Girls with Guns... and Sometimes Spears

system · January 23, 2013, 7:07pm

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
A little off topic, but I recently read a very good letter to the editor, prompted by the recent elementary school shooting in Connecticut. This is the main idea. We seem to like the idea of gun-free zones at places like airports. This is key - Those gun-free zones are enforced through metal detectors and armed security guards. We want to declare schools as gun free zones, but they are usually protected by what? An imaginary bubble. Aside from some inner city high schools, there are usually no metal detectors, search procedures, or armed security. Nothing. It’s just a zone where the crazy people of the world can be assured that the people inside the imaginary bubble are unarmed. This doesn’t make any logical sense to me. We will always have some crazy people who are capable of violent behavior. How does the imaginary bubble make us feel better about that?
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You are correct, of course.

Deadly school shooting have shot up 500% since the “gun free school zone” law went into effect.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/bill-introduced-repeal-gun-free-school-zones-act-because-deadly-mass-shootings

It was a noble idea, but it failed.

Alpha_F · January 23, 2013, 7:12pm

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

Here’s some history from my family. This was back in the 1940’s in rural New Mexico. My grandpa was out in the fields with my father, and his two older brothers. My grandmother was home alone with her two youngest children when a man came up to the farmhouse and started climbing through her living room window. She told him to get out. When he proceeded to come into the house, she shot him with a 38 caliber pistol. He died in her living room. It wasn’t a story she ever repeated, but my dad and his brothers have told it to us. My grandmother was a tiny woman, more known for playing the piano down at the baptist church, and having a beautiful flower garden than her gun skills. It was considered a simple case of self defense back then.

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Great story.

You come from a strong line.
It must give you some inner strength just to know she did it.

Remember her when you lift.

anon71262119 · January 23, 2013, 8:13pm

Jackie - Another thought on this. Of course, most violent crime is perpetrated by men, so you have to assume this is statistically the most likely scenario. Yep, the only good option would be to RUN! Of the men on this site, ALL are likely a lot stronger, but I’m pretty sure I could at least outrun some of the power lifters.

About your training and coming back from the baby, it does take some time. My only advice is be careful with your abs until you know your abdominus rectus is healed back.

3rdRuffian - Mexico is maybe the best example of how well the invisible bubble principle works. Citizens aren’t allowed to own guns. Look how well that is working out. Drug cartels and criminals have no respect for the unenforceable gun-free invisible bubble.

What part of NM are you from? I think you mentioned that you are American Native? My hometown has Acomas and Lagunas on one side, and the Navajo Nation on the other. If you’re from Norther New Mexico, you’ll know exactly where that is. I miss the food and the people so much!

AlphaF - Thank you. And as I mentioned, it wasn’t a story she was proud of, but I’m grateful she wasn’t harmed. I think about my grandma every time I DON’T have to train my calves. I am built a lot like her.

kpsnap · January 23, 2013, 8:51pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Had a Canadian T-Nation couple here the last two summers and they were enthralled at being able to step out my back door and target shoot right behind my house in the woods [/quote]
We are lucky enough to be able to do this as well.

system · January 23, 2013, 9:57pm

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

3rdRuffian - What part of NM are you from? I think you mentioned that you are American Native? My hometown has Acomas and Lagunas on one side, and the Navajo Nation on the other. If you’re from Norther New Mexico, you’ll know exactly where that is. I miss the food and the people so much!
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Farther south. I grew up on the Mescalero Apache reservation, went to HS in Ruidoso and live their now. Moutains, lakes, snow, and trees.

Being oilfield trash, I work the Permian circuit, so Roswell to Jal to Odessa/Midland (TX) to Abeliene, to Ft. Stockton. Put about 1000 hours on my plane a year.

csulli · January 23, 2013, 10:02pm

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
…You have brought up the exact reason why women should be pro-2nd amendment – it evens the playing field in an arena that we wouldn’t have a chance in otherwise.[/quote]

That’s why I hate guns. I worked really hard unleveling that playing field. But some snot-nosed 90lb boy could always come up and shoot me in the face. Not fair.

anon71262119 · January 23, 2013, 10:54pm

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

3rdRuffian - What part of NM are you from? I think you mentioned that you are American Native? My hometown has Acomas and Lagunas on one side, and the Navajo Nation on the other. If you’re from Norther New Mexico, you’ll know exactly where that is. I miss the food and the people so much!
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Farther south. I grew up on the Mescalero Apache reservation, went to HS in Ruidoso and live their now. Moutains, lakes, snow, and trees.

Being oilfield trash, I work the Permian circuit, so Roswell to Jal to Odessa/Midland (TX) to Abeliene, to Ft. Stockton. Put about 1000 hours on my plane a year.[/quote]

Gotcha. I have been all around that area through both Roswell and Alamogordo, but never through Ruidoso. I hear it’s beautiful - Where Texas goes to ski. And the Mescalero’s own the Inn of the Mountain Gods. Nice. I’ve lived in California for over 20 years now, but I still miss NM. We try to spend some time in Northern New Mexico and Southern Colorado every summer. There’s no place like home.

johnnytang24 · January 24, 2013, 1:09am

I was thinking about home defence shotguns after reading this thread and came to the same conclusion as Massad Ayoob: 20 gauge Semi-auto.

I do have an 870 but don’t shoot it much so every time I try to go fast, I short stroke it. I imagine the kick would suck for petite women.

Jackie_Jacked · January 24, 2013, 4:45pm

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Do you think you will partake in the cleaning or let your husband be happy doing it? My husband is like that with guns and cars.
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I will do the cleaning by myself. Absolutely.
I just don’t have the joy of cleaning it as much as I have the joy of using it.

I am like that with my sports equipment also.
I am the type of person that thinks scratches are character marks of warrior hood on my equipment: proof that I have pushed the boundaries.

Let me know if you want a list of the cleaning stuff he uses.
Myself, I told him I want to learn to dissemble and clean the gun only after I have had a chance to use it.

Got to have my joy first,

And as I mentioned : I had no clue where you where from and I was right, I would have never guessed!

I know when I don’t know.

Welcome! Lot’s of Canadians tourists come to the area I live; very friendly people.

( Not being American means I have no inherited judgments on Canadians but as trivia: Brazilians pre judge the Portuguese as the English do Americans. I put it down to “brotherly love” )

EDITED for clarity.
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Using it sounds like more fun; agreed 100%.

As far as sports equipment goes, I can relate also. My power rack, bench, dip station, etc in my garage - my house has to be spotless but if those things are too clean it bothers me. Like they are not being used enough.

Sure! Please do share your husbands cleaning ritual.

Thank you and I am thrilled to be here. Not all Canadians are nice but I would hope I’d be one them. Not to get too political in this forum but the government is WAY too involved in everything in Canada. The citizens are treated like babies that shouldn’t be trusted to make their own decisions - including firearms and self-defense. I am very proud and feel very empowered to be able to just purchase a firearm (after all of the red tape, of course) just because I want one.

I had no idea about Brazil and Portugal. Now I feel compelled to find out why. Why does my brain not have an off switch? lol

Jackie_Jacked · January 24, 2013, 4:51pm

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

Thank you for posting these videos. This one was particularly helpful. It looks very easy to use.

Jackie_Jacked · January 24, 2013, 4:57pm

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
In everyone’s opinion, would the Flashbang be the most ideal holster for a woman? The video posted by thethirdruffian looked relatively smooth. I would think with some practice one would be able to pull that off without too much of an issue.[/quote]

Note, I like that holster and know of one female who likes it.

But the right holster depends on your clothes, the weapon, what you are doing.

If you carry, you’ll end up with multiple pistols and even more holsters, just because the your needs will change.[/quote]

After thinking about where my arms would most be comfortable, most naturally traveling, I think I’d like that one too.

I can see how your clothing would make all the difference as would having multiple pistols.

Jackie_Jacked · January 24, 2013, 4:59pm

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I have wondered why more women aren’t pro 2nd amendment. [/quote]

Me, too.

Sam Colt’s Pistol was called “the Great Equalizer” and most of the early women’s suffragists credited the pistol (reasonably cheap, easy to use, effective) as one of the great, practical, reasons why women became equal in the United States.

I also note that some models of the Great Equalizer came with 8 shots, much to the chagrin of the idiots who governs New York state and city.[/quote]

Interesting history. I didn’t know that.

Here’s some history from my family. This was back in the 1940’s in rural New Mexico. My grandpa was out in the fields with my father, and his two older brothers. My grandmother was home alone with her two youngest children when a man came up to the farmhouse and started climbing through her living room window. She told him to get out. When he proceeded to come into the house, she shot him with a 38 caliber pistol. He died in her living room. It wasn’t a story she ever repeated, but my dad and his brothers have told it to us. My grandmother was a tiny woman, more known for playing the piano down at the baptist church, and having a beautiful flower garden than her gun skills. It was considered a simple case of self defense back then.

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Awesome story. Thanks for sharing that. I’m glad she was able to defend her herself. Who knows what could have happened otherwise?

Jackie_Jacked · January 24, 2013, 5:08pm

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Jackie - Another thought on this. Of course, most violent crime is perpetrated by men, so you have to assume this is statistically the most likely scenario. Yep, the only good option would be to RUN! Of the men on this site, ALL are likely a lot stronger, but I’m pretty sure I could at least outrun some of the power lifters.

About your training and coming back from the baby, it does take some time. My only advice is be careful with your abs until you know your abdominus rectus is healed back.

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I would absolutely run. After I shot him. lol Okay, it’s not really that funny but I would definitely at least injure him and then, yes, get the heck out of there. This is partially because I have arthritis my hips and knees so I’m not so sure I’d rely on them to get me out of hot water, even though my lower body is very strong. And I’m sure with those powerful legs you could outrun about anyone if you chose to.

Thank you for the vote of confidence, Powerpuff. I sure hope so and I’m working very hard at it right now. You are certainly an inspiration though.

Jackie_Jacked · January 24, 2013, 5:09pm

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
…You have brought up the exact reason why women should be pro-2nd amendment – it evens the playing field in an arena that we wouldn’t have a chance in otherwise.[/quote]

That’s why I hate guns. I worked really hard unleveling that playing field. But some snot-nosed 90lb boy could always come up and shoot me in the face. Not fair.[/quote]

lol Crazy.

Jackie_Jacked · January 24, 2013, 5:12pm

[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
I was thinking about home defence shotguns after reading this thread and came to the same conclusion as Massad Ayoob: 20 gauge Semi-auto.

I do have an 870 but don’t shoot it much so every time I try to go fast, I short stroke it. I imagine the kick would suck for petite women. [/quote]

I was thinking it may have a bit of a kick to it also. Sure would do the trick though.

anon71262119 · January 24, 2013, 6:20pm

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I have wondered why more women aren’t pro 2nd amendment. [/quote]

Me, too.

Sam Colt’s Pistol was called “the Great Equalizer” and most of the early women’s suffragists credited the pistol (reasonably cheap, easy to use, effective) as one of the great, practical, reasons why women became equal in the United States.

I also note that some models of the Great Equalizer came with 8 shots, much to the chagrin of the idiots who governs New York state and city.[/quote]

Interesting history. I didn’t know that.

Here’s some history from my family. This was back in the 1940’s in rural New Mexico. My grandpa was out in the fields with my father, and his two older brothers. My grandmother was home alone with her two youngest children when a man came up to the farmhouse and started climbing through her living room window. She told him to get out. When he proceeded to come into the house, she shot him with a 38 caliber pistol. He died in her living room. It wasn’t a story she ever repeated, but my dad and his brothers have told it to us. My grandmother was a tiny woman, more known for playing the piano down at the baptist church, and having a beautiful flower garden than her gun skills. It was considered a simple case of self defense back then.

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Awesome story. Thanks for sharing that. I’m glad she was able to defend her herself. Who knows what could have happened otherwise?[/quote]

True. If she were alone, she might have decided to run, but with a toddler and baby in the house, her options just got a lot more limited. And we have to remember that people are making these decisions very quickly. Once that man got close enough to grab touch her, it’s over. In this tragic situation, he was unarmed and later they realized he had been drinking. Of course, she had no way to know that, and who knows what his intentions were. Even if this person is unarmed, our kitchens are all full of tools that could quickly be turned into a weapon, and he was for sure much larger and stronger than my 5’1" grandmother.

As an aside, my grandparents lived next door to us when they were elderly. She was afraid to be alone, and so if my grandpa was gone and no one was home at my parent’s ranch house, she’d go “visiting” or run errands. I never knew why, until I was a young adult and heard this family story.

I envy you with your garage gym. If we had more room… And thanks about my progress. I’ve had so much fun. My kids are all in school now, so I have more time for my fitness hobbies.

Jackie, do you mostly lift for strength goals, or are you more of a physique lifter? I’m a little bit of both. The strength goals are fun, but I’m not doing any heavy singles these days.

anon71262119 · January 24, 2013, 6:27pm

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
…You have brought up the exact reason why women should be pro-2nd amendment – it evens the playing field in an arena that we wouldn’t have a chance in otherwise.[/quote]

That’s why I hate guns. I worked really hard unleveling that playing field. But some snot-nosed 90lb boy could always come up and shoot me in the face. Not fair.[/quote]

Point well made, and with humor too. Life isn’t fair, but I’d like to acknowledge your feelings of vulnerability. Hugs.

Alpha_F · January 24, 2013, 6:54pm

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

Sure! Please do share your husbands cleaning ritual. [/quote] We are aiming to go to the range by this weekend. After which I will be learning to dismantle and clean the gun.
Will go through the products then - watch this space.

I did not know why either so I actually just went to google Brazil to find out.

The Portuguese are the butt of a lot of jokes and they are mostly known for being stupid.
I never questioned this but apparently the origin is:

During the colonial era the Portuguese that emigrated to the Colony ( Brazil ) began criticizing the Portuguese that remained living in Portugal over the high taxes they were paying and the relentless demands from the Portuguese Crown. Therefore the Portuguese living in Brazil began using many insults to refer to the Portuguese living in Portugal; the main insult being “stupid” that begun to refer exclusively to the Portuguese that remained under the rule of the Crown in Portugal.

Time passed and Brazil developed its own identity, the Portuguese living in Brazil became “Brazilians”, Brazil became completely independent from Portugal and many continued to refer to the Portuguese insultingly as “stupid” and this tradition took hold.

As a child I always thought they were intrinsically stupid, when really ( newsflash ) they are not.

Thank you for asking that question, being born there and accepting the status quo I would have never found out.

Somehow I wish the Americans that moved over here had developed the same attitude for the English, when it is in fact the English that maintain that Americans are stupid.

Perhaps America would not be threatened to lose its freedoms now to “progressive” English thinking if they had developed the same attitude of the first Brazilian Portuguese and blocked the Colony and its ways out.

Interesting fact about Brazil as a country is, in spite of being big and having had many many immigrants from many parts of the world, the whole country speaks only one language.

No accommodations made. Not even for the stubborn Spanish/Hispanic speaking nations who I absolutely detest the attitude of immigrating and not only not making the effort to learn the language but expecting the host country to learn their ways.

How about: No.

No ablo Ingles? Swim back to Mexico.

( The Spanish are like this in England as well, even when coming to “learn English” )

?!

Jackie_Jacked · January 29, 2013, 12:42am

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I have wondered why more women aren’t pro 2nd amendment. [/quote]

Me, too.

Sam Colt’s Pistol was called “the Great Equalizer” and most of the early women’s suffragists credited the pistol (reasonably cheap, easy to use, effective) as one of the great, practical, reasons why women became equal in the United States.

I also note that some models of the Great Equalizer came with 8 shots, much to the chagrin of the idiots who governs New York state and city.[/quote]

Interesting history. I didn’t know that.

Here’s some history from my family. This was back in the 1940’s in rural New Mexico. My grandpa was out in the fields with my father, and his two older brothers. My grandmother was home alone with her two youngest children when a man came up to the farmhouse and started climbing through her living room window. She told him to get out. When he proceeded to come into the house, she shot him with a 38 caliber pistol. He died in her living room. It wasn’t a story she ever repeated, but my dad and his brothers have told it to us. My grandmother was a tiny woman, more known for playing the piano down at the baptist church, and having a beautiful flower garden than her gun skills. It was considered a simple case of self defense back then.

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Awesome story. Thanks for sharing that. I’m glad she was able to defend her herself. Who knows what could have happened otherwise?[/quote]

True. If she were alone, she might have decided to run, but with a toddler and baby in the house, her options just got a lot more limited. And we have to remember that people are making these decisions very quickly. Once that man got close enough to grab touch her, it’s over. In this tragic situation, he was unarmed and later they realized he had been drinking. Of course, she had no way to know that, and who knows what his intentions were. Even if this person is unarmed, our kitchens are all full of tools that could quickly be turned into a weapon, and he was for sure much larger and stronger than my 5’1" grandmother.

As an aside, my grandparents lived next door to us when they were elderly. She was afraid to be alone, and so if my grandpa was gone and no one was home at my parent’s ranch house, she’d go “visiting” or run errands. I never knew why, until I was a young adult and heard this family story.

I envy you with your garage gym. If we had more room… And thanks about my progress. I’ve had so much fun. My kids are all in school now, so I have more time for my fitness hobbies.

Jackie, do you mostly lift for strength goals, or are you more of a physique lifter? I’m a little bit of both. The strength goals are fun, but I’m not doing any heavy singles these days.
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Did your grandfather ever tell you what he thought of her actions that day? I’ll bet he thought she was a heroine of sorts. There was no way she could have known any of that. She was a tiny woman and did what she thought she had to. No doubt that it was traumatizing to her.

You might not be so envious of the garage gym if you knew how cold my barbells and dumbbells were now. lol It certainly is a test of dedication.

My goals now have changed since my joints cannot take anymore heavy singles. I’ll have to have some element of strength in there or I will be bored but I’d definitely like to get back to my pre-pregnancy look. I think that tomorrow I may start a log in log in the Powerful Women section or Over 35. It would be great if you stopped by.

Jackie_Jacked · January 29, 2013, 12:50am