Getting Pissed Off in the Gym

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote] Brook wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
6-8 reps is ideal for hypertrophy anything lower is strength anything higher is endurance. So really you may not be stalling on deads as long as your increasing the reps with the same weight or increasing the weight you will curb plateauing.

I’d have to disagree. 8-12 is typically more hypertrophy 4-6 strength and above 12 endurance.

Obviously, it’s not a sure cut off point, but a continuum.

However when the word ‘Hypertrophy’ is mentioned - most read: Muscle building. But this isn’t the case. To volumise your muscle (hypertrophy) then 8-12 reps is best… and if you have all the size you want and need your muscles to ‘pop’ then this range is best. However if you want to build tissue, and increase in raw bulk, then a range between 4-9 is best IME.

Brook[/quote]

wtf?

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i like do do work sets with prime numbers, the shit gets to be a bitch. or sometimes a i just do eight reps because i like the way the number eight looks, plus i like to say it e-i-g-h-t because it reminds me to EAT.

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[quote]markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.

Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…

Why do you think this?

Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.

Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.

I didn’t mean 25 reps per set, I meant 5 x 5. Anyways, I’m not even sure why I responded to you in the first place. It seems like all of your forum posts have a condescending undertone. It’s funny really. You would think the big guys would have a certain humility about them.

Guy[/quote]
Condescending? Really? I thought you were being given pretty good advice!

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[quote]DanErickson wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.

Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…

Why do you think this?

Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.

Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.

I didn’t mean 25 reps per set, I meant 5 x 5. Anyways, I’m not even sure why I responded to you in the first place. It seems like all of your forum posts have a condescending undertone. It’s funny really. You would think the big guys would have a certain humility about them.

Guy
Condescending? Really? I thought you were being given pretty good advice!
[/quote]

It was good advice, if in fact I had been doing 25 rep sets.

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^Yes I misunderstood you and thus in turn people reading my comment and basing theirs off mine…

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Yeah, that’s great 8-12 reps, 4-6 reps, whatever for hypertrophy. I don’t know if you notice, but a 405 dead lift isn’t that much. I’ve worked with old skinny, chain smoking, whiskey sippers, and they could lift 405 multiple times through out the day, many times the hour. A few of them were women.

Why don’t you cut your reps down and volume down on you deadlift, you’re not Ronnie Coleman or any of those guys you can’t deadlift 800 lbs 5 times.

Deadlift is different from a bench press, it works different. Look at the power lifting boys and tell me if their backs aren’t fucked up when they get skinny. Hell I know a lot of people who have been lifting wish their backs looked like that shit after 6-8 years of dead lifting.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Brook wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
6-8 reps is ideal for hypertrophy anything lower is strength anything higher is endurance. So really you may not be stalling on deads as long as your increasing the reps with the same weight or increasing the weight you will curb plateauing.

I’d have to disagree. 8-12 is typically more hypertrophy 4-6 strength and above 12 endurance.

Obviously, it’s not a sure cut off point, but a continuum.

However when the word ‘Hypertrophy’ is mentioned - most read: Muscle building. But this isn’t the case. To volumise your muscle (hypertrophy) then 8-12 reps is best… and if you have all the size you want and need your muscles to ‘pop’ then this range is best. However if you want to build tissue, and increase in raw bulk, then a range between 4-9 is best IME.

Brook

wtf?[/quote]

I should let you know, i do acknowledge your experience in training and your long standing membership here - but i have little interest in your agreeing with me, as i am not a skinny bitch like 80% (by all means not 100%) of those who suck your dick here… this is not meant to be an insult to you personally, more to the type of ‘fan’ you attract. I am keen to discern myself from such posters.

I will explain my thoughts a little more…

All i meant was that (assuming that intensity of lift is as high as can be) when training with lower reps… from 4-8 or so… then muscle is build densely, solidly and i believe it is due to a greater amount of hyperplasia - likely due to the larger releases in anabolic hormones, GH especially.
When training in a higher range… like the 8-12 ‘regular’ bodybuilding range, it is very effective at increasing size (when very intense) but the growth is a majority hyperplasia, giving a more ‘pump’ look. This is only really noticeable when not pumped… those who train with the higher reps have massive changes in physique during training, as the cells swell with fluids… i believe this is the basis of the term ‘pump training’.

Brook

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I get pissed off as my workout goes on, so I am more pissed by the time I am leaving than when I started. I am internally competitive so I don’t need much to get it going.

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[quote] Brook wrote:

However when the word ‘Hypertrophy’ is mentioned - most read: Muscle building. But this isn’t the case. To volumise your muscle (hypertrophy) then 8-12 reps is best… and if you have all the size you want and need your muscles to ‘pop’ then this range is best. However if you want to build tissue, and increase in raw bulk, then a range between 4-9 is best IME.

Brook

wtf?

I should let you know, i do acknowledge your experience in training and your long standing membership here - but i have little interest in your agreeing with me, as i am not a skinny bitch like 80% (by all means not 100%) of those who suck your dick here… this is not meant to be an insult to you personally, more to the type of ‘fan’ you attract. I am keen to discern myself from such posters.

I will explain my thoughts a little more…

All i meant was that (assuming that intensity of lift is as high as can be) when training with lower reps… from 4-8 or so… then muscle is build densely, solidly and i believe it is due to a greater amount of hyperplasia - likely due to the larger releases in anabolic hormones, GH especially.
When training in a higher range… like the 8-12 ‘regular’ bodybuilding range, it is very effective at increasing size (when very intense) but the growth is a majority hyperplasia, giving a more ‘pump’ look. This is only really noticeable when not pumped… those who train with the higher reps have massive changes in physique during training, as the cells swell with fluids… i believe this is the basis of the term ‘pump training’.

Brook[/quote]

No seriously, WTF? Or are you going to accuse me of sucking dick as well?

Maybe you should get your facts straight before you start espousing on muscle physiology.

Muscle building isn’t hypertrophy? Really? So what is an increase in the muscle cross sectional area then?

Oh gee, your rep ranges, wow, big difference there. You’re kidding right. Your outlined ranges of 4-9 or 6-12, don’t you think there is a little overlap there?

Hyperplasia?? You’re kidding?? An increase in the NUMBER of myofibrils, based on a splitting of the myofibril, has only been found in a VERY FEW animal models, and definitely not in any mammalian or human muscle.

Rep range: strength and hypertrophy gains have been shown to be similar between a 4-12, and sometimes about 12-15 rep max range, with the amount of gain related to the volume. The general reality is that most trainers don’t have the balls to do a higher volume of high intensity lifts, and settle for a good volume around the 8-10 rep range.

Why am I pissed at you? Cause you’re spouting off and throwing general insults around (I’ve seen a few of your other posts) and are acting the arrogant cock you’re accusing Professor X of being.

Or does this response mean I’m licking Prof X’s balls? Well he’s a nasty cunt anyway :wink: (LOL, loved that Headhunter line).

If you want to abuse people, just goto the Man Above Thread and get it out of your system there.

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yea i’d say cut down the volume. also try deadlifting every other week. the static overcome by dynamic tension that the deadlift has takes alot out of you. your CNS is most likely burnt. i had the same issue when i was around your strength. as soon as i started deadlifting every other week and did different types of goodmornings in the weeks between, i made truly significant gains right away.

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[quote] Brook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Brook wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
6-8 reps is ideal for hypertrophy anything lower is strength anything higher is endurance. So really you may not be stalling on deads as long as your increasing the reps with the same weight or increasing the weight you will curb plateauing.

I’d have to disagree. 8-12 is typically more hypertrophy 4-6 strength and above 12 endurance.

Obviously, it’s not a sure cut off point, but a continuum.

However when the word ‘Hypertrophy’ is mentioned - most read: Muscle building. But this isn’t the case. To volumise your muscle (hypertrophy) then 8-12 reps is best… and if you have all the size you want and need your muscles to ‘pop’ then this range is best. However if you want to build tissue, and increase in raw bulk, then a range between 4-9 is best IME.

Brook

wtf?

I should let you know, i do acknowledge your experience in training and your long standing membership here - but i have little interest in your agreeing with me, as i am not a skinny bitch like 80% (by all means not 100%) of those who suck your dick here… this is not meant to be an insult to you personally, more to the type of ‘fan’ you attract. I am keen to discern myself from such posters.

I will explain my thoughts a little more…

All i meant was that (assuming that intensity of lift is as high as can be) when training with lower reps… from 4-8 or so… then muscle is build densely, solidly and i believe it is due to a greater amount of hyperplasia - likely due to the larger releases in anabolic hormones, GH especially.
When training in a higher range… like the 8-12 ‘regular’ bodybuilding range, it is very effective at increasing size (when very intense) but the growth is a majority hyperplasia, giving a more ‘pump’ look. This is only really noticeable when not pumped… those who train with the higher reps have massive changes in physique during training, as the cells swell with fluids… i believe this is the basis of the term ‘pump training’.

Brook[/quote]

LOL @ hyperplasia. HAHAHAHAHA

You don’t have a flying clue what you are talking about. If training like a bodybuilder produced “hyperplasia” of muscle tissue, there wouldn’t one professional/Olympic athlete in the world that wouldn’t train that way just to get an edge.

Go do some real research and quit making shit up.

Wow.

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i get pissed off when people at the gym try to tell me shit. i dont care if you work there or are lifting there. i dont give a fuck if the bar is bending and i dont give a fuck if im being too loud and especially dont fucking tell me to put the plates away neatly when they gym looks like the reminisce of hurricane katrina. go pick the barbell up from the middle of the floor and the 40, 30, and 60 pound dumbell (because there isnt even a pair of them) scattered next to the bench press, THEN you can bitch at me.

and dont fucking crowd the ONLY cable station in the gym with your 6 buddies doing cable flies. go use the fucking machine or some dumbells and a bench. for fucks sake what is wrong with people?

dont stand IN FRONT of a cage/rack and do deadlifts either. take a few fucking steps back. you know what else, dont take up the fucking cage with your barbell that has 2 10’s on the end of it. unless youre a toddler or severely handicapped there is no excuse for this and you can do it somewhere else with massive strain of lifting 65 pounds deflate you ‘too’ much.

and while this doesnt interfere with me personally, if youre going to do any compound movment, stop being a fucking bitch and add some plates. i saw a guy doing RDL’s with the 5’s on each end or something equally rediculous. are you fucking kidding me? thats the equivelant of tying your shoe with a backpack and a hoody on. if youre a grown ass man and youre doing any compound barbell movement without at least one plate on, you need to get the fuck out of the gym. i would love to work out with a girl who’s still dainty yet lifts more than those puss wads. it wouldnt be hard to find one either.

who else pisses me off at the gym…this kid who weighs no more than 185 at 6 feet or so and punches plates (theyre rubber btw) after or before his sets. if we were talking about tools this kid would be the entire Home Depot Hardware aisle. quarter benches, never squats and acts hard using machines. you arent strong, you arent intimidating, youre just lame. i know you think those d-bolz and the winny that your friend gave you made you into an animal but you probaly arent even dosing right and regardless, you’re still a chump even if all your friends think youre the most jacked cat ever yo.

theres not much else that “pisses me off” theres some things i think are stupid to do, like checking out your abs every 3 seconds like you just lost 15 pounds of fat from your mid section but that doesnt piss me off. it just makes whoever does it look stupid.

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[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
But isn’t muscle under tension is what builds muscle. Say you have a tempo of 1:0:1 for explosive lift over a tempo of 302, the second example will generally build more muscle.

Yes, no?[/quote]

do you bring a metronome with you to the gym?

tempo. wow. youre ‘that’ guy, huh?

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Work on your technique. You’d be amazed how much more you can pull when technical issues get resolved. Now obviously I don’t KNOW it’s an issue without seeing a video but it can’t hurt to get it double checked.

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[quote]markdp wrote:
dratner wrote:
I think if you’ve had success with hypertrophy at 5x5, then clearly you’ve had success with hypertrophy at 5x5…catch my drift? If it works for you, then it works for you. Plain and simple. Now if you’ve stalled out on a PR…my biggest question to you is what is your workout nutrition like? break it down for me. Second, I would cut down on your warm up, but that’s just my opinion. How long are you resting between work sets?

I’m getting around 3700 - 4000 kcal/day. I usually get around 250 - 300 grams of protein a day. On my deadlift, back and chest days I try to get more carbs than on my other days… probably around 250 - 300 grams. Honestly, I don’t count my macros everyday, but I have a pretty good feel for how much I eat.

When doing deadlifts I usually rest 4 to 5 minutes between sets.[/quote]

I’m not sure if I read it correctly, are you getting an ADDITIONAL 250-300g carbs on those days? If not, I’m far from an expert but I’d recommend easing off protein a bit and concentrating on getting quality carbs. At least twice as many carbs as your protein intake, if not more.

As far as deadlifting is concerned, there’s a lot of great advice here. Find something that works for you

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
But isn’t muscle under tension is what builds muscle. Say you have a tempo of 1:0:1 for explosive lift over a tempo of 302, the second example will generally build more muscle.

Yes, no?

do you bring a metronome with you to the gym?

tempo. wow. youre ‘that’ guy, huh?[/quote]

I was referring to Poliquin Principles. I would be the last to say he doesn’t know shit, but hey I’m ‘that’ guy. Didn’t a article come out interviewing Dave Tate “My Greatest Gains” and he used tempo? Hmmmm…