[quote]rainjack wrote:
How is it that you guys who are so into protecting the life of a fucking thief - who has absolutely no regard for anyone but themselves - completely miss the fact that they are the ones breaking the law?
Feel good liberals…WTF?
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Insane warmonger wtf.
We know they are breaking the law. But we think that the punishment must fit the crime.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I doubt that, if put in the situation, you would take the time either. Not saying you would shoot - because it’s pretty hard to get a clean shot off when you are hiding. [/quote]
Haha.
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
rainjack wrote:
How is it that you guys who are so into protecting the life of a fucking thief - who has absolutely no regard for anyone but themselves - completely miss the fact that they are the ones breaking the law?
Feel good liberals…WTF?
Insane warmonger wtf.
We know they are breaking the law. But we think that the punishment must fit the crime.[/quote]
Insane warmonger? That’s how you view people that believe they have the right to protect their property with deadly force?
nuff said.
like talking to a brick wall
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
And there can be other scenarios.
Maybe a young adult is kicked out by his abusing father, and living on the streets. After not eating for a week he decides to rob a house.
A girl is sexually abused, and becomes a drug addict. Becomes a criminal.
You see, these are all people with different fates that have led to this. You say that they deserve it…
You know too little to decide if someone should cease existing. [/quote]
These scenarios, while sad, are not valid.
If someone intends to harm you or gives the impression that they will do such, you owe them nothing. You have no obligation to understand why they are doing what they are doing.
[quote]Chewie wrote:
SteinJorgen wrote:
And there can be other scenarios.
Maybe a young adult is kicked out by his abusing father, and living on the streets. After not eating for a week he decides to rob a house.
A girl is sexually abused, and becomes a drug addict. Becomes a criminal.
You see, these are all people with different fates that have led to this. You say that they deserve it…
You know too little to decide if someone should cease existing.
These scenarios, while sad, are not valid.
If someone intends to harm you or gives the impression that they will do such, you owe them nothing. You have no obligation to understand why they are doing what they are doing.
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We weren’t discussing self defense.
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
Eh… Some translation.
Also, I would say it demands more balls to arrest someone, than just shooting anyone. Especially an unarmed opponent.
It’s like swatting a fly with a canon.[/quote]
The men were not unarmed they had crow bars to break in to the house. The person who shot them was 70 years old. I don’t think a 70 year old man is going to get in to a wrestling match with two guys with crow bars.
Second, Many times violet crimes have witnesses who chose to do nothing. A person getting attacked pleas for help to people who hear but chose not to do anything. If you would call the police and not intervene in this case would you do the same it some one was being beaten by a mob? Would you go and try and fight the whole unarmed mob? Or would you, if you had a gun tell them to stop or you would start shooting? What would your options be at that point? You would either become a victim to the mob, or a murder in your eyes, or a hero in mine. Calling the cops might not save the person quick enough. It sounds like many of you would be the type to watch as the person got beaten until the police arrived. You had better hope that your neighbors are not like yourselves in the event that you are the one getting attacked.
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
Chewie wrote:
SteinJorgen wrote:
And there can be other scenarios.
Maybe a young adult is kicked out by his abusing father, and living on the streets. After not eating for a week he decides to rob a house.
A girl is sexually abused, and becomes a drug addict. Becomes a criminal.
You see, these are all people with different fates that have led to this. You say that they deserve it…
You know too little to decide if someone should cease existing.
These scenarios, while sad, are not valid.
If someone intends to harm you or gives the impression that they will do such, you owe them nothing. You have no obligation to understand why they are doing what they are doing.
We weren’t discussing self defense.[/quote]
Protecting you property is not self-defense? Sorry, but me protecting my property is nothing but self-defense.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
It sounds like many of you would be the type to watch as the person got beaten until the police arrived. You had better hope that your neighbors are not like yourselves in the event that you are the one getting attacked.
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Hogwash. I would never stand idly by if someone is getting hurt or get robbed.
But we were discussing the two men robbing the neighbor house. How you connect that to us being people that watch people getting beat is beyond me.
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
rainjack wrote:
How is it that you guys who are so into protecting the life of a fucking thief - who has absolutely no regard for anyone but themselves - completely miss the fact that they are the ones breaking the law?
Feel good liberals…WTF?
Insane warmonger wtf.
We know they are breaking the law. But we think that the punishment must fit the crime.[/quote]
Why should the punishment fit the crime? It is impossible to determine if a crime has been committed. However the shooter is allowed to remedy a situation in which his life or property is threatened. Same for his nieghbor’s life and property.
The State has laws that lay out when lethal force is justified. Protecting property is one of those situations. Lethal Force, in that instance ,is not a punishment since no blame is assessed. It is simply a potential remedy to prevent a criminal act that the shooter is observing.
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
Chewie wrote:
SteinJorgen wrote:
And there can be other scenarios.
Maybe a young adult is kicked out by his abusing father, and living on the streets. After not eating for a week he decides to rob a house.
A girl is sexually abused, and becomes a drug addict. Becomes a criminal.
You see, these are all people with different fates that have led to this. You say that they deserve it…
You know too little to decide if someone should cease existing.
These scenarios, while sad, are not valid.
If someone intends to harm you or gives the impression that they will do such, you owe them nothing. You have no obligation to understand why they are doing what they are doing.
We weren’t discussing self defense.[/quote]
Yes.
We are discussing self-defense.
That is the issue here.
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
BlakeAJackson wrote:
It sounds like many of you would be the type to watch as the person got beaten until the police arrived. You had better hope that your neighbors are not like yourselves in the event that you are the one getting attacked.
Hogwash. I would never stand idly by if someone is getting hurt or get robbed.
But we were discussing the two men robbing the neighbor house. How you connect that to us being people that watch people getting beat is beyond me.
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Robbery/ forced entry in to a home is an act of violence in my eyes. That is how I make the connection.
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
BlakeAJackson wrote:
It sounds like many of you would be the type to watch as the person got beaten until the police arrived. You had better hope that your neighbors are not like yourselves in the event that you are the one getting attacked.
Hogwash. I would never stand idly by if someone is getting hurt or get robbed.
But we were discussing the two men robbing the neighbor house. How you connect that to us being people that watch people getting beat is beyond me.
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How could you be 100% sure that a person was not home if you were in this mans position? What if their kid had stayed home sick from school that day?
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
BlakeAJackson wrote:
It sounds like many of you would be the type to watch as the person got beaten until the police arrived. You had better hope that your neighbors are not like yourselves in the event that you are the one getting attacked.
Hogwash. I would never stand idly by if someone is getting hurt or get robbed.
But we were discussing the two men robbing the neighbor house. How you connect that to us being people that watch people getting beat is beyond me.
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The men were not unarmed they had crow bars to break in to the house. The person who shot them was 70 years old. I don’t think a 70 year old man is going to get in to a wrestling match with two guys with crow bars.
You forgot to address this point that I made in the above post you quoted. Why was that?
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
SteinJorgen wrote:
BlakeAJackson wrote:
It sounds like many of you would be the type to watch as the person got beaten until the police arrived. You had better hope that your neighbors are not like yourselves in the event that you are the one getting attacked.
Hogwash. I would never stand idly by if someone is getting hurt or get robbed.
But we were discussing the two men robbing the neighbor house. How you connect that to us being people that watch people getting beat is beyond me.
The men were not unarmed they had crow bars to break in to the house. The person who shot them was 70 years old. I don’t think a 70 year old man is going to get in to a wrestling match with two guys with crow bars.
You forgot to address this point that I made in the above post you quoted. Why was that?
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Why would he need to wrestle?
This discussion is over, you clearly don’t want to hear opinions that differ with your own. So get your guns and shot the next bastard that tries to steal your neighbours dvdplayer.
Just to clearify, if you were in a home being broken into, and threatening with a gun didn’t scare the burglar away - I too would also shoot. To protect my family.
[quote]SteinJorgen wrote:
Why would he need to wrestle?
This discussion is over, you clearly don’t want to hear opinions that differ with your own. So get your guns and shot the next bastard that tries to steal your neighbours dvdplayer.
Just to clearify, if you were in a home being broken into, and threatening with a gun didn’t scare the burglar away - I too would also shoot. To protect my family. [/quote]
Seems to me - judging by the way the “hide in the corner” crowd likes to change the scenarios to fit their own point of view - that you are the one that cam into the argument with the unchanging mind. Who is talking about dvd players? That is your fantasy.
I think you are full of shit. You would not shoot. FI so - you are the biggest hypocrite on this forum.
It’s okay for you to shoot, but not anyone else. Why is that?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
SteinJorgen wrote:
Why would he need to wrestle?
This discussion is over, you clearly don’t want to hear opinions that differ with your own. So get your guns and shot the next bastard that tries to steal your neighbours dvdplayer.
Just to clearify, if you were in a home being broken into, and threatening with a gun didn’t scare the burglar away - I too would also shoot. To protect my family.
Seems to me - judging by the way the “hide in the corner” crowd likes to change the scenarios to fit their own point of view - that you are the one that cam into the argument with the unchanging mind. Who is talking about dvd players? That is your fantasy.
I think you are full of shit. You would not shoot. FI so - you are the biggest hypocrite on this forum.
It’s okay for you to shoot, but not anyone else. Why is that? [/quote]
He is saying that he would shoot someone breaking into his own home but would not shoot someone outside of his house who had not broken into his house.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
He is saying that he would shoot someone breaking into his own home but would not shoot someone outside of his house who had not broken into his house.[/quote]
And there is the thing that you guys just don’t seem to get: In this culture, protecting your neighbor’s property is no different than protecting your own.
If the absent homeowner tells police that he asked his neighbor to watch over his property, that could play in the shooter’s favor, defense attorney Tommy LaFon, who is also a former Harris County prosecutor, told the Houston Chronicle. “That could put him (the gunman) in an ownership role.”
[quote]CCFan wrote:
If the absent homeowner tells police that he asked his neighbor to watch over his property, that could play in the shooter’s favor, defense attorney Tommy LaFon, who is also a former Harris County prosecutor, told the Houston Chronicle. “That could put him (the gunman) in an ownership role.”[/quote]
This is because in Texas it is expected that people will look out for each other. This is not an opinion. It is the law as we have been saying.