[quote]Stronghold wrote:
texasguy2 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
I believe that the issue up for debate here is whether or not the man was in enough danger to have warranted him killing the two men. I personally feel like he would have been better off staying in his house and letting the police handle it. They were on the scene almost immediately (listen to the tape, the cops show up less than a minute after the gunshots).
He absolutely was in enough danger to warrant gun shots. When do you consider a situation dangerous enough to pull a gun? After one has been drawn on you? Good luck.
The man was in no danger until he left his house. He left his house knowing that he was putting himself in a dangerous situation but he continued because he intended to kill both men.
The guy lived in a rough area, Chewie knows first hand and I’ll second that having grown up in the same city, though in a different neighborhood. Pasadena does have some rough spots. The guy lived in one, witnessed a complete disregard for the law and was proactive in protecting himself, rather than waiting to see if he should have acted, in which case he would have been too late. That is how self protection works. Take action to protect yourself before you get hurt, not after.
He wasnt protecting himself from shit. Once again, he left his house and entered what he knew was a potentially dangerous situation with the intent of killing both men. Thats not self defense, its premeditated murder.
In high school, I worked at a Redwing shoe store off of N. Gessner, in a neighborhood that also wasn’t that great. I was robbed in broad daylight, and at the behest of the store owner, did not have a gun. At first the robbers just told me to give them the cash, I told them to fuck off and one of them pulled a pistol, confiscated my phone and the store phones, herded me to the back room and then went up front to break the drawer open with his buddy.
This scenario has more to do with your right to carry a weapon (which I support) than your right to use it. In this situation, you could claim defense.
I don’t see how that is much different from this guys case.
Once again, read my previous two statements in this post.
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The criminals could very well have broken in to his house next, and killed him if they found him home. He proactively prevented this. This is what the law allows.
The stretch is that the property was his neighbors, the subculture here is to protect your neighbors as you would yourself, not to mention the guy was in danger. He didn’t go looking for criminals, they found him.
As rainjack has put it, stay out of Texas if you don’t like it. The man was within legal bounds, he was certainly within cultural bounds and his actions are in line with what most would expect for the area.
If you don’t like, don’t move here.