Three hours, forty-two minutes.
Not bad, Push, but you were quicker before.
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
[quote]Lift or die wrote:
Counter points
1.Is this multiple meeting or same day? If it is the same day who is to say that the girl your having sex with several hours later is not doing this to every guy she meets or do you think your that special?
- Men for the most part . Men invest the time effort, money, and seduce. Women do not typically. Men value sex more. Women can have sex whenever they want. Most men cannot. Women are making the selection sexually most of the time unless men can offer other things (money, alpha characteristics, status power).
If a man has these things at greater level then the sexual value of the women then he will make the selection because if the girl does not want him there is always more that will.
So who possesses more skill the man who has amassed (money, power, alpha characteristics) and beds women with ease as a result of this or the women who throws her self at men and says fuck me? This is why women should not give her sexuality away freely but to a deserving man because she is setting the market price for it (scarcity) if everyone has (or had) something then its not really that valuable, aka sluts.
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Refer to point one. If she is having sex with most guys soon after meeting them she is setting her market value low basically saying all guys deserve me even the pieces of shit. If pieces of shit deserve you what does that make you? I think you know the answer
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Men and Women are not the same, Men and Women are not the same.
Men’s sexual objectives in encounter with a woman. From a evolutionary perspective impregnate as many women as possible (Hit it and quit it) (Alpha characteristics) . Or option 2 find mate with desirable mother qualities raise children (Beta characteristics provide for mother)
Woman’s sexual objectives. Find mate for protection, provision and child rearing (Beta provider) or Good genes theory find alpha with good genes raise children independently.
OR OPTION 3 The reality of today. Find Beta mate for protection,provision and child rearing. Have sex with Alpha who has good genes get Beta to provide and raise children while Alpha impregnates. WIN-WIN for Mother. LOSE LOSE for father. Win for Alpha
Or the alternative that was much easier in the past because the imbalances of power between Men and Women were much greater. Men can be both Providers (Beta) and Lovers (Alpha) and they will be the ones who have successful marriages but this is become rarer as the power between men and women begins to equalize. This is why Men must hold the power in relationship because if not she will just look for a BBD (Bigger Better Deal).
You can believe in the world where men and women are the same but just because you believe it doesn’t mean it exists. Perhaps you should look at Human Sexuality from a Evolutionary Basis.
This is what I have put together through life experience as well as Human Sexuality from a Evolutionary Basis.[/quote]
Main points:
Orion is trying to say that all women are like this. I argue that some of them may be, but NOT all of them. So…
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What I’m saying is that sleeping with a guy immediately does not make her a slut. She may be one and it may even be an indicator - but it’s not proof by itself.
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I see what you’re trying to say. But there are men who’ll fuck a tree and girls who pick their targets carefully. What I’m saying is that you shouldn’t value a person based on his/her number of partners without including quite a few other factors. It’s too short-sighted for my taste.
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That’s the point - ARE we talking about a girl who’ll fuck about anyone? And how many of these are there, percentage-wise? I’ve known some, yes, but most girls I know are picky.
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Aah, that theory. Did it ever occur to you that humans mate even when the females aren’t fertile and that we are one of the few species who can feel lust? That sex isn’t just there for procreation but establishes social ties etc.? How does homosexuality play into this? Seriously, it’s not as simple as “strong Caveman need fertile Cavewoman for to make baby, durr”.
I just think Orion is massively simplifying.[/quote]
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No it is not but put it this way I prefer to border on the side of caution on this and go with Meehl’s Maxim the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
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What other factors? How promiscuous a women is can tell me a lot about them. Would you marry a girl who slept with 100 guys? I would not. Sex for male physical release for the most part. Female bonding experience for the most part. Some males and females will vary on the spectrum but for the vast majority follow those rules. If a female bonds with multiple partners generally I am pretty skeptical of her girlfriend/wifey quality. Vice Versa can happen to males but to a lesser extent.
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Yes most girls are picky but if the right guy comes along the boyfriend is usually screwed, I am generally a very laid back guy not big into the social scene but I am always amazed at how many girls are willing to cheat on their boyfriend with me. Maybe I am just the right guy lol i dunno it doesn’t build faith and makes me want to avoid all relationships
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Lust is simply sexual anticipation its a feedback loop (Power of Habit) cue-routine-reward. Lust=sexual cue and then maybe a routine (Flirting downloading porn) then reward (sex, masturbation). Yes but the end game is procreation, to unite blood lines etc. Homosexuality is not something I am well versed in but it does not seem adaptive in passing down genes or furthering species from a passing on genes perspective. I have emulated some of the PUA methodology before which is based on Human Sexuality from a evolutionary perspective and it is very effective, shockingly so.
I mean I have given you my stance which does have studies and theories to back it up do you have any to support your own opinion (I am not trying to be condescending I just want to hear your supported opinion)
It may be more complicated then “strong Caveman need fertile Cavewoman for to make baby, durr” but its a good start and if you could point me in a direction that refutes this it would be greatly appreciated.
“The number of people on these forums who do not recognize the validity of evolution is staggering” is a statement of fact, just as “the number of people on these forums who do not recognize a living human fetus as being both living and human is staggering” or “the number of people on these forums who fail to see the qualitative difference between a swinging lifestyle and adultery is staggering” are statements of fact. Not whining.
Quasi-religious?
See, this is the great thing about not having a dog in the fight. I don’t have to throw any bones to either dog. Whether life as we know it evolved gradually over millions of years, deriving from common ancestral forms, or developed gradually over thousands of years, deriving from common ancestral kinds, the result is the same. We are here now.
What I might believe about how what happened in the past affects the present, the future, or my relationship with the Universe and the Almighty, is ultimately my business. Just as your beliefs are yours. That I might not want to share all of your beliefs should come as no more of a shock to you than the revelation that I don’t wish to share your toothbrush, your underwear, or your wife.
No offense intended to Meesus Push, of course.
So no, I don’t bristle. I don’t even ruffle that much, any more.
But please, don’t let me spoil your fun.
could i get a response to my second post on this thread.
Where do we go from here?
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Where do we go from here?[/quote]
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Where do we go from here?[/quote]
Lubricants.
What kind, what for, and how much?
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
what do you mean by this? that I should look in a church for a good girl? surely you jest, as this is where all the loosest girls congregate.
trust me, ive been in Christian school all of my young life.[/quote]
Forgive me. I should have said non Catholic church.
I dare you to try a large Baptist or Methodist or Christian church, but make sure you check out the singles group. There are a lot of mothers that tell their daughters the same thing.
I’m done quoting 
(Seriously, it gets too tedious and confusing)
- I do believe in evolution. But mixing evolution and psychology is a slippery slope that has little to do with what Darwin had to say.
Re: lift or die:
2: 100 partners is a LOT. Getting to 100 partners while being picky is probably going to be a difficult task for most people so the actual issue won’t be the number - it will be the way she achieved it. So the girl in question would probably be someone I wouldn’t marry - but probably for a host of other reasons. The “100” would be a symptom of other stuff which I would make sure to find out. Believe me, I’m picky.
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Depends on the woman. You are right about a fair number of PEOPLE in general though.
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What I was trying to get at is that homosexuality serves no procreative function yet evolution hasn’t weeded it out - which would indicate that non-procreative sex is in some way useful, right?
To make my points clear, once and for all…
- yes, there are faithless, bitchy girls out there. The same goes for guys. Luckily, there are also decent people around.
- I dislike arguments that go like “men are like ABC, women are like XYZ”. Our individual psychologies mean this is too simple.
- PUA’s capitalise on many psychological weaknesses that are, I would argue, human, not just female.
- Our society uses different values for raising girls and boys. How, then, do you find out which parts of their behaviour are biological?
Look up stuff on the Mosuo people in China. Look up Ahmad Ibn Fadlan?s description of Viking culture and its sexual practices. What I’m saying is:
I don’t doubt some people behave in a certain way. What I doubt is that this behaviour is universal.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
what do you mean by this? that I should look in a church for a good girl? surely you jest, as this is where all the loosest girls congregate.
trust me, ive been in Christian school all of my young life.[/quote]
Forgive me. I should have said non Catholic church.
I dare you to try a large Baptist or Methodist or Christian church, but make sure you check out the singles group. There are a lot of mothers that tell their daughters the same thing.
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I sure remember there being a lot of sluts at the Southern Baptist mega-church I went to.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Where do we go from here?[/quote]
Lubricants.
What kind, what for, and how much?
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Water based, so as to not destroy condoms.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
what do you mean by this? that I should look in a church for a good girl? surely you jest, as this is where all the loosest girls congregate.
trust me, ive been in Christian school all of my young life.[/quote]
Forgive me. I should have said non Catholic church.
I dare you to try a large Baptist or Methodist or Christian church, but make sure you check out the singles group. There are a lot of mothers that tell their daughters the same thing.
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I sure remember there being a lot of sluts at the Southern Baptist mega-church I went to. [/quote]
There is a PUA who calls church the sunday morning night club or some such.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
what do you mean by this? that I should look in a church for a good girl? surely you jest, as this is where all the loosest girls congregate.
trust me, ive been in Christian school all of my young life.[/quote]
Forgive me. I should have said non Catholic church.
I dare you to try a large Baptist or Methodist or Christian church, but make sure you check out the singles group. There are a lot of mothers that tell their daughters the same thing.
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I sure remember there being a lot of sluts at the Southern Baptist mega-church I went to. [/quote]
So, you remember it fondly? ;-)[/quote]
Haha… maybe 
And to Orion. Hell yeah I can definitely see that. Especially in High School when clubs/bars aren’t an option. And the teenagers and young women sure doll themselves up and put on some tight skirts, they just don’t expose as much skin as at a club but definitely showing off some assets.
And FYI, I’m sure most everybody knows this, but ministers daughters are nuts in the worst and best of ways!
[quote]Claudan wrote:
There are a few things I remind myself of, before I go to encounters with Females:
- They are stupid as shit, and only want to hear what they want to hear… so feed them some bullshit.
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A healthy outlook and approach.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Where do we go from here?[/quote]
Lubricants.
What kind, what for, and how much?
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Water based, so as to not destroy condoms. [/quote]
I don’t know, i’ve always had good luck with olive oil without any problems.