Well said Nate-Dogg!!!
Patricia–I too am at ease with my body and my man doesn’t read these mags either. The point I was making is that the women whose mates do read these mags a lot generally don’t like it because of external (or internal) pressures that media and society in general places on them. My guy is very happy with me too, but if he suddenly began reading Playboy on a regular basis, I think it would bug me. And, possibly if Ko did the same, you might begin to wonder too.
Yes, we are real women, and not fabricated individuals, but if the guys drool a lot over fabricated individuals, one can’t help but wonder… That’s the only point I was trying to make. You have to admit that MOST women are not as secure with their appearances as they should be.
Not to butt in, but why stop now? Axy, I think Patricia has an execllent sense of self and is secure in her accomplishments. She has worked hard and is justifiable proud of her achievements. She is also happy and secure in her relationship with KO and uses her good experience as a model to others. You evidently have a problem with that. I have NEVER thought Patricia was being ‘high and mighty’ she’s just striaght up and honest. This is almost laughable, considering you bitch at Patricia and cater to a certian whiney, needy female on this forum. Patricia is not begging for attention, not tooting her own horn to have the guys drool over her, and not asking anyone to jump to her defense as a knight in shining armor. Does this threaten you somehow? I have noticed your continual slamming of women, and there must be a root to your distrust and suspicion about the opposite sex. It sure isn’t my fault or Patricia’s fault. I liked Patricia right from the start, she seems to be a lot like me (I hope that’s not an insult!!! grin) calls things as she sees them, works hard, speaks her mind, and is not afraid to demand 100% and give back more. I’m sorry you have trouble with women in general, and specifically strong ones. Sorry… I had to speak up, this shit just pisses me off!
Kewl. I see what ya mean. I don’t hang with gals that have “issues”. I do avoid them. However, yes there are women who are insecure, as there are men who are, too. There’s a particular dude here in this thread who seems rather insecure about strong and proud, women - but hey, I won’t extrapolate on that…
But, Ko and I have this circle of friends here that we pretty much hang out with. Most of them are artists, photographers, gallery owners - some of the greatest bunch of people! Men and women. Mostly the lot of them are married, Ko and I are usually the only boyfriend/girlfriend. Anywhoos, some these people also work out in our gym and are just great, great, great. Not a insecure one in the bunch. These are the people we hang with. I wish more could be like them ...sigh. Oh and a side, don't you find it funny that Axy loved it when I bragged about my boyfriend? And called me insecure for saying something about myself?
And as for Axy - well, you don't know me. And you don't know Ko. As I don't know you. And yes, I have accomplished alot - oooh, does me saying that here, make you wince? Okay, how about if I was a guy and said that? And Ko's accomplished alot, too. As a matter of fact, we have gone through ALOT in the last year that we have not mentioned here - it's too personal. And important to us. SO, I guess you can continue on with your one cent assessments of people who post here - it really doesn't mean much - well, it means as much as penny, and well, we know much they're worth.
BTW: I don't like jewels or gold on my crown - I do prefer a crown of gleaming platinum.
do you girls look at men and think,wow,he looks good,nice ass,whatever?I’m gonna rant a bit.The only thing I get from some of these posts are"This is how a relationship is supposed to be".I know of a guy who lived for porn,but he has to hide it from his bitch.Trust me,if you knew her,you’d think the same.Why wouldn’t the “compremise” you girls speak of come from the other side?why can’t these girls that don’t like porn,just allow their men to watch it?or see it in a mag?Lets see the girl compremise THAT into their relationship!Patricia,I don’t use them as spank mags,I don’t “sprout wood” just by looking,I have much greater control than that.I just enjoy seeing beautiful women.Ask my girlfriend,I’d have her walking around naked 24/7 if I had my way.Now,yes,the mags are touched up,who cares?Do you understand the true concept of fantasy?It’s fantasy if it can’t be reach,just something you really like to dream about.These women are fantasy,supposedly perfect women,although we all know what’s done to make them “perfect”.I have no idea if this will make sense,but I’m on my way out,and am posting it anyway!
Axy cracks me up. Also, I have to agree with The Ol’ Kid here. I’ve been married three years and my wife has no problem with it. She knew I had a stash when we got married. They don’t replace her, but there are times when I’m alone and feel like blowing off some steam. They come in very handy for that. What I’m having a hard time understanding is why these women feel a need to change their men. You know he likes it or he wouldn’t have had it before you made him get rid of it. Either accept who he is or move on. Don’t castrate him.
Ol’ Kid - Using your example, “I know of a guy who lived for porn,but he has to hide it from his bitch.Trust me,if you knew her,you’d think the same.” If she is that controlling why is he with her? What on earth makes him ‘live for porn’? Of course there is compromise, but that takes communication. And hiding your ‘reading’ habits from your partner is NOT communication. Perhaps examine why she has a big problem with it. If it makes her feel insecure, then there is a problem - maybe with her, maybe with him, maybe with the relationship - whatever the root of the problem is, it is still there. So, what is more important to your friend? The porn, the bitch or the relationship??? You guys can get all defensive and call women controlling, but perhaps if you took the time to thing about your partners feelings you’d understand. And yes, there are plenty of women who don’t care about porn. Go find one of them if you MUST watch or look at it.
These women are about as real as an Anime chick. I would find it very odd if anyone told me they were looking at naked cartoons every day... or that they needed to look at them. I would not find that to be 'normal' and I would be concerned.
I find it disturbing for the most part. The man I am with respects my feelings. I don't own him, and he is free to do as he wishes... most of the time he tries to make me happy (just as I try to do for him) and occasionally he indulges. Not a big problem for me. Would I be upset if he was looking at it daily? Yup, I have no problem admitting that, but I also understand that he can do as he wants to and does not answer to me. I am sorry if some of you are not in mature, equal relationships... I happen to be in one.
“For a quality relationship, you should be willing to give up a lot more.” How? Why? It seems to me the opposite. How does sacrafice determine quality? The only thing I gave up was other women. I would never be with a women that expected me to change for her. Then I would be someone elses idea of me and not me. Sounds to me like you gave up more than you wanted to. I have a problem with someone telling people what determines a quality relationship. What works for you is not necessarily going to work for someone else.
Wooooo,take the panty’s out of a bunch,and chill!I want you to re-read my posts,and find where I state I have to look at porn every day.Christ,I don’t HAVE to look at it,but I do enjoy it when I do see it.Honestly,I RARELY look at any skin mags!Yes,I agree ,my friend has other issues to deal with.They’re together cause she knows she can control him,and he’s with her cause he is scared of being alone.I agree,he shouldn’t hide shit from her,and I tell him that,but he knows it’s the only way he can do things he wants to(like go to the strip joint and tell her we had a bbq,ha,)Anyway,I’m in a great relationship,hide nothing.
AAHHH! Sorry Ol’ Kid, that post was not exactly directed at you… It kinda lost focus as I wrote it. I just used a quote from your post and continued on from there, my bad. (And my panties are not in a knot… snicker I’m wearing a thong)
I never said you had a problem with porn, read my last post, it said “back to the orginal question”. Patircia and I have done alot in our lives, and were proud of it. We also have a great relationship, If sharing what we have done on this forum is bragging then so be it. By the way, I cannot think of one thing that I have had to give up for Patricia, whoops, there i go bragging again.
Hey, M: I just read your post - and thanks for the words! You and GM are chicks that someday I hope we all can sit around and destroy some beers together. Fer sure.
I’m as guilty as you,I was joking about the panties,as you figured out.I also have to agree with Shitdisturber on a very good point.Why do you have to change?I think it’s a true statement,although I do agree,anything worth keeping is worth compremise.But anyway,stop trying to blind me with arousal by telling me you’re wearing a thong!Haha
Patricia:
I am glad to see that you received my words more or less in a calm manner. I would like
to keep things like that in the future too. Of course, we don’t know each other and I
can judge only from what I see on the forum, and I already said about that what I had to
say - you simply mention your own achievements and your boyfriend a little bit too much.
That is all, nothing more, nothing less. Anyway, if you want to know, I respect you for everything you did in the bodybuilding world - I saw your picture a couple of T-Mag
issues ago and I can’t do anything but commend you for the level of physical condition
at the contest. Anyway, at the very end of this post, I would just like to let you know
- and you will have to take my word for it, because I will not get into too much details,
mostly because of lack of time and not because it is too personal - that I have been
through a lot of shit in my 27 years and since my life has been a constant battle with
many things, I had to build a world of my own, a moral integrity of my own, a set of my
own values, and I did not take any of that from other people or from what the overall society preaches to be correct at the given time. I could take easier way out of things, but I would consider backing out to be my personal defeat. This is just to try to explain to you that I have problem with everything else but strong men - or women.
As for the crown issue, why would you need external representation or symbol of what
you accomplished in your life, especially something so shallow as a crown? I know you
were talking in symbols here…
Ko:
Ko, sorry if I did not understand your last post correctly. And yes, if every single
post is glorifying somebody’s achievements, in my vocabulary there is just one word for that - bragging and I tend to associate that kind of behaviour with latent insecurity. However, I admit that since English is my third language, it is possible that my vocabulary is inadequate.
Doogie:
Low self esteem. Nothing else. Almost all women on this forum admitted they have
issues with low self esteem eventhough they in fact look great. Looks are MUCH MORE important for women than for men, that is how it has always been. I simply cannot
imagine being all fucked up because some male magazine model looks better than me.
Most girls, including the prettiest ones are totally insecure in their appearance.
Do you know any girls with bulimic disorder or who are anorexic? Great girls who think
they are fat and die because of what they do to themselves to control weight? Please,
look up the statistics and see how many bulimic and anorexic guys there are. Not many.
This is just one example… I have to say once again that I really cannot see looking
at softcore porn as a problem, let alone something to argue about. This is most likely
female-specific issue.
I think she’s angry because she’s got a low self image of herself. I’ve never understood why some girls get angry or jealous of girls in pics or movies, or even strippers. In my experience, I’ve found that in my relationship with my husband, we enjoy these things together. I’m very secure with the fact that he looks at porn, and I enjoy watching it with him. Why would he go out for SPAM when he’s got a nice steak at home? Just a thought.
Glitter, your husband is not the only man who loves you - you have a secret admirer in me too. Really - kudos to you. Women like you are hard to find. Just don’t tell me that you like riding on a sports motorcycle too… :-)))
Yes it would be a blast to share some beers sometime! By the way, I really respect the responses you both give on this forum. Not only are they intellectually and spiritually sound, but they usually lack grammar and spelling mistakes too! Bravo!
Particia and GM - sounds good to me! um… I’m in New York, Patricia is in Oregon, where are you? Hey! I have an idea! Let’s meet in New Orleans laugh (Hey, it’s a great city and a good excuse to go there!)
I’m in the east side of Canada, so not that far from New York, although I’ve never been there. I have been to New Orleans, though, and would love to go there again sometime! What a great city and the food!!! Ate like pigs when we were there many moons ago. I’ve been to Oregon too. Great state! Sooooo pretty and you guys are so lucky that you have no sales tax. Wow! Living in Canada sucks for the sales taxes that we pay. It’s absolutely criminal!
Our dollar being what it is these days, I don’t see myself travelling too soon in the near future, but the thought is sooooo tempting. 
Actually, he must have spam at home, because he has to use magazines and strippers to see steak. Captain Crunch.
Can I ask what part of eastern Canada you live in?