Giving Up on Women

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[quote]theBeth wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]theBeth wrote:

[quote]SickSex6 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]RonSwanson wrote:
I guess I should’ve elaborated a bit more…
… a great group of friends, and no problem whatsoever talking to girls. [/quote]

It’s been awhile, but I’m gonna take a stab at this. If you do this, you should at least be able to lean in and kiss a girl in the next month or two. BTW, height is not an issue. The sweet spot in terms of attractiveness in men is probably 5’4" to 5’10". I’m not quite 5’2".

Hanging out in a friend group where there are both men and women is not where you want to be. You need to meet a new woman who is not currently a friend, or someone who already hangs out in a large group with you. It’s easier to stay out of the friend zone if you never go there. Do not wait around for one of those girls you are already friends with to make a move.

You are a student. Meet someone new from one of your classes. Ask her to do something with you, NOT with you and a bunch of people. Just you. Even if it’s walking over to the coffee cart so you can look at her notes after class. Whatever. As soon as you can, establish some touching. When you open the door for her, touch her back or waist. If you are crossing a busy parking lot, take her by the hand. If she has her hand on the table, put your hand on her hand and give it a little squeeze. If you are sitting together, touch her knee. This stuff is really subtle, but it makes it clear that you think of her as more than just a friend. It’s a little bit possessive and protective. When you part, give her a hug if you can or take her hand and sqeeze it. If she hugs you back, or lingers, you’re in. Then, next time if you ask her to do something and she blows you off, move on. You might try this with 10 women before you find someone who is unattached and interested. You will know if she reciprocates because she’ll smile and make eye contact more, and won’t pull away.
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5’4" to 5’10"???

Jeez, I’m so far from the sweet spot that I’m downright sour![/quote]
agreed, what the fuck is that shit? FUck![/quote]

Some people like leggy blonds with big breasts. Or curvy Latinas. Dammit. I’m neither leggy, curvy, or Latina. Please advise.

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Squat and deadlift heavy. Short girls always win the ass thigh and calf battle. Also cut your hair short if it already isnt.

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Yes!!! like this?[/quote]

Ahhh for fuck sake. Beth grow your hair. You will find a guy here and there who like short hair and half of those will be white knighteres who just say that because they want to get in your pants. The overwhelming majority of men prefer LONG hair. You’ve got that hot body so why limit the impact you make on us poor guys? Grow your hair out, take care of it so it’s shiny and luxurious and make us drool! It’s tuff to have a hot body, why fail at something so easy as hair?[/quote]

Most guys do, I’ll give you that. A. I can pull of the short hair B. I find it attracts the kind of guys I actually want. When I had long hair I got chased by skanky guys who were deficient in intellect. I find hair length seems to be way more important to guys with strong patriarchal opinions. I’m all set with that. I’m not a feminist by any means, and my hair does not detract from my femininity.[/quote]

Nothing wrong with short medium or long hair.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Wow, I’ve gained alot of respect for Mr. Walkway in this thread.

I share alot of his sentiment towards the subject matter. I think the world needs more guys like him who actually value the act of sex. So many guys are only after one thing, lower their standards drastically, and women are often forced to sell themselves on being sexy rather than smart or interesting to talk to. [/quote]

I did and still do to some degree.

However, getting bj’s from a guy for GH changes the dynamic.
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This

And his complete lack of respect for women. [/quote]

See, I’m almost ok with that, since he holds himself to just as high of standards. To me, I’m impressed by his level of conviction, and how he hasn’t wavered in his stance.

Also, I haven’t read what he’s saying as that he mistreats women or anything…just the opposite. He has been quite supportive and overly nice to them, and internally feels that none of them have quite deserved his respect.

Analogously, I was a physics TA for about 4 years, and I can say I never met a single student who was “smart” by my standards or impressed me in any way. This isn’t the same thing as saying I think all students on the west coast are dumbasses.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
I never said I got a bj for GH, I said id be down… not sure if that’s any better
and I clarified that I have never met a woman that has been worthy of my respect[/quote]

I know this sounds simplistic but have you spent any time in church lately? I know it’s not what you probably want to hear but most women that have their shit together (and aren’t into feminism) want to know there is more than what they see day after day.

didn’t have anything to do with what I wrote…just a kick ass band from the 70’s

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Wow, I’ve gained alot of respect for Mr. Walkway in this thread.

I share alot of his sentiment towards the subject matter. I think the world needs more guys like him who actually value the act of sex. So many guys are only after one thing, lower their standards drastically, and women are often forced to sell themselves on being sexy rather than smart or interesting to talk to. [/quote]

I did and still do to some degree.

However, getting bj’s from a guy for GH changes the dynamic.
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This

And his complete lack of respect for women. [/quote]

See, I’m almost ok with that, since he holds himself to just as high of standards. To me, I’m impressed by his level of conviction, and how he hasn’t wavered in his stance.

Also, I haven’t read what he’s saying as that he mistreats women or anything…just the opposite. He has been quite supportive and overly nice to them, and internally feels that none of them have quite deserved his respect.

Analogously, I was a physics TA for about 4 years, and I can say I never met a single student who was “smart” by my standards or impressed me in any way. This isn’t the same thing as saying I think all students on the west coast are dumbasses.[/quote]

im glad someone understands

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
I never said I got a bj for GH, I said id be down… not sure if that’s any better
and I clarified that I have never met a woman that has been worthy of my respect[/quote]

I know this sounds simplistic but have you spent any time in church lately? I know it’s not what you probably want to hear but most women that have their shit together (and aren’t into feminism) want to know there is more than what they see day after day.

didn’t have anything to do with what I wrote…just a kick ass band from the 70’s
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what do you mean by this? that I should look in a church for a good girl? surely you jest, as this is where all the loosest girls congregate.

trust me, ive been in Christian school all of my young life.

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
Could somebody please explain the issue with a woman who was promiscuous? If she’s used to cheating, fine, I get it; but if my girl enjoyed herself before my time and didn’t catch an STD, get pregnant or develop nasty habits, that’s up to her. Just like it is up to me how many girls I sleep with as long as I don’t cheat.

(if you agree with the last part of the last sentence but nothing else… you may have double standards)

I don’t believe in orion’s evolutionary arguments, as little as I believe in the paleo diet. If you take a look at history (and a GOOD look too, including non-western societies and ones that existed 1000+ years ago), you’ll find that gender roles have greatly differed among them. MRA’s just like to pretend that 19th century middle class standards are the way it is intended by nature - in reality, I think they sound like whiny bitches who miss the good old times where they were the ones who could have all the fun.[/quote]

There is no double standard.

A somewhat attractive young woman can slut it up at will, very few men can.

If you do not believe that a gender that invests at minimum 9 months into a pregnancy has evolved different psychological hardwiring than a gender that invests about 30 seconds if it really goes for it, fine…

What are the problems, let me count the ways…

Lack of impulse control.

Bad.

Used to bend over and spread em with anonymous men she met at the same evening.

Very bad.

No experience with relationships.

Also bad.

Sees men as disposable and interchangeable.

Very bad.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Let me just state one more time FOR THE RECORD that I work with teens and young adults and encounter all the same attitudes I did when I was that age and that I find in my peers now. I have teen girls who match the calculating user cousin who complains that there are no good men, while I work with romantic girls who are either in love or looking to fall into it for good.
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The percentages have shifted.

Just as there always were eternal bachelors who in some cases were not even gay, there were always young women slutting it up for jocks and frat boys.

However, just as a substantial minority of men determined not to tie the knot can ruin the marriage market, so can a substantial minority of sloars ruin the SMP.

It all happens at the margins.

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O,

I laughed my ass off at “baby rabies” ! Good one!

I’ve seen this condition many times.

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[quote]orion wrote:
There is no double standard.

A somewhat attractive young woman can slut it up at will, very few men can.[/quote]

Really?
What’s the word for a woman who’s had many sexual partners? - A slut.
What’s the word for a woman who’s had many sexual partners? - A stud.

I’ve never seen a man getting shamed because he fucks around; quite the contrary. Women, on the other hand…

I don’t believe in your simplistic ‘men are like this, women are like that’ attitude. People differ.

[quote]What are the problems, let me count the ways…

Lack of impulse control.

Bad.

Used to bend over and spread em with anonymous men she met at the same evening.

Very bad.

No experience with relationships.

Also bad.

Sees men as disposable and interchangeable.

Very bad. [/quote]

  1. If you meet someone and have sex several hours later, impulse control is not involved. Sorry to burst your bubble. (I wasn’t talking about a woman who will suck any dick she can reach; see, grey areas. That thing you don’t seem to comprehend so well)

  2. Would you say the same thing about the men who do the same?

  3. Who’s saying she had no relationships?

  4. Again, who’s saying…? I know quite a few women (and most of them are NOT people I’ve slept with) who’ve had both.

Repeat 2: why is this bad when women do it but apparently you don’t see the problem when men behave like this? Because it does not conform with the so-called hard-wired behavioral patterns you believe in?

… Like arguing about science with a creationist. I don’t doubt that there are selfish, slutty, etc women out there; but you seem to insist that a large chunk of them is like this. Whatever makes you happy.

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Orion, do I understand correctly:
-you’ve been born into a difficult, unsexy generation
-the welfare state has tranformed women into spoield individuals who press their confused legs tight, out of instinct (?)
-venusian artistry has unveiled this mess
^ these cliffnotes sound stupid, but you get the gist? halp, I wunt to anderstand!

@Nighthawkz
1000 year old societies and the paleo diet, evolutionary arguments, 19th Century middle class, MRA’s misogyny etc.
Dude, you’re throwing hamburgers into LSD-laced icecream while serving it as spaghetti.

Maybe this thread just became too confusing, all these lipbites, Varqanir’s return, the shameless flirting…

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
Varq & Chush like long hair.[/quote]

For the most part this is true. However there are exceptions. Here’s one. [/quote]

There’s women with short hair who make my head spin. It’s not the short hair though, it’s the women. Hair is like an accessory, like jewelry, makeup or clothes. It accentuates beauty it doesn’t make it.

Hair is my favorite accessory, btw.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I was very briefly involved with a young woman who bore a striking resemblance to Anne Hathaway, or at least, how Anne Hathaway may have looked at twenty.

Green eyes, pale skin, voluptuous lips, black hair down to her lower back. Long, long legs, the body of a dancer. 5’7" (as tall as myself), 110 pounds with a tiny waist, ample, perfectly symmetrical breasts, and a firm, round ass.

She was also the smartest, most unabashedly straightforward and non-sentimental woman I have ever known, and the best sexual partner I have ever had.

She only had two conditions to our relationship: one, that we would use condoms, and two, that we would not become emotionally involved. “I like you,” she said, “and I like fucking you. But I’m just not into romance and attachment.”

We had a pretty good thing going for a little while. Until, of course, I fucked everything up by falling in love with her.

What a woman. I doubt I’ll ever find another like her, but I’ll spend the rest of my life searching.

And no, I will not post pictures. Not that she’d mind, being a nude model with a very active webcam channel, but no, so don’t ask. [/quote]

Was this woman, by chance, a teenaged witch?

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[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Wow, I’ve gained alot of respect for Mr. Walkway in this thread.

I share alot of his sentiment towards the subject matter. I think the world needs more guys like him who actually value the act of sex. So many guys are only after one thing, lower their standards drastically, and women are often forced to sell themselves on being sexy rather than smart or interesting to talk to. [/quote]

I did and still do to some degree.

However, getting bj’s from a guy for GH changes the dynamic.
[/quote]

This

And his complete lack of respect for women. [/quote]

See, I’m almost ok with that, since he holds himself to just as high of standards. To me, I’m impressed by his level of conviction, and how he hasn’t wavered in his stance.

Also, I haven’t read what he’s saying as that he mistreats women or anything…just the opposite. He has been quite supportive and overly nice to them, and internally feels that none of them have quite deserved his respect.

Analogously, I was a physics TA for about 4 years, and I can say I never met a single student who was “smart” by my standards or impressed me in any way. This isn’t the same thing as saying I think all students on the west coast are dumbasses.[/quote]

I guess I am confused then.

I am quite picky both when I comes to dating and just friends in general. I had no problems finding a decent amount of very smart women to hangout with through undergrad in a medium sized school. I don’t know how your school worked but the smart people that I knew in undergrad never interacted with TAs

Also if you’re unable to find smart articulate women by the time you are out of undergrad its time to start changing where you attempt to met women. Just my opinion. It’s interesting reading these variable view points

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Wow, I’ve gained alot of respect for Mr. Walkway in this thread.

I share alot of his sentiment towards the subject matter. I think the world needs more guys like him who actually value the act of sex. So many guys are only after one thing, lower their standards drastically, and women are often forced to sell themselves on being sexy rather than smart or interesting to talk to. [/quote]

I did and still do to some degree.

However, getting bj’s from a guy for GH changes the dynamic.
[/quote]

This

And his complete lack of respect for women. [/quote]

See, I’m almost ok with that, since he holds himself to just as high of standards. To me, I’m impressed by his level of conviction, and how he hasn’t wavered in his stance.

Also, I haven’t read what he’s saying as that he mistreats women or anything…just the opposite. He has been quite supportive and overly nice to them, and internally feels that none of them have quite deserved his respect.

Analogously, I was a physics TA for about 4 years, and I can say I never met a single student who was “smart” by my standards or impressed me in any way. This isn’t the same thing as saying I think all students on the west coast are dumbasses.[/quote]

I guess I am confused then.

I am quite picky both when I comes to dating and just friends in general. I had no problems finding a decent amount of very smart women to hangout with through undergrad in a medium sized school. I don’t know how your school worked but the smart people that I knew in undergrad never interacted with TAs

Also if you’re unable to find smart articulate women by the time you are out of undergrad its time to start changing where you attempt to met women. Just my opinion. It’s interesting reading these variable view points[/quote]

There are plenty of lazy inept grad students in the system also. Present company excluded.

I know professors that took on PhD students with 900 GRE scores (Q+V old scores) in a science field. Cronyism is alive and well in academia.

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
There is no double standard.

A somewhat attractive young woman can slut it up at will, very few men can.[/quote]

Really?
What’s the word for a woman who’s had many sexual partners? - A slut.
What’s the word for a woman who’s had many sexual partners? - A stud.

I’ve never seen a man getting shamed because he fucks around; quite the contrary. Women, on the other hand…

I don’t believe in your simplistic ‘men are like this, women are like that’ attitude. People differ.

[quote]What are the problems, let me count the ways…

Lack of impulse control.

Bad.

Used to bend over and spread em with anonymous men she met at the same evening.

Very bad.

No experience with relationships.

Also bad.

Sees men as disposable and interchangeable.

Very bad. [/quote]

  1. If you meet someone and have sex several hours later, impulse control is not involved. Sorry to burst your bubble. (I wasn’t talking about a woman who will suck any dick she can reach; see, grey areas. That thing you don’t seem to comprehend so well)

  2. Would you say the same thing about the men who do the same?

  3. Who’s saying she had no relationships?

  4. Again, who’s saying…? I know quite a few women (and most of them are NOT people I’ve slept with) who’ve had both.

Repeat 2: why is this bad when women do it but apparently you don’t see the problem when men behave like this? Because it does not conform with the so-called hard-wired behavioral patterns you believe in?

… Like arguing about science with a creationist. I don’t doubt that there are selfish, slutty, etc women out there; but you seem to insist that a large chunk of them is like this. Whatever makes you happy.[/quote]

Counter points

1.Is this multiple meeting or same day? If it is the same day who is to say that the girl your having sex with several hours later is not doing this to every guy she meets or do you think your that special?

  1. Men for the most part . Men invest the time effort, money, and seduce. Women do not typically. Men value sex more. Women can have sex whenever they want. Most men cannot. Women are making the selection sexually most of the time unless men can offer other things (money, alpha characteristics, status power).

If a man has these things at greater level then the sexual value of the women then he will make the selection because if the girl does not want him there is always more that will.

So who possesses more skill the man who has amassed (money, power, alpha characteristics) and beds women with ease as a result of this or the women who throws her self at men and says fuck me? This is why women should not give her sexuality away freely but to a deserving man because she is setting the market price for it (scarcity) if everyone has (or had) something then its not really that valuable, aka sluts.

  1. Refer to point one. If she is having sex with most guys soon after meeting them she is setting her market value low basically saying all guys deserve me even the pieces of shit. If pieces of shit deserve you what does that make you? I think you know the answer

  2. Men and Women are not the same, Men and Women are not the same.

Men’s sexual objectives in encounter with a woman. From a evolutionary perspective impregnate as many women as possible (Hit it and quit it) (Alpha characteristics) . Or option 2 find mate with desirable mother qualities raise children (Beta characteristics provide for mother)

Woman’s sexual objectives. Find mate for protection, provision and child rearing (Beta provider) or Good genes theory find alpha with good genes raise children independently.

OR OPTION 3 The reality of today. Find Beta mate for protection,provision and child rearing. Have sex with Alpha who has good genes get Beta to provide and raise children while Alpha impregnates. WIN-WIN for Mother. LOSE LOSE for father. Win for Alpha

Or the alternative that was much easier in the past because the imbalances of power between Men and Women were much greater. Men can be both Providers (Beta) and Lovers (Alpha) and they will be the ones who have successful marriages but this is become rarer as the power between men and women begins to equalize. This is why Men must hold the power in relationship because if not she will just look for a BBD (Bigger Better Deal).

You can believe in the world where men and women are the same but just because you believe it doesn’t mean it exists. Perhaps you should look at Human Sexuality from a Evolutionary Basis.

This is what I have put together through life experience as well as Human Sexuality from a Evolutionary Basis.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Orion, do I understand correctly:
-you’ve been born into a difficult, unsexy generation
-the welfare state has tranformed women into spoield individuals who press their confused legs tight, out of instinct (?)
-venusian artistry has unveiled this mess
^ these cliffnotes sound stupid, but you get the gist? halp, I wunt to anderstand!
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Um no.

Or maybe yes.

I was born into a generation that was taught the old rules, if they were taught any rules at all.

Alas, meanwhile, things had changed.

Then, they do spread em, just for the “sexiest” 20% of that age group, which happens to be same 20% who the girls wanting an LTR are after and the same 20% teh eternal virgins cannot get which is why they keep their legs shut.

That is of course an exageration, but this is the general gist.

Then, the Venusian arts existed before, but Roissy combined evopsych and cultural developments and game which is why the whole conglomerate of sites that now exists was called the Roissysphere for a long time.

PUA, MGTOW, MRAs it was all in there from the beginning.

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
There is no double standard.

A somewhat attractive young woman can slut it up at will, very few men can.[/quote]

Really?
What’s the word for a woman who’s had many sexual partners? - A slut.
What’s the word for a woman who’s had many sexual partners? - A stud.

I’ve never seen a man getting shamed because he fucks around; quite the contrary. Women, on the other hand…

I don’t believe in your simplistic ‘men are like this, women are like that’ attitude. People differ.

[quote]What are the problems, let me count the ways…

Lack of impulse control.

Bad.

Used to bend over and spread em with anonymous men she met at the same evening.

Very bad.

No experience with relationships.

Also bad.

Sees men as disposable and interchangeable.

Very bad. [/quote]

  1. If you meet someone and have sex several hours later, impulse control is not involved. Sorry to burst your bubble. (I wasn’t talking about a woman who will suck any dick she can reach; see, grey areas. That thing you don’t seem to comprehend so well)

  2. Would you say the same thing about the men who do the same?

  3. Who’s saying she had no relationships?

  4. Again, who’s saying…? I know quite a few women (and most of them are NOT people I’ve slept with) who’ve had both.

Repeat 2: why is this bad when women do it but apparently you don’t see the problem when men behave like this? Because it does not conform with the so-called hard-wired behavioral patterns you believe in?

… Like arguing about science with a creationist. I don’t doubt that there are selfish, slutty, etc women out there; but you seem to insist that a large chunk of them is like this. Whatever makes you happy.[/quote]

To your man point.

It is no problem for a somewhat attractive woman to sell her vag.

None.

To sell a dick can be quite a bit of work.

You dont get respect for accomplishing something that is as hard as smashing an egg.

Now, boning several women a month, that is hard.

That takes skill.

Which is why, gender A get no respect at all if they do it, gender B does.

It is not a double standard if it is applied to two different things.

The make equivalent of a slut is a beta orbiter, cuddle bitch and emotional tampon and they dont get not much respect either, because whereas the slut gives away sex without committment the beta orbiter gives away committment without sex.

Both signal that they do not value themselves what they have to offer, so nobody else does either.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

Was this woman, by chance, a teenaged witch?[/quote]

She might as well have been. The first time I met her she was nineteen. It was at a friend’s house. I had just stepped out of the shower and thrown on a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. There she was in a filmy white dress and (I swear to God) a velvet cloak. Had Arwen Undomiel herself appeared before me I could not have been more enthralled.

“Hello, Muscle Man,” she said.
“Hello, Dancing Girl,” I said.

We danced and flirted, but it was to be a year (to the day) of our first meeting before we slept together for the first time. In that intervening year, we kept up an active online conversation. I doubt I would have been as taken with her without that email exchange. A pretty face and shapely body fade from one’s memory after awhile. This woman had a gorgeous mind. That’s what makes her unforgettable.

So no, not a witch, but I was enchanted all the same.

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[quote]theBeth wrote:

I find this vindicating, since you seem to be pretty close to my “type”.[/quote]

I find this more than a little enigmatic.

Which part of my story did you find vindicating?

I guess you’ll have to describe your “type”. Then we can determine how close I actually am to it.

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