Getting Fatter, What am I Doing Wrong?

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
i agree he’s too obsessive over some details but about just stuffing his face, have you ever heard of skinny-fat people? Chris shugarts mentioned it plenty of times as well…just because he or someone is skinny doesn’t mean they cant have too much fat. if someone is as skinny as 155lb. but still at 13% BF thats definitely not someone who should just stuff his face IMO.[/quote]

Have you ever heard of “skinny-fat” people BEFORE they were mentioned by you-know-who ?

As far as I can remember, nobody worried about them before, so why are they suddenly an issue?

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
i agree he’s too obsessive over some details but about just stuffing his face, have you ever heard of skinny-fat people? Chris shugarts mentioned it plenty of times as well…just because he or someone is skinny doesn’t mean they cant have too much fat. if someone is as skinny as 155lb. but still at 13% BF thats definitely not someone who should just stuff his face IMO.

Have you ever heard of “skinny-fat” people BEFORE they were mentioned by you-know-who ?

As far as I can remember, nobody worried about them before, so why are they suddenly an issue?
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Just because it wasn’t meantioned doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’ve seen plenty of kids and adults who have no muscle but have too much fat. I’m just pointing it out, not necessarilly saying it’s the OP’s problem

[quote]Professor X wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
if someone is as skinny as 155lb. but still at 13% BF thats definitely not someone who should just stuff his face IMO.

Why the hell not? Where do you think most people started? Do you really think every huge guy walking around refused to gain a pound until they were specifically 10% body fat?

Some of you need to stop reading some of these articles you put so much value in because reality doesn’t work the same as what you seem to be reading. The fact that you even see “13%” as a negative speaks volumes.

It also explains why there are so few people on this site who would actually stand out in a crowded gym.

Lastly, I wouldn’t take advice from people unless they had achieved a significant level themselves. How many people in this thread have actually made enough progress to give this guy advice to begin with?[/quote]

that may be but i dont think most people are going to find someone who’s 13% that impressive even if they’re 250lb…in fact the majority will probably think he’s overweight. Thats not to say that matters because he could cut down, again i’m just saying.

You seem to have high credentials though, what would you tell him to do thats different than whats been said? I’m not arguing, I’m just asking because all i noticed you say in this thread was some random thing about the internet

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:

that may be but i dont think most people are going to find someone who’s 13% that impressive even if they’re 250lb…in fact the majority will probably think he’s overweight. Thats not to say that matters because he could cut down, again i’m just saying.
You seem to have high credentials though, what would you tell him to do thats different than whats been said? I’m not arguing, I’m just asking because all i noticed you say in this thread was some random thing about the internet

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Clueless.

I have no doubt I am OVER 13% body fat. I also get plenty of attention for my development and I am over 250lbs. Do you realize how big 250lbs at 13% body fat is? And you think people will simply think they are fat?

You MUST be a newbie. Only someone that new to this would think that way.

Again, focus less on these articles, especially those written by people who barely look like they lift if your goal is to actually resemble a bodybuilder.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
pumped340 wrote:

that may be but i dont think most people are going to find someone who’s 13% that impressive even if they’re 250lb…in fact the majority will probably think he’s overweight. Thats not to say that matters because he could cut down, again i’m just saying.
You seem to have high credentials though, what would you tell him to do thats different than whats been said? I’m not arguing, I’m just asking because all i noticed you say in this thread was some random thing about the internet

Clueless.

I have no doubt I am OVER 13% body fat. I also get plenty of attention for my development and I am over 250lbs. Do you realize how big 250lbs at 13% body fat is? And you think people will simply think they are fat?

You MUST be a newbie. Only someone that new to this would think that way.

Again, focus less on these articles, especially those written by people who barely look like they lift if your goal is to actually resemble a bodybuilder.[/quote]

i did not say i dont find that impressive. I do. i said most would not and most would find it overweight, however as we know most dont look at bodybuilding the same way we do.

So thats your advice for a 17 year old kid? To look at what the steroid using bodybuilders do instead of experts who train thousands? If not maybe you could be more specific (Again, not arguing…i’m wondering your opinion)

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[quote]David1991 wrote:

Scott is the routine i posted what you were talking about?
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Yes that’s the one.

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:

i did not say i dont find that impressive. I do. i said most would not and most would find it overweight, however as we know most dont look at bodybuilding the same way we do.[/quote]

Gee, again, I am bigger than that and over 13% and no one thinks I’m obese. They think I am very muscular. The goal of all of us is to be very lean and big, but the road to actually getting there without it taking 30 years will in some cases require someone to look a little softer for a while. That is just reality. Accept it or stay small while crying about who does steroids.

Wow. Those steroid using bodybuilders built their bodies up the same way everyone else did. the largest difference is they can train more often and consume more calories. Why would you avoid listening to those WHO HAVE ACTUALLY ACHIEVED THAT LEVEL just because of those two factors?

I could care less how many “thousands” some “expert” trains unless they have specifically helped those thousands reach the goal I am after.

Considering some of these “experts” have yet to even show examples of what the people they train look like, color me unimpressed with numbers alone.

I listen to those who have achieved the goal or helped others reach that goal.

This is a bodybuilding forum. If you aren’t trying to look like one, you are in the wrong place.

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
David1991 wrote:

Scott is the routine i posted what you were talking about?

Yes that’s the one. [/quote]

ok cool, i have a few questions about your recommendations and the routine if you dont mind. Should i ask here or PM you?

to everyone: i appreciate the advice and i will focus on just getting stronger on my lifts for now. I think that will be much more fun anyway and i will be able to really progress hopefully. as a gauge of progress do you just suggest the scale and mirror?

btw to those who think i was just bull shitting about putting on fat and no muscle…well i decided to get one last set of measurements before i go 3+ months without doing it again based off of what someone here said.

In one week at the college having to guess work my diet it seems i’ve lost 3lb. of LBM and gained a pound of fat (easily seen by the way in the mirror). sigh…but thats irrelevant to everyone here for whatever reason. I’ll be going with what everyones said now

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Eat BIG, Lift BIG.

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Be BIG.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gee, again, I am bigger than that and over 13% and no one thinks I’m obese. They think I am very muscular. The goal of all of us is to be very lean and big, but the road to actually getting there without it taking 30 years will in some cases require someone to look a little softer for a while. That is just reality. Accept it or stay small while crying about who does steroids.

Wow. Those steroid using bodybuilders built their bodies up the same way everyone else did. the largest difference is they can train more often and consume more calories. Why would you avoid listening to those WHO HAVE ACTUALLY ACHIEVED THAT LEVEL just because of those two factors?

I could care less how many “thousands” some “expert” trains unless they have specifically helped those thousands reach the goal I am after.

Considering some of these “experts” have yet to even show examples of what the people they train look like, color me unimpressed with numbers alone.

I listen to those who have achieved the goal or helped others reach that goal.

This is a bodybuilding forum. If you aren’t trying to look like one, you are in the wrong place.

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you are misinterpreting what i am saying. I am saying you can’t tell an average 17 y/o kid that he should look at what the big pro’s do. If they take that advice they’ll end up training 5x or more in the gym a week with ridiculous amounts of sets thinking they can recover from that.

Those at the top have steroids AND great genetics, training like them at 17 or at all without the same backround is just stupid. I’m not saying dont take advice from the big guys who know what they’re talking about but i am saying dont follow the routines of the pro’s. And i’m sure most here would agree with me.

If i am looking at what you said incorrectly maybe you could post a sample routine you feel would work well for most in the 17-18 range?

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But…I could NEVER learn anything from Sergio Oliva because he isn’t an “internet expert”. Everyone knows you can’t learn anything from the guys who actually got big. You are supposed to learn everything from the guys who stayed small and are now pissed as a result and bag on every larger bodybuilder they can to make themselves feel better.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
But…I could NEVER learn anything from Sergio Oliva because he isn’t an “internet expert”. Everyone knows you can’t learn anything from the guys who actually got big. You are supposed to learn everything from the guys who stayed small and are now pissed as a result and bag on every larger bodybuilder they can to make themselves feel better.[/quote]

See this is your problem, you just start insulting and not offering even a bit of good advice. Instead of being vague or talking about something else answer me this.

  1. Do you honestly believe most should train like the top pro’s as far as frequency, volume, intensity, sets, rest, etc…?

  2. What do you think would be a good routine for someone in the OP’s situation

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gee, again, I am bigger than that and over 13% and no one thinks I’m obese. They think I am very muscular. The goal of all of us is to be very lean and big, but the road to actually getting there without it taking 30 years will in some cases require someone to look a little softer for a while. That is just reality. Accept it or stay small while crying about who does steroids.

Wow. Those steroid using bodybuilders built their bodies up the same way everyone else did. the largest difference is they can train more often and consume more calories. Why would you avoid listening to those WHO HAVE ACTUALLY ACHIEVED THAT LEVEL just because of those two factors?

I could care less how many “thousands” some “expert” trains unless they have specifically helped those thousands reach the goal I am after.

Considering some of these “experts” have yet to even show examples of what the people they train look like, color me unimpressed with numbers alone.

I listen to those who have achieved the goal or helped others reach that goal.

This is a bodybuilding forum. If you aren’t trying to look like one, you are in the wrong place.

you are misinterpreting what i am saying. I am saying you can’t tell an average 17 y/o kid that he should look at what the big pro’s do. If they take that advice they’ll end up training 5x or more in the gym a week with ridiculous amounts of sets thinking they can recover from that. Those at the top have steroids AND great genetics, training like them at 17 or at all without the same backround is just stupid. I’m not saying dont take advice from the big guys who know what they’re talking about but i am saying dont follow the routines of the pro’s. And i’m sure most here would agree with me.

If i am looking at what you said incorrectly maybe you could post a sample routine you feel would work well for most in the 17-18 range?

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Kid, I WAS that 17 year old kid and I walked up to everyone bigger than me in the gym for advice. Your mistake…and I want you to finally grasp that it IS a fucking mistake…is that you assume pro bodybuilders can teach you nothing simply because they use steroids.

That is one retarded way to look at this and on a site like this, I am amazed you even think that makes sense.

I would pay money to hear what Lee Haney has to say, even now. I would not pay money to listen to someone who weighs less than half what I do unless they are constantly training guys who are my size and bigger.

You have been mislead. Let’s see how long it takes you to finally figure that out yourself.

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:

  1. Do you honestly believe most should train like the top pro’s as far as frequency, sets, rest, etc…?[/quote]

NO, and most pro’s would NEVER recommend some newbie trains just like them. The overall basic concept is the same, however, even if you have to cut your training down to 9 sets instead of 15-20. How are you not understanding this?

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  1. What do you think would be a good routine for someone in the OP’s situation[/quote]

The OP has severe mental issues that will keep him from making any real progress. Until he fixes that, there is little a “routine recommendation” is going to do.

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David PM if you like, this thread is going to be cluttered. X keep typing, you are saving me from making the same posts lol.

pumped340 if you keep throwing away what successful bodybuilders of the past and present do to reach their goals you are going to be a very unhappy person in your pursuit.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Kid, I WAS that 17 year old kid and I walked up to everyone bigger than me in the gym for advice. Your mistake…and I want you to finally grasp that it IS a fucking mistake…is that you assume pro bodybuilders can teach you nothing simply because they use steroids.

That is one retarded way to look at this and on a site like this, I am amazed you even think that makes sense.

I would pay money to hear what Lee Haney has to say, even now. I would not pay money to listen to someone who weighs less than half what I do unless they are constantly training guys who are my size and bigger.

You have been mislead. Let’s see how long it takes you to finally figure that out yourself.[/quote]

i understand and somewhat agree with what you are saying but thats not answering my question. The 2 questions above, what are your answers? Do you really think most should train the same way as the pro’s and what would be a good example of a routine you’d give the average 17-18y/o?

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Kid, I WAS that 17 year old kid and I walked up to everyone bigger than me in the gym for advice. Your mistake…and I want you to finally grasp that it IS a fucking mistake…is that you assume pro bodybuilders can teach you nothing simply because they use steroids.

That is one retarded way to look at this and on a site like this, I am amazed you even think that makes sense.

I would pay money to hear what Lee Haney has to say, even now. I would not pay money to listen to someone who weighs less than half what I do unless they are constantly training guys who are my size and bigger.

You have been mislead. Let’s see how long it takes you to finally figure that out yourself.

i understand and somewhat agree with what you are saying but thats not answering my question. The 2 questions above, what are your answers? Do you really think most should train the same way as the pro’s and what would be a good example of a routine you’d give the average 17-18y/o?

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Kid, type less, listen more.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
pumped340 wrote:

  1. Do you honestly believe most should train like the top pro’s as far as frequency, sets, rest, etc…?

NO, and most pro’s would NEVER recommend some newbie trains just like them. The overall basic concept is the same, however, even if you have to cut your training down to 9 sets instead of 15-20. How are you not understanding this?

  1. What do you think would be a good routine for someone in the OP’s situation

The OP has severe mental issues that will keep him from making any real progress. Until he fixes that, there is little a “routine recommendation” is going to do.[/quote]

Ok see that is what i was wondering. You kept making it seem like everyone should look at how the pro’s train and follow that. What you said there makes more sense.

As to number 2 i agree he has some issues to work out but if he worked them out he could still use a good routine. Do you agree with the one Scott M recommended?

Personally i think he (the OP) and most could get much bigger if like you said they workout some mental issues about getting fat but still what are your guidelines if you have any for a solid routine in his position?

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
pumped340 wrote:

  1. Do you honestly believe most should train like the top pro’s as far as frequency, sets, rest, etc…?

NO, and most pro’s would NEVER recommend some newbie trains just like them. The overall basic concept is the same, however, even if you have to cut your training down to 9 sets instead of 15-20. How are you not understanding this?

  1. What do you think would be a good routine for someone in the OP’s situation

The OP has severe mental issues that will keep him from making any real progress. Until he fixes that, there is little a “routine recommendation” is going to do.

Ok see that is what i was wondering. You kept making it seem like everyone should look at how the pro’s train and follow that. What you said there makes more sense. As to number 2 i agree he has some issues to work out but if he worked them out he could still use a good routine. Do you agree with the one Scott M recommended? Personally i think he (the OP) and most could get much bigger if like you said they workout some mental issues about getting fat but still what are your guidelines if you have any for a solid routine in his position?

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I am not about to write that out again. I have done that way too much over the years. Do a search.

Why do some of you think you are the first people to ask these questions OR that some of us are going to feel like typing out the same response a few thousand times?

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
David PM if you like, this thread is going to be cluttered. X keep typing, you are saving me from making the same posts lol.

pumped340 if you keep throwing away what successful bodybuilders of the past and present do to reach their goals you are going to be a very unhappy person in your pursuit.
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Correct me if i’m wrong but you seem to be giving the opposite advice as X. He says to take the advice of pro’s and train that way. You on the other hand suggested the OP do a fairly low volume full body (or close to it) routine. Seems to be different opinions

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am not about to write that out again. I have done that way too much over the years. Do a search.

Why do some of you think you are the first people to ask these questions OR that some of us are going to feel like typing out the same response a few thousand times?[/quote]

from my understanding you are big on body part splits and working a muscle a lot until you feel you are fatigued, not having a predetermined number of sets or days a week right?