[quote]Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?[/quote]
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.
[quote]markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.[/quote]
Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.
Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.[/quote]
A little misunderstanding perhaps? I was under the impression the original comment was made about a total of 25 reps (4-5 sets, 5 reps each) - hence why I thought 25 is a decent number.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.
Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.[/quote]
I didn’t mean 25 reps per set, I meant 5 x 5. Anyways, I’m not even sure why I responded to you in the first place. It seems like all of your forum posts have a condescending undertone. It’s funny really. You would think the big guys would have a certain humility about them.
Guy
[quote]markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.
Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.
I didn’t mean 25 reps per set, I meant 5 x 5. Anyways, I’m not even sure why I responded to you in the first place. It seems like all of your forum posts have a condescending undertone. It’s funny really. You would think the big guys would have a certain humility about them.
Guy[/quote]
Humility about questioning what you are doing in the gym? I apparently wasn’t the only one who misunderstood you, especially since most people are discussing the number of reps per set when they give those numbers. If I say I am doing 6-10 reps, that is NOT the total number for the entire training session. You missed the other poster questioning your “endurance training”?
[quote]markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.
Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.
I didn’t mean 25 reps per set, I meant 5 x 5. Anyways, I’m not even sure why I responded to you in the first place. It seems like all of your forum posts have a condescending undertone. It’s funny really. You would think the big guys would have a certain humility about them.
Guy[/quote]
Were you signing your post as “Guy” or were you calling X “Guy” in return?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.
Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.
I didn’t mean 25 reps per set, I meant 5 x 5. Anyways, I’m not even sure why I responded to you in the first place. It seems like all of your forum posts have a condescending undertone. It’s funny really. You would think the big guys would have a certain humility about them.
Guy
Humility about questioning what you are doing in the gym? I apparently wasn’t the only one who misunderstood you, especially since most people are discussing the number of reps per set when they give those numbers. If I say I am doing 6-10 reps, that is NOT the total number for the entire training session. You missed the other poster questioning your “endurance training”?[/quote]
I guess no one read my first post where I said 4 or 5 sets trying to hit 25 total reps. When I spoke of humility I wasn’t referring to you questioning me about what I was doing in the gym, I was referring to the second half of your post, but I think you knew that.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.
Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.
I didn’t mean 25 reps per set, I meant 5 x 5. Anyways, I’m not even sure why I responded to you in the first place. It seems like all of your forum posts have a condescending undertone. It’s funny really. You would think the big guys would have a certain humility about them.
Guy
Were you signing your post as “Guy” or were you calling X “Guy” in return? [/quote]
I was signing it Guy.
[quote]markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.
Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.
I didn’t mean 25 reps per set, I meant 5 x 5. Anyways, I’m not even sure why I responded to you in the first place. It seems like all of your forum posts have a condescending undertone. It’s funny really. You would think the big guys would have a certain humility about them.
Guy
Humility about questioning what you are doing in the gym? I apparently wasn’t the only one who misunderstood you, especially since most people are discussing the number of reps per set when they give those numbers. If I say I am doing 6-10 reps, that is NOT the total number for the entire training session. You missed the other poster questioning your “endurance training”?
I guess no one read my first post where I said 4 or 5 sets trying to hit 25 total reps. When I spoke of humility I wasn’t referring to you questioning me about what I was doing in the gym, I was referring to the second half of your post, but I think you knew that. [/quote]
Oh, geeze, I forgot…there are some very sensitive people getting into weight lifting lately.
[quote]markdp wrote:
Have you ever gotten pissed off in the gym? Happens to me every once in a while but for some reason I got really pissed today. I’ve been trying to move my DL from the 365 range to the 405 range and I just don’t know what I’m doing wrong. I’ve been eating a surplus and have gained about 5 pounds in the past 2 months, but all my lifts are about the same.
I got in today and did 135 x 10, 225 x 10, 315 x 5, and then onto my working sets, which I was going to do 365: 4 or 5 sets, trying to hit 25 total reps. I went to my first rep and the weight felt really heavy, and I just knew I wasn’t going to hit 25. I did 5 reps then left the gym. I’ve been stuck at this weight for almost 4 months now. Two or three sessions ago I did 365 x 8 on my first set, and this time I could barely hit 5. Maybe I should just quit deadlifting. [/quote]
Cut your warmup in half.
Do rack pulls in the 405 plus range.
Make your working sets 5x3 with 85 percent of your current max.
or an especially good day do a 10x3 with 85 percent of your max.
Do this for 3 to 4 weeks…do other stuff for a week and then try to hit that 405.
I think anyone who misunderstood this was probably guilty of skimming the original post. I mean, it’s pretty clear.
That being said, I agree with Waylander that your best bet would be to switch your deadlifts with a complementary movement, run that one for a spell (or until stagnation), and then switch back to deadlifting.
4 months of no progress, man? Within four workouts I’d have been racking my brain for a solution to this problem.
[quote]B rocK wrote:
you say you have been eating a surplus…but have only gained 5lbs in 8 weeks. now you might have gained more then that by losing fat too but if your trying to gain weight…and only gaining .625lbs/wk…you might need to bump your calories a bit higher.[/quote]
Whats wrong with 5 pounds in 2 months? If he stays at that rate that’s 30 lbs in a year. How much more weight would you expect a natty trainee to gain in that period without it being mostly fat?
[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
But isn’t muscle under tension is what builds muscle. Say you have a tempo of 1:0:1 for explosive lift over a tempo of 302, the second example will generally build more muscle.
Yes, no?[/quote]
Yeah, time under tension builds muscle, but that can apply to total time under tension, meaning across all your sets. It doesn’t necessarily mean necessarily time under tension within each rep like a 302 tempo as opposed to an explosive lift. Otherwise, you’d almost never see Olympic weightlifters with substantial hypertrophy, which is obviously not the case.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Professor X wrote:
markdp wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
If your goal is hypertrophy then why are you shooting for 25 reps? That’s more like strength endurance.
Really? I thought 25 reps would be good for hypertrophy…
Why do you think this?
Honestly, I read it in an article. And I know what you’re going to say, but I’ve seen good progress from doing this. Obviously, I’ve stalled so I need to change it up again.
Guy, lifting weights period should be producing results. That doesn’t mean you are doing it right. That many reps is for endurance. If course you will stall out if you are expecting slow twitch muscle fibers to keep growing the most. They won’t. Read less articles and more textbooks. You would know this if you had either done that or simply asked someone way bigger than you.
I didn’t mean 25 reps per set, I meant 5 x 5. Anyways, I’m not even sure why I responded to you in the first place. It seems like all of your forum posts have a condescending undertone. It’s funny really. You would think the big guys would have a certain humility about them.
Guy
Humility about questioning what you are doing in the gym? I apparently wasn’t the only one who misunderstood you, especially since most people are discussing the number of reps per set when they give those numbers. If I say I am doing 6-10 reps, that is NOT the total number for the entire training session. You missed the other poster questioning your “endurance training”?
I guess no one read my first post where I said 4 or 5 sets trying to hit 25 total reps. When I spoke of humility I wasn’t referring to you questioning me about what I was doing in the gym, I was referring to the second half of your post, but I think you knew that.
Oh, geeze, I forgot…there are some very sensitive people getting into weight lifting lately.[/quote]
I just think it is pretty funny that someone who is obviously ahead of the game as far as size goes is so arrogant, but fortunately that doesn’t seem to be the rule on here.
[quote]anonym wrote:
4 months of no progress, man? Within four workouts I’d have been racking my brain for a solution to this problem.[/quote]
I apologize because I wasn’t very clear. I haven’t been doing the same workout for four months. For a week or two I dropped DLs and just did SLDLs on a platform. I was doing 275 x 10, 295 x 9, and 315 x 6. Then I started doing rack pulls for a week or two. I was doing warm ups leading up to 405 x 10. I then went back to DLs and am stuck at the same weight.
[quote]anonym wrote:
That being said, I agree with Waylander that your best bet would be to switch your deadlifts with a complementary movement, run that one for a spell (or until stagnation), and then switch back to deadlifting.
[/quote]
Ya, I agree. I think that is what I’ll do.
edit: you know what you gotta do now.
Just make sure you run it longer than one or two weeks like you did with the SLDLs and rack-pulls. I’d personally go until I stagnate on it, but at the very least make it a few months. You really just can’t add enough weight to the bar over a couple workouts to make enough of a difference to bust through a plateau.
Yea I misunderstood what was being said for some reason, thinking he was shooting for 25 reps in one set. I even confused X lol. I think TUT really helps you focus on the task at hand and form as well. I will be the first to say I don’t use TUT for everything. I usually use it for lighter weight/body weight exercise and when it comes to heavier work sets I’m more concentrated on getting a full rep and contracting as hard as I can.
I agree with Lankymofo when it comes to heavier weight I’m not focusing on the tempo.
[quote]markdp wrote:
Have you ever gotten pissed off in the gym? Happens to me every once in a while but for some reason I got really pissed today. I’ve been trying to move my DL from the 365 range to the 405 range and I just don’t know what I’m doing wrong. I’ve been eating a surplus and have gained about 5 pounds in the past 2 months, but all my lifts are about the same.
I got in today and did 135 x 10, 225 x 10, 315 x 5, and then onto my working sets, which I was going to do 365: 4 or 5 sets, trying to hit 25 total reps. I went to my first rep and the weight felt really heavy, and I just knew I wasn’t going to hit 25. I did 5 reps then left the gym. I’ve been stuck at this weight for almost 4 months now. Two or three sessions ago I did 365 x 8 on my first set, and this time I could barely hit 5. Maybe I should just quit deadlifting. [/quote]
You have done too much work in the build up to the max lifts. You don’t train to failure for the DL - ESPECIALLY if you are looking for a PB.
Using the reps and weights you provided… try the following:
135lbs x 6
185lbs x 4
225lbs x 4
315lbs x 3
365lbs x 1
405lbs x 1
This will pyramid you to the number you want. Once you can actually shift the weight, work on practising this… move to squats, increase that number - then come back to DL and shoot for 3 reps with the max weight. You’ll piss it.
Expecting to add 40lbs and keep the same, high rep range as a natural is asking a little too much IME. If you want a bigger lift, fine - but increase it while dropping the reps THEN increase the reps from that lift. Then increase the weight once again.
Obviously in practice, it isn’t this easy - but it is this simple.
I recentyly avoided DL’s opting for the Squat in order to keep the mid-riff slim, increase leg size AND especially improve form on the squat. My number remained the same, but the ROM increased significantly. I recently moved back to DL and have done only one session with it. I found i had added 50lbs or so within the same rep range as previously.
One of the best ways to improve DL numbers is to train the Squat. 
Brook
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Fuzzyapple wrote:
6-8 reps is ideal for hypertrophy anything lower is strength anything higher is endurance. So really you may not be stalling on deads as long as your increasing the reps with the same weight or increasing the weight you will curb plateauing.
I’d have to disagree. 8-12 is typically more hypertrophy 4-6 strength and above 12 endurance.
Obviously, it’s not a sure cut off point, but a continuum.[/quote]
However when the word ‘Hypertrophy’ is mentioned - most read: Muscle building. But this isn’t the case. To volumise your muscle (hypertrophy) then 8-12 reps is best… and if you have all the size you want and need your muscles to ‘pop’ then this range is best. However if you want to build tissue, and increase in raw bulk, then a range between 4-9 is best IME.
Brook