[quote]Mexecutioner wrote:
This thread was originally created as a joke right? The very first time I ever deadlifted I pulled 415 totally raw at 14 years old in a 24 hour fitness. No hitch, just grip it and rip it. I hardly even knew what a deadlift was I just saw it online and went to the gym and tried it for the hell of it. 405 is nothing to be proud of if you have a functioning set of testicles.[/quote]
Wow, you’re a badass
But seriously… You have no idea what you are talking about. Read the last page. Body mechanics play a HUGE role in how much you are able to deadlift. Yours are probably excellent for the deadlift[/quote]
Maybe you’re right…or maybe deadlifting 405 is as difficult as tying your shoes or being able to wipe your own ass. [/quote]
So if a scrawny dude starts deadlifting and initially is only able to do 200, a 405lb deadlift isn’t something to be proud about?[/quote]
[quote]Edevus wrote:
So Mexecutioner, how much can you deadlift now? If you started at 415, five years later you must be at…how much?[/quote]
415.3[/quote]
I’m serious with my question. If you have the genes to start with that weight, you have the genes to end very far, so I’m curious about your progress.[/quote]
Was very inconsistent with deadlifting until I was 17. Then in 10-11 months of consistent deadlift training I brought my deadlift up to 565. Haven’t deadlifted for a few months so I’m not sure where I’m at but it’s in the 5’s. No I’m not all that proud of it. When I think of my deadlift I watch Chris Hickson deadlift to put things in persppective. When I think of my squat I watch Mendes smash 800 totally raw. Seems to do the trick to keep up motivation and get my ass in the gym to train instead of spending more time thinking about training than actually doing it.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
That’s interesting then. Starting so high and then the progress is so slow. But if it’s about motivation, then I wish you good luck finding it.[/quote]
Never said I wasn’t training, just not deadlifting. If 430 to 565 in 10 months is slow progress then what is good or great progress? 200? 250? You have to agree that a 405 deadlift should be easy within a couple years of training if you believe that adding 135 in 10 months is slow progress(which I hope you do so you are forced to agree with me).
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
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Don’t be… Being built well for benching only has the least positive effect on your total, usually.
Plus even if you aren’t made for benching… Delt, back, tricep and bi strength can be brought up a ton and with enough mass, you can, to a degree at least (plus arch and crazy grip width if legal, if that’s your thing) make up some for the bad leverages.
On the other hand, no matter how big you get, it won’t really help your DL levers (if anything it may hinder them past a certain point). Stance is all you can change there and if the bottom position is a big issue for you, then most lifts that improve your strength there will most likely bother your back or whatever.
So yeah. If PL is your passion, consider yourself lucky to be a natural deadlifter and/or squatter.
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I guess you’re right. (No shit, lol) I’ll have to make the best of what I’ve got.
That kind post got me a bench PR today. 105 kg (lol) Exactly half of my 210 kg deadlift. And way less than my 185 kg squat. Just feels “wrong” to have that kind of ratio.
And thanks, love this avatar. Cheeky_Kea has an awesome sense of humour.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
That’s interesting then. Starting so high and then the progress is so slow. But if it’s about motivation, then I wish you good luck finding it.[/quote]
Never said I wasn’t training, just not deadlifting. If 430 to 565 in 10 months is slow progress then what is good or great progress? 200? 250? You have to agree that a 405 deadlift should be easy within a couple years of training if you believe that adding 135 in 10 months is slow progress(which I hope you do so you are forced to agree with me).[/quote]
As I understood, you went from 415 to 565 in 4 years (14 years to 17 then 10-11 months of training).
Just a confusion.
[quote]Mexecutioner wrote:
This thread was originally created as a joke right? The very first time I ever deadlifted I pulled 415 totally raw at 14 years old in a 24 hour fitness. No hitch, just grip it and rip it. I hardly even knew what a deadlift was I just saw it online and went to the gym and tried it for the hell of it. 405 is nothing to be proud of if you have a functioning set of testicles.[/quote]
Wow, you’re a badass
But seriously… You have no idea what you are talking about. Read the last page. Body mechanics play a HUGE role in how much you are able to deadlift. Yours are probably excellent for the deadlift[/quote]
Maybe you’re right…or maybe deadlifting 405 is as difficult as tying your shoes or being able to wipe your own ass. [/quote]
If wiping your ass is that easy, you obviously need more lat development. Stop deadlifting and focus on lat pulldowns/pullups.
I remember when I was a teenager of 18+ years of age and not unusually skinny. There was a time when I tried to rip 200 pounds off the floor but it would not budge. According to some charts, untrained males can only pull 180 pounds or so without training at all.
I have not been unusually weak. I was able to wrestle with other kids my age just fine (earlier) and even come off as strong to some of them. Then again, I was more flexible than other males of the same age but not exactly a rhytmic gymnast, except for my shoulder and arm flexibility which was pretty good.
There tends to be a trade-off between stability (strength) and flexiblity and mobility, which is why I have to laugh when olympic lifters are described as insanely flexible. It also seems as if high IQ or the general appearance of intellectual sophistication tends to be negatively correlated with high lifting numbers such as a 300+ raw bench.
…This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
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Seriously?
I’d compare a 405 dead with a 225 - 250 bench in terms of accomplishment or degree of difficulty.
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Agreed . I was just shy of it at 19 and 132 lbs . It’s not that hard for a grown man .
…This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
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Seriously?
I’d compare a 405 dead with a 225 - 250 bench in terms of accomplishment or degree of difficulty.
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Agreed . I was just shy of it at 19 and 132 lbs . It’s not that hard for a grown man .[/quote]
Were you also very short?
After 2 years of on and off training i have finally achieved a deadlift max of 400lb. I dont consider myself strong at all but i started with the bb and worked my way up. Wasnt easy so im proud of my achievements even if no one else is…
Im glad i didnt listen to the guys telling me that going heavy is pointless as i just think of them as weak and uninteresting lol. I might not look it but i put up more weight than most guys at my gym. Its great when you hear someone outside the gym say how much you lift when they think your not listening and the girls are like wow is he single. Guys seem to be very insecure about guys who are stronger than them tho :S
[quote]TD54 wrote:
Getting to a 405 deadlift for some people is very difficult because of their body mechanics. Someone with short arms is going to struggle a lot more than someone with long arms. I’m very close to pulling 405 with normal length arms. If my arms were a few inches longer i could have pulled 405 with ease back when i was only doing 315. Those few inches are HUGE. [/quote]
This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
Then you have guys like hulksomethingorother who trains for 14 months and pulls 800 at 220. FML
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For me the bottom of the deadlift feels like i am yanking the bar up. If i elevate the bar a few more inches, it feels like i am driving the bar up, like a rack pull. Hard to explain what the difference is but my body mechanics are WAY different throughout the lift. Also, when i start in that “yanking” type motion, i find that even after i pull a few inches, i can’t transition into driving the bar like a rack pull, so im kind of stuck with bad mechanics until i get past the knee [/quote]
To work on the bottom half of the deadlift go to a powerrack set the pins to knee level and pull the weight from the floor up to the pins. It is kind of like doing a rack press for benching to get over different sticking points.
[quote]TD54 wrote:
Getting to a 405 deadlift for some people is very difficult because of their body mechanics. Someone with short arms is going to struggle a lot more than someone with long arms. I’m very close to pulling 405 with normal length arms. If my arms were a few inches longer i could have pulled 405 with ease back when i was only doing 315. Those few inches are HUGE. [/quote]
This, plus tight fascia/calves/hams etc… Can really make it difficult for some to pull 405 regardless of stance. Not impossible at all, but for me it was probably easier to bench 405…
Then you have guys like hulksomethingorother who trains for 14 months and pulls 800 at 220. FML
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Damn. I can pull 405 quite easily, but my bench is still under 200. lol. 25in quads, 14in arms. Then again, I do squats and deadlifts every workout and only bench every other workout, plus I started deadlifts almost a year before I tried any of the other lifts.
I’ve had the same comments/questions. Online 400 isn’t supposed to be much, but at my gym I rarely see people doing it. Tried out a new gym recently (Platinum GoodLife to new large 24hr GoodLife, in downtown Toronto (Adelaide/Yonge)) and noticed that there are a lot of bigger guys working out. I expect to see a lot more weight being pulled.
I’ve been deadlifting for a about 20 months now, on and off, mostly on, and started at 45 lb (back injury) and made it to 3 plates (315 lb) yesterday. When I hit about 285 my progress slowed to a crawl and I started questioning whether the 400lb figure I keep hearing was unrealistic or whether I needed to try different things. Perhaps making the time to eat and sleep properly might help.