Getting Started for Powerlifting

[quote]Jacked Diesel wrote:
dankid wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
This is a lot of stupid bitching and I hate you all.

If you are a beginner, DO NOT start off on west side, I have been lifting for almost 8 years, and I have just recently started doing westside for a month. I have seen sick fucking gains with it, very quickly, but, I have a 7 year base of muscle for that to come from, so west side fits me just fine. I would also like to add I am a raw lifter.

Anyway, for new PL’ers, I would suggest p90x, I think the PT dankid would agree.

You are an idiot, and no I wouldn’t agree. I have quite a few years experience, but still consider myself on the low intermediate end, and my GF is pretty much a beginner. And we are both making gains every time we max out on anything. No nagging joint problems, or overtraining. You just gotta be a little smart with your training. If you are a complete idiot, then ya, westside wont work well for you.

Oh and ya, I did say 9-12 workouts a week is what i’ll be building up to. Do some more reading on “extra workouts”

Dankid, you are a fucking moron, I mean a complete moron, have fun striving to reach 300 max on bench you fucking pussy.[/quote]

thats a bit harsh

[quote]Kerley wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
dankid wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
This is a lot of stupid bitching and I hate you all.

If you are a beginner, DO NOT start off on west side, I have been lifting for almost 8 years, and I have just recently started doing westside for a month. I have seen sick fucking gains with it, very quickly, but, I have a 7 year base of muscle for that to come from, so west side fits me just fine. I would also like to add I am a raw lifter.

Anyway, for new PL’ers, I would suggest p90x, I think the PT dankid would agree.

You are an idiot, and no I wouldn’t agree. I have quite a few years experience, but still consider myself on the low intermediate end, and my GF is pretty much a beginner. And we are both making gains every time we max out on anything. No nagging joint problems, or overtraining. You just gotta be a little smart with your training. If you are a complete idiot, then ya, westside wont work well for you.

Oh and ya, I did say 9-12 workouts a week is what i’ll be building up to. Do some more reading on “extra workouts”

Dankid, you are a fucking moron, I mean a complete moron, have fun striving to reach 300 max on bench you fucking pussy.

thats a bit harsh[/quote]

Why?

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
dankid wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
This is a lot of stupid bitching and I hate you all.

If you are a beginner, DO NOT start off on west side, I have been lifting for almost 8 years, and I have just recently started doing westside for a month. I have seen sick fucking gains with it, very quickly, but, I have a 7 year base of muscle for that to come from, so west side fits me just fine. I would also like to add I am a raw lifter.

Anyway, for new PL’ers, I would suggest p90x, I think the PT dankid would agree.

You are an idiot, and no I wouldn’t agree. I have quite a few years experience, but still consider myself on the low intermediate end, and my GF is pretty much a beginner. And we are both making gains every time we max out on anything. No nagging joint problems, or overtraining. You just gotta be a little smart with your training. If you are a complete idiot, then ya, westside wont work well for you.

Oh and ya, I did say 9-12 workouts a week is what i’ll be building up to. Do some more reading on “extra workouts”

Dankid, you are a fucking moron, I mean a complete moron, have fun striving to reach 300 max on bench you fucking pussy.

thats a bit harsh

Why?

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just because he doesn’t agree with dankid’s opinion doesn’t mean dankid is a retard.

[quote]Kerley wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
dankid wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
This is a lot of stupid bitching and I hate you all.

If you are a beginner, DO NOT start off on west side, I have been lifting for almost 8 years, and I have just recently started doing westside for a month. I have seen sick fucking gains with it, very quickly, but, I have a 7 year base of muscle for that to come from, so west side fits me just fine. I would also like to add I am a raw lifter.

Anyway, for new PL’ers, I would suggest p90x, I think the PT dankid would agree.

You are an idiot, and no I wouldn’t agree. I have quite a few years experience, but still consider myself on the low intermediate end, and my GF is pretty much a beginner. And we are both making gains every time we max out on anything. No nagging joint problems, or overtraining. You just gotta be a little smart with your training. If you are a complete idiot, then ya, westside wont work well for you.

Oh and ya, I did say 9-12 workouts a week is what i’ll be building up to. Do some more reading on “extra workouts”

Dankid, you are a fucking moron, I mean a complete moron, have fun striving to reach 300 max on bench you fucking pussy.

thats a bit harsh

Why?

just because he doesn’t agree with dankid’s opinion doesn’t mean dankid is a retard.[/quote]

That has nothing to do with it. Dankid is a retard because Dankid is a retard.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Kerley wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
dankid wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
This is a lot of stupid bitching and I hate you all.

If you are a beginner, DO NOT start off on west side, I have been lifting for almost 8 years, and I have just recently started doing westside for a month. I have seen sick fucking gains with it, very quickly, but, I have a 7 year base of muscle for that to come from, so west side fits me just fine. I would also like to add I am a raw lifter.

Anyway, for new PL’ers, I would suggest p90x, I think the PT dankid would agree.

You are an idiot, and no I wouldn’t agree. I have quite a few years experience, but still consider myself on the low intermediate end, and my GF is pretty much a beginner. And we are both making gains every time we max out on anything. No nagging joint problems, or overtraining. You just gotta be a little smart with your training. If you are a complete idiot, then ya, westside wont work well for you.

Oh and ya, I did say 9-12 workouts a week is what i’ll be building up to. Do some more reading on “extra workouts”

Dankid, you are a fucking moron, I mean a complete moron, have fun striving to reach 300 max on bench you fucking pussy.

thats a bit harsh

Why?

just because he doesn’t agree with dankid’s opinion doesn’t mean dankid is a retard.

That has nothing to do with it. Dankid is a retard because Dankid is a retard.[/quote]

lol. If he’s not a retard, then he is just wasting his time because I dont think many people are listening to what he is saying, I just skip over him. Ok so I have skipped over most of the nonsence in this post. its funny and sad (more sad) when people post a topic about some advice and then it turns into a bashing contest to see who is the better internet advice giver…

[quote]brauny96 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Kerley wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
dankid wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
This is a lot of stupid bitching and I hate you all.

If you are a beginner, DO NOT start off on west side, I have been lifting for almost 8 years, and I have just recently started doing westside for a month. I have seen sick fucking gains with it, very quickly, but, I have a 7 year base of muscle for that to come from, so west side fits me just fine. I would also like to add I am a raw lifter.

Anyway, for new PL’ers, I would suggest p90x, I think the PT dankid would agree.

You are an idiot, and no I wouldn’t agree. I have quite a few years experience, but still consider myself on the low intermediate end, and my GF is pretty much a beginner. And we are both making gains every time we max out on anything. No nagging joint problems, or overtraining. You just gotta be a little smart with your training. If you are a complete idiot, then ya, westside wont work well for you.

Oh and ya, I did say 9-12 workouts a week is what i’ll be building up to. Do some more reading on “extra workouts”

Dankid, you are a fucking moron, I mean a complete moron, have fun striving to reach 300 max on bench you fucking pussy.

thats a bit harsh

Why?

just because he doesn’t agree with dankid’s opinion doesn’t mean dankid is a retard.

That has nothing to do with it. Dankid is a retard because Dankid is a retard.

lol. If he’s not a retard, then he is just wasting his time because I dont think many people are listening to what he is saying, I just skip over him. Ok so I have skipped over most of the nonsence in this post. its funny and sad (more sad) when people post a topic about some advice and then it turns into a bashing contest to see who is the better internet advice giver…[/quote]

Whatever I dont really care what the usual dicks on T-Nation say. Im having more fun than ever training, and hitting PR’s every week. It really doesn’t effect me at all when some idiot on the internet tries to talk shit. I give my opinions and advice, and if someone chooses to listen, then thats great. If they are just gonna listen to the guy that talks the most shit though, well then, that kinda sucks for them.

This is T-Nation, and I wouldn’t expect anything different.

[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
OBoile wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Kerley wrote:
Westside

Highly disagree.

Alisa, any idea what federation you want to compete in? Raw? Single Ply? Multiply?

My best advice would be to find the meet first before you settle on a training style or system. The equipment changes things to a degree…so knowing how you are going to compete is a good starting point.

why whats wrong with training westside?

Well, she’s interested in competing raw and trains at a college rec center. Those would be the two biggest problems.

A college rec center isn’t likely to have things like bands, chains, boards and all those other fun little gimmicks that westside advocates using in training. And considering that she’s talking about competing raw, all those things that work top end strength aren’t going to be the best tools to use to build a stronger raw lifter.

About a year and a half ago, I was in the same situation the OP is in now. I went the westside route, and made little progress. If I could go back and do it all over again, I would have done 5/3/1 from the beginning and probably would have spent less time in gear.

Maxing out on singles and even triples week in and week out didn’t give me any sort of impressive strength gains. It just wasn’t enough volume. I had all the aches, pains and bruises, but little else to show for my efforts. And don’t even get me started on speed work, or the reverse hyper…

Now, before all of Louie’s ball lickers flip out, I’m not saying that westside doesn’t work, or that my program was flawless but still failed to yield results. Just that westside isn’t the be all end all program for powerlifters. Especially a raw female powerlifter that is relatively new to the game.

Alisa, glad to see another woman on here getting into powerlifting. Good luck :slight_smile:

While I tend to agree with you for the most part, I think you and some other posters have some misconceptions about what Westside is supposed to be. Westside doesn’t require bands or chains and it isn’t intended only for geared lifters. It is a template, nothing more. How you use that template depends on your goals and what equimpent is available to you.

That being said, your comments about volume, speed work (for a raw lifter) are spot on IMO. 5/3/1 (which is basically Westside, but varying ME intensity rather than varying ME exercises) seems to work well for a lot of people.

I don’t have any misconceptions about what westside is supposed to be. When I was “training westside” I was at a gym full of former westsiders and some of the strongest men in the sport. Guys that set their records without the help of foam rollers, or blind judges.

I see people post over and over again about how westside doesn’t require this, or you don’t need that to successfully use the template, and its such bullshit. The guys that are training westside and WINNING are the guys that are 1) training AT westside and 2) using all the gimmicks. The lifters that I see being successful with this set up are guys that have already built a good base, are competing in multiply gear, and shoot a couple grams of test in their ass every week.

I’m not saying westside won’t work for a raw/amateur/natural lifter–I know guys that fit in that category and have had great success with the template. But, westside isn’t the only way to train as a powerlifter, and it doesn’t work for everyone.[/quote]

Whoa relax. I was agreeing with you for the most part.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

You won’t find many successful raw lifters training Westside. Those equipped lifters that you see venturing over to raw lifting that train Westside were, for the most part, already brutally strong raw when they started training that way.
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This may or may not be true. I doubt either of us have any way of conducting an accurate survey to find out.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

So, basically what you are saying is that 5/3/1 is like Westside except there is not speed work, no max effort work, no accommodating resistance, specialty bars, special exercises, reverse hypers, extra workouts? So it’s like Westside except nothing like it? All of those things that I’ve listed ARE Westside.
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Nowhere does it say that you can’t use specialty bars, special exercises, reverse hypers etc. with 5/3/1. Extra running workouts are also supposed to be performed with the program. Furthermore, 5/3/1 is in its infancy. I’m sure people will modify it in many ways including extra custom workouts as it evolves. I know already that there is supposed to be a manual coming on how to modify it for geared lifting.
Certainly there are differences, but IMO the similarities are far greater. Both programs have:

  1. Upper/Lower split
  2. Working up to a “money” set in a major compound exercise
  3. followed by assistance work typically set to work on your weaknesses

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

And, you seem to have missed the boat with your 5/3/1 comment. By the time a lifter has been on 5/3/1 long enough to begin catching up to his original true max, that number is no longer his true max. This is why you see lifters hitting the max they calculated their training max off of to start with for 5 reps after several months on the program. Is that number still their max? Of course not, if they hit it for 5 reps, then its ~85% of their max and therefor, is not max effort work. I thought that was kind of obvious?

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And you seem to have missed the fact that everyone gets to the point where they barely make their perscribed reps and then eventually stall out. If they are only getting 1 or 2 reps on the 5-3-1 day, I’m willing to bet that weight is >90% of their true max.

Anyway, this is the last time I’ll argue with you, since we agree for the most part that Westside isn’t a good choice in this case. The difference in opinion that we have is fairly minor IMO.

OP if you can find a gym with PLers and you can train with them, I’d take their advice on how to train if they’re half decent. Get started then try new stuff later.
Good luck.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Buckeye – as I understand there is a PL club. They’re quite a bit better than me, but I’ll still try to get in touch with them; worst case scenario, they’ll say “No, you can’t train with us.” If they are willing, then I have my solution, and I’ll take their advice.

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I suspect that you will get a good response by speaking with the school PL Club. I have yet to see anyone turned down by a club as too weak or inexperienced. Truthfully, you aren’t weak. Most people in this community that I’ve had any interaction with are excited to bring someone new on board and are very supportive and encouraging.

Well, you’re right – I talked to the PL guy, and he’s fine with me tagging along! And he seems very nice. So as soon as I’m back in school I’ll be training with real people. (Not that internet people aren’t wonderful in their own sweet way.)

Good work. Best of luck, and I hope you stick with it and get up on the platform soon!