bravado.
I’m not sure what the deal is with foreigners though. I had guys from St Lucia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa in my troop. I think it’s because they’re commonwealth countries though.
US it is, then. I’m American, so it all works out well, at any rate, and I do want to fight.
Yeah you’re definitely better off at home then mate. I’ve never worked with US Army, but I’ve did some training with a load of USMC guys, and they seem like a decent bunch! Come to think of it… the instructor who taught us our surf drills was an American marine. That was pretty odd, it’s usually always the other way around.[/quote]
I’m planning on the Marine Corps, once I take care of a few things first. In fact, I’m going to try to see a recruiter tomorrow.
[quote]SpartanX wrote:
HolyMacaroni wrote:
watch it sevenmoist.
remember, spartanx is a ‘fat guy with great endurance’
Judging by the profile pic, apparently you are too. I’ve lost 10 lbs since that post anyways.
I’ gonna go in August, that’s my plan. I’ll join for 3 years.[/quote]
did u just call holymacaroni fat? ;p;
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Go talk to a recruiter. To put all of this in perspective,if you really feel the U.S. military standards are so low that it allows people with “unworthy” backgrounds to serve…how will you be the exception?? You should fit right in.
Yep. I agree with this. Why not just be upfront with any past sins and let them (USMC) decide? You’ve demonstrated that you are honest and above board, so wtf?
Didn’t Spain bend over when terrorists set off a bomb on a train there, 4 days before an election? Why do you want to go and defend a pussified nation like that anyway?
[/quote]
nice weather and beaches? plus they have remada or whatever that shit is called when they legit stop everything for an hour or 2 and chill out, sounds better than getting your 401k stolen in the USA