Getting to a 405lb deadlift is easy. My friends in grad school were able to reach 450 after training for only a little over a semester. One of them is about 5’11" 185lbs and the other is about 5’6" 165lbs chubby. If you have the time, not a lot of stress, and be consistent on a solid program, there’s no reason why you couldn’t do 405 in less than a year. They are by no means genetic freaks and to be honest, it’s tough to tell that they are that strong from looking at their physique. The only reason they were following through was because we have another friend who competed in amateur bodybuilding who is a very inspiring and looks beastly; he’s turning towards powerlifting and has totaled elite in the gym.
[quote]thefreshmanverve wrote:
Nobody wants to deadlift because it’s “hard” it hurts it’s uncomfortable they don’t like the feeling of their soul leaving their body and returning 10 secs after they put the weight down.[/quote]
This is awesome.
Getting to a 405 deadlift for some people is very difficult because of their body mechanics. Someone with short arms is going to struggle a lot more than someone with long arms. I’m very close to pulling 405 with normal length arms. If my arms were a few inches longer i could have pulled 405 with ease back when i was only doing 315. Those few inches are HUGE.
[quote]TD54 wrote:
Getting to a 405 deadlift for some people is very difficult because of their body mechanics. Someone with short arms is going to struggle a lot more than someone with long arms. I’m very close to pulling 405 with normal length arms. If my arms were a few inches longer i could have pulled 405 with ease back when i was only doing 315. Those few inches are HUGE. [/quote]
This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
Then you have guys like hulksomethingorother who trains for 14 months and pulls 800 at 220. FML
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
…This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
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Seriously?
I’d compare a 405 dead with a 225 - 250 bench in terms of accomplishment or degree of difficulty.
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That is more common, but you get plenty of people (generally those built well for benching) who have more of a 4 to 5 ratio (or even worse), esp with conv. stance.
Benching 225-250… Back then I was pulling maybe the same or just slightly more, and it was more of an effort because I had to get down so damn low to initiate the pull… Add trying to keep my lower back from rounding/pelvis from tilting the wrong way…
I am physically incapable of pulling from a deficit with a straight or arched lower back. Even with a hybrid stance (which works the best for me) and rounded thoracic spine.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
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← Jelly.
i went straight from 330 to 440 so i have no idea what that barrier is like haha.
I think we forget that we are less than 1% of the lifting community, so while 405 may not seem impressive for us we will rarely see other people at our gym do it unless you at a hardcore place or are lucky
[quote]kakno wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
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← Jelly.[/quote]
Don’t be… Being built well for benching only has the least positive effect on your total, usually.
Plus even if you aren’t made for benching… Delt, back, tricep and bi strength can be brought up a ton and with enough mass, you can, to a degree at least (plus arch and crazy grip width if legal, if that’s your thing) make up some for the bad leverages.
On the other hand, no matter how big you get, it won’t really help your DL levers (if anything it may hinder them past a certain point). Stance is all you can change there and if the bottom position is a big issue for you, then most lifts that improve your strength there will most likely bother your back or whatever.
So yeah. If PL is your passion, consider yourself lucky to be a natural deadlifter and/or squatter.
Also kakno, love the AT-AT in the background hahaha
Just noticed it now.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
Getting to a 405 deadlift for some people is very difficult because of their body mechanics. Someone with short arms is going to struggle a lot more than someone with long arms. I’m very close to pulling 405 with normal length arms. If my arms were a few inches longer i could have pulled 405 with ease back when i was only doing 315. Those few inches are HUGE. [/quote]
This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
Then you have guys like hulksomethingorother who trains for 14 months and pulls 800 at 220. FML
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For me the bottom of the deadlift feels like i am yanking the bar up. If i elevate the bar a few more inches, it feels like i am driving the bar up, like a rack pull. Hard to explain what the difference is but my body mechanics are WAY different throughout the lift. Also, when i start in that “yanking” type motion, i find that even after i pull a few inches, i can’t transition into driving the bar like a rack pull, so im kind of stuck with bad mechanics until i get past the knee
This thread was originally created as a joke right? The very first time I ever deadlifted I pulled 415 totally raw at 14 years old in a 24 hour fitness. No hitch, just grip it and rip it. I hardly even knew what a deadlift was I just saw it online and went to the gym and tried it for the hell of it. 405 is nothing to be proud of if you have a functioning set of testicles.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
This thread reminds me of one I started years ago: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_strength/deadlift_pr_2?id=1513196&pageNo=0
(I have no idea why it is now a locked thread. Can a mod answer the question?)
FWIW, I nailed a 565 a couple of months ago and it is where I now stand. Poundage increases are very slow now. My sets and reps PR’s are still creeping up but the 1RM moves very slowly…at least for a 50 year old guy.[/quote]
That is awesome that you have made that much progress. What did you start at?
[quote]Mexecutioner wrote:
This thread was originally created as a joke right? The very first time I ever deadlifted I pulled 415 totally raw at 14 years old in a 24 hour fitness. No hitch, just grip it and rip it. I hardly even knew what a deadlift was I just saw it online and went to the gym and tried it for the hell of it. 405 is nothing to be proud of if you have a functioning set of testicles.[/quote]
Wow, you’re a badass
But seriously… You have no idea what you are talking about. Read the last page. Body mechanics play a HUGE role in how much you are able to deadlift. Yours are probably excellent for the deadlift
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]Mexecutioner wrote:
This thread was originally created as a joke right? The very first time I ever deadlifted I pulled 415 totally raw at 14 years old in a 24 hour fitness. No hitch, just grip it and rip it. I hardly even knew what a deadlift was I just saw it online and went to the gym and tried it for the hell of it. 405 is nothing to be proud of if you have a functioning set of testicles.[/quote]
Wow, you’re a badass
But seriously… You have no idea what you are talking about. Read the last page. Body mechanics play a HUGE role in how much you are able to deadlift. Yours are probably excellent for the deadlift[/quote]
Maybe you’re right…or maybe deadlifting 405 is as difficult as tying your shoes or being able to wipe your own ass.
[quote]Mexecutioner wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]Mexecutioner wrote:
This thread was originally created as a joke right? The very first time I ever deadlifted I pulled 415 totally raw at 14 years old in a 24 hour fitness. No hitch, just grip it and rip it. I hardly even knew what a deadlift was I just saw it online and went to the gym and tried it for the hell of it. 405 is nothing to be proud of if you have a functioning set of testicles.[/quote]
Wow, you’re a badass
But seriously… You have no idea what you are talking about. Read the last page. Body mechanics play a HUGE role in how much you are able to deadlift. Yours are probably excellent for the deadlift[/quote]
Maybe you’re right…or maybe deadlifting 405 is as difficult as tying your shoes or being able to wipe your own ass. [/quote]
So if a scrawny dude starts deadlifting and initially is only able to do 200, a 405lb deadlift isn’t something to be proud about?
[quote]Mexecutioner wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]Mexecutioner wrote:
This thread was originally created as a joke right? The very first time I ever deadlifted I pulled 415 totally raw at 14 years old in a 24 hour fitness. No hitch, just grip it and rip it. I hardly even knew what a deadlift was I just saw it online and went to the gym and tried it for the hell of it. 405 is nothing to be proud of if you have a functioning set of testicles.[/quote]
Wow, you’re a badass
But seriously… You have no idea what you are talking about. Read the last page. Body mechanics play a HUGE role in how much you are able to deadlift. Yours are probably excellent for the deadlift[/quote]
Maybe you’re right…or maybe deadlifting 405 is as difficult as tying your shoes or being able to wipe your own ass. [/quote]
It’s not THAT easy. Just because it was a joke for you doesn’t mean the rest of us are so fortunate
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
This thread reminds me of one I started years ago: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_strength/deadlift_pr_2?id=1513196&pageNo=0
(I have no idea why it is now a locked thread. Can a mod answer the question?)
FWIW, I nailed a 565 a couple of months ago and it is where I now stand. Poundage increases are very slow now. My sets and reps PR’s are still creeping up but the 1RM moves very slowly…at least for a 50 year old guy.[/quote]
That is awesome that you have made that much progress. What did you start at?[/quote]
I’d have to check my training log from back then but my best guess would be ~315.[/quote]
That’s awesome. Great motivation for me because that’s where i started at. I’m very near 405 now. 600 would be unreal for me. Someday…