Just do Berardi’s Massive Eating Plan if you absolutely feel the need to follow an expert diet.
Its really soooo much simpler than carb cycling and… ull get more calories…
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
David1991 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
David1991 wrote:
<<< i’ll take all of your advice >>>
I know I’m gonna be sorry, but could you please explain how this is possible?
David1991 wrote:
<<< btw does anyone think my fat would be too high here? >>>
Think with me for just a minute here if you would. You have been given advice on every conceivable topic already in this thread, all of which you say you’re going to take and then begin asking more questions about fat intake.
Regardless of how good anything else you’ve been told has been, the one piece of advice that may save you from yourself is what Brook said on the previous page.
People have taken the well meaning time to try to help you get sorted out, but they have not yet learned that it will be for naught. Look yourself in the mirror and repeat the famous Pogo quote slightly revised. I have met the enemy and he is me. You are a one man panic trying to escape a burning building friend.
Seriously, you have 20 stories erected on no foundation. All this stuff you’re constantly fretting about would take care of itself if you would just get that foundation laid.
lol well i mean you say stick to the basics but there can still be some problems right? im trying to not overthink it and have been more “non chalant” about certain things since this thread (thanks) but i was just wondering if that particular thing was off just because the fat here is so high…tons of saturated fat from all the animal products so i would think there could be problems.
damn yesterday i was at the gym and far away from a full length mirror…i looked soo skinny, it was weird i reminded myself of what i looked like when i was 125lb. i just wanted to bulk like crazy then lol.
Look, you’re not a bad guy and you’re not an idiot. I actually felt bad watching you get booted from the T-Cell though I voted for it.
If only you and a 1000 other guys who show up here could grasp what Professor X just said.
Unless you are well advanced and maybe 16 weeks out from a contest the secret is there are no secrets. If you spent half the energy under a bar that you spend groping around all this information you’d really be getting somewhere. I frankly have no idea how you could possibly be getting fatter. With all the calories you spend thinking and typing it’s a wonder you don’t look like a marathon runner.
If I could clang you on the head with a dumbbell, because that’s what it would take to slow you down, and put you under hypnosis so you would do exactly what I said it would be the following:
See the little coin swinging in front of your face? Repeat after me. “I have read and remember nothing about weight training… I have read and remember nothing about weight training.”
Now, pick something, ANYTHING, designed for beginners and work it like your life depended on it.
Eat 6 reasonably solid meals a day counting and measuring nothing for now. Just eat plenty of good food until you feel full… for now.
Take your computer and you calipers, lock them in a heavy cabinet somewhere and send somebody the key. Preferably somebody in another country you know you’ll have a hard time getting a hold of
Make no changes for 3 months. In 3 months you would have some clues on what adjustments if any are useful. Nothing disastrous could happen to anybody in 3 months and you would have some actually useful little tidbits about yourself to start laying that foundation with.
Of course this will probably never happen because you can’t help yourself and in 10 or 15 years we’ll still be reading long posts describing your latest quest for micro scientific precision.
It’s been said already, but nears repeating. Everything needed for a solid year of progress for ANY beginner can be put on one side of one piece of loose leaf paper. If you tell me you’re not a beginner then this is yet another wasted post.
BTW, all this goes for me too. The only difference is I do have a solid enough foundation of self awareness to know what simple changes are needed here and there. If I let myself go I could be just like you, drowning in information. I have to intentionally prevent that from happening lest you perceive me as thinking myself superior.[/quote]
well said sir, well said
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
I actually feel sorry for this kid. What is obvious to a lot of us stays out of sight to him, probably because of the extreme confusion caused by reading TOO much.
David:
- What are your lifts? DL, squat, bench, DB bench, military, barbell/pendlay row, power clean, pullups and dips?
- What were your lifts when you started out?
- How old are you?
Gainign muscle after maturity is VERY difficult and most people don;t have what it takes to add it. I honestly think you ar ewasting your time and should find a different hobby!
Why damage your joints for no gain whatsoever?
Your body doesn;t mind gaining fat because thats what it is designed to do. Muscle is a very different kind of tissue and the body beeds to be forced to add muscle after maturity. While some can add muscle (15-20 pounds worth) with little fat gain, most of us WILL add some fat when we bulk up.
And a request, enough with the LOL’s you keep sprinkling throughout your posts. please.[/quote]
i’ll take it down a notch with the “lols” lol (last one 
)
as to stopping bodybuilding now, i really dont think i could. mentally i just couldnt stop doing it at this point…knowing theres potential to be in so much better shape than most when im older. plus theres the health benefits to it.
my lifts…well they are much heavier than when i started of course…but they’renot much more than ever a year ago today when i think about it. that point was brought up to me in the last month or so which has made me really think about that and how i need to get stronger. oh and im 17.
[quote]hit the gym wrote:
how often do you take your measurements? that might be your prob right there.[/quote]
weight and bodyfat once a week. arm measurements randomly and everything (like muscle circumferences) not very often
[quote]hit the gym wrote:
David1991 wrote:
btw does anyone think my fat would be too high here? i only have carbs for breakfast and pre/post WO…probably about 75-100g total a day. after that i stick with veggies and meats but a lot of the meat is very fatty (eggs, burgers and other red meats, full fat chicken, etc…). i just found out yesterday i can get some chicken breast and egg whites though
im no expert but you need to eat some fat to gain muscle and keep your test levels high. so eggs, steak, milk are a must for you.
if you are worried about the fat get extra-lean ground beef and chicken breasts.[/quote]
yea definitely. i just meant it seemed excessively high lately but i just found out theres chicken breasts and i can get egg whites so it’s still high but its more moderate now.
tribulus: i know your right, thats honestly what i plan on doing now. not anything too complicated…just lots of protein and vegetables, with carbs in my breakfast/around workouts. a little more food on workout days and some HIIT 2-3x a week.
my routine is pretty solid i’d say as far as exercises and set up now…the reps are a little odd and high sets sometimes but i feel pretty good as far as energy most of the time, just worried about progressing but i want to make sure i start getting a lot stronger now. thanks for the post…i know its what everyone’s been saying so thanks to those people in general who werent dicks.
i guess the best way to put this into practice is to make sure i dont use the calipers too much and just make sure i’m adding a reasonable amount of weight each week at this point?
David… tribulas really has given you the best advice.
That future king guy laid out 7 meals and a program for you.
I mean seriously man, you seem to REVEL in not understanding something… do you feel the need to crave attention ???
I mean sooner rather than later people are going to groan when they see a thread by you and just give up responding, as they KNOW you have ZERO use for it and you will LEARN NOTHING from it, other than --------------------------
“I NEED TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS”
I even saw CT tell you EVERYTHING is a lagging body part, 6ft ----150 odd lbs ---- with a load of fat so say 90-100 pounds of muscle on a 6ft frame is nothing short of disgracefull.
I REALLY think you need to TURN OFF your pc or ask the mods to TAKE AWAY your posting abilities before you ruin yourself forever.
But this is probably going to go straight over your head, and 2 seconds later you will be annoying CT or some other poor soul with some other silly question.
[quote]Corkonian wrote:
David… tribulas really has given you the best advice.
That future king guy laid out 7 meals and a program for you.
I mean seriously man, you seem to REVEL in not understanding something… do you feel the need to crave attention ???
I mean sooner rather than later people are going to groan when they see a thread by you and just give up responding, as they KNOW you have ZERO use for it and you will LEARN NOTHING from it, other than --------------------------
“I NEED TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS”
I even saw CT tell you EVERYTHING is a lagging body part, 6ft ----150 odd lbs ---- with a load of fat so say 90-100 pounds of muscle on a 6ft frame is nothing short of disgracefull.
I REALLY think you need to TURN OFF your pc or ask the mods to TAKE AWAY your posting abilities before you ruin yourself forever.
But this is probably going to go straight over your head, and 2 seconds later you will be annoying CT or some other poor soul with some other silly question.
[/quote]
did you see my above post? i wasnt intending on that at all?
and your saying im 150lb. with a load of fat?
Damn harsh thread 
So what do you guys suggest the kid do when he eventually gains too much fat but still isn’t that muscular? I mean he says he’s already at 13% body fat at 155 i think. I doubt he could get up to more than 175-180 without getting over 18% which im sure no one really wants to be at.
Nobody is telling him to get fat here.
If I could order David to do something here…
He’d be on Iron Addict’s “Simple Powerbuilding Routine” because I know he’s seen it by now and because it’s idiot proof. He would also do some GPP/cardio work 2-3 times a week to keep fat gains low/lose bodyfat.
He’d be eating according to the 1/2 Timed Carb diet on IA’s site as well. High protein, moderate fats and carbs timed primarily around workouts and early day.
And he’d freaking chuck his computer into a lake(ok maybe just turn it off). For 6 months.
Hear that David?
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Nobody is telling him to get fat here.
If I could order David to do something here…
He’d be on Iron Addict’s “Simple Powerbuilding Routine” because I know he’s seen it by now and because it’s idiot proof. He would also do some GPP/cardio work 2-3 times a week to keep fat gains low/lose bodyfat.
He’d be eating according to the 1/2 Timed Carb diet on IA’s site as well. High protein, moderate fats and carbs timed primarily around workouts and early day.
And he’d freaking chuck his computer into a lake(ok maybe just turn it off). For 6 months.
Hear that David?
[/quote]
Maybe I misinterpreted some of what was written, it just seems like everyone here is ragging on him to bulk up and ignore the fat gain for now. I know some people said he should bulk to 18% body fat.
Also as far as GPP/cardio and eating whatever that 1/2 timed diet is, wasn’t the original problem that he was doing all this stuff with carb manipulation and already doing cardio and he was gaining fat too fast? I have not personally seen what you are talking about but it just seems like your offering what he says he’s been doing.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Nobody is telling him to get fat here.
If I could order David to do something here…
He’d be on Iron Addict’s “Simple Powerbuilding Routine” because I know he’s seen it by now and because it’s idiot proof. He would also do some GPP/cardio work 2-3 times a week to keep fat gains low/lose bodyfat.
He’d be eating according to the 1/2 Timed Carb diet on IA’s site as well. High protein, moderate fats and carbs timed primarily around workouts and early day.
And he’d freaking chuck his computer into a lake(ok maybe just turn it off). For 6 months.
Hear that David?
[/quote]
i dont think ive seen the routine actually. is this what your talking about www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8050 ?
i wont say anything regarding the progress that can be made because i havent tried it or know people who have. But i will say that looks like very low volume, only moderate intensity and im sure a good number of strength coaches would disagree with it. but if its the general opinion here that it’ll be optimal for me i can give it a shot in a few weeks
There comes a point where you just need to shut the fuck up and train. Been there and done that. As soon as you learn to stuff your face and increase your lift numbers considerably, you will have a muscular body. Stop worrying about getting “fat,” you’re anorexic as it is. Stuff your face, shut the fuck up, and lift hard. Best advice I can give to you at this point. It’s harsh, but a simple reality.
EDIT: Smash your computer to, it seems to be doing more harm then good. Buy some books. Encyclopediia of Modern bodybuilding, Starting Strength…Experiment and see what works for you…the net is doing more harm then good.
Wesley has MANY happy clients under his belt and a lot of big strong lean people have come from his training programs. You can do the same if you so choose.
How fancy do you think your training has to be to get to a 315 lb bench, 405 lb squat and 455 lb dead lift? The answer is NOT VERY. What’s more important to your physique right now than getting your strength up as fast as possible? NOTHING.
That’s my suggestion. I hope you choose it or something similar and hit it hard.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
i wont say anything regarding the progress that can be made because i havent tried it or know people who have. But i will say that looks like very low volume, only moderate intensity and im sure a good number of strength coaches would disagree with it. but if its the general opinion here that it’ll be optimal for me i can give it a shot in a few weeks[/quote]
This is exactly what your fucking problem is.
You wanted advice. You got advice. You think you know more than you do and you decide you dont like the advice.
If you knew what the fuck you were doing, you wouldnt have made this thread. Wes has been getting people large for years using routines very much like the one you are saying wont work. He knows what the fuck hes doing, but your 17 year old ego cant handle the fact that someone might know something more than you and their opinion differs.
Strength coaches disagree? Is that because you read some articles on tnation and you think they would? Newsflash kid, Wes/IA IS a strength coach.
Your problem isnt what youre doing. Its the fact that you sweat about minutia so much that you dont actually do ANYTHING.
Just. Fucking. Train.
Pumped all people are generally saying is this:
- He is overthinking WELL beyond paralysis by anyalysis
2)He NEEDS to URGENTLY turn off his pc and get in the gym
3)He NEEDS to pick ONE singular program STAY on said program for 3 months
4)He NEEDS to starting eating good food and LOTS of it, at 150 odd lbs at 6ft is pretty damn bad if that was all muscle BUT the fact he also says he is fat makes the situation WORSE
5)He REALLY needs to smash his monitor or something
6)He NEEDS to start listening to people and STOP thinking that he will come up with a better plan
7)He NEEDS to STOP asking 1 million questions EVERY day, about things that wont apply to him
8)All he needs to do is
EAT
SLEEP
TRAIN
Summed up pretty good ?
Did i mention he REALLY REALLY needs to turn off his pc ??
I seriously can’t believe this thread is still going. Its like everyone has to keep repeating the same shit thats been said since the first reply and still the same fucking questions are getting asked.
How can you tell by looking at the routine that its moderate intensity? Intensity has nothing to do with the program - its about how much intensity YOU put into the program…do you not get that?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
David1991 wrote:
i wont say anything regarding the progress that can be made because i havent tried it or know people who have. But i will say that looks like very low volume, only moderate intensity and im sure a good number of strength coaches would disagree with it. but if its the general opinion here that it’ll be optimal for me i can give it a shot in a few weeks
This is exactly what your fucking problem is.
You wanted advice. You got advice. You think you know more than you do and you decide you dont like the advice.
If you knew what the fuck you were doing, you wouldnt have made this thread. Wes has been getting people large for years using routines very much like the one you are saying wont work. He knows what the fuck hes doing, but your 17 year old ego cant handle the fact that someone might know something more than you and their opinion differs.
Strength coaches disagree? Is that because you read some articles on tnation and you think they would? Newsflash kid, Wes/IA IS a strength coach.
Your problem isnt what youre doing. Its the fact that you sweat about minutia so much that you dont actually do ANYTHING.
Just. Fucking. Train.[/quote]
what the hell? did you even read what i wrote or are you just looking for shit to rag on me about? all i said was that it seems pretty low volume and moderate intensity. are you saying im wrong? the reason i said moderate intensity is because he specifically says dont go to failure so i just meant your never going completely all out or anything, not that your not working hard. i said i know some strength coaches would disagree (some at this site come to mind), i never said i disagree with it. i ALSO said i would try it and im guessing if my strength goes up i will get some good results
Scott is the routine i posted what you were talking about?
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
There comes a point where you just need to shut the fuck up and train. Been there and done that. As soon as you learn to stuff your face and increase your lift numbers considerably, you will have a muscular body. Stop worrying about getting “fat,” you’re anorexic as it is. Stuff your face, shut the fuck up, and lift hard. Best advice I can give to you at this point. It’s harsh, but a simple reality.
EDIT: Smash your computer to, it seems to be doing more harm then good. Buy some books. Encyclopediia of Modern bodybuilding, Starting Strength…Experiment and see what works for you…the net is doing more harm then good.[/quote]
i agree he’s too obsessive over some details but about just stuffing his face, have you ever heard of skinny-fat people? Chris shugarts mentioned it plenty of times as well…just because he or someone is skinny doesn’t mean they cant have too much fat. if someone is as skinny as 155lb. but still at 13% BF thats definitely not someone who should just stuff his face IMO.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
There comes a point where you just need to shut the fuck up and train. Been there and done that. As soon as you learn to stuff your face and increase your lift numbers considerably, you will have a muscular body. Stop worrying about getting “fat,” you’re anorexic as it is. Stuff your face, shut the fuck up, and lift hard. Best advice I can give to you at this point. It’s harsh, but a simple reality.
EDIT: Smash your computer to, it seems to be doing more harm then good. Buy some books. Encyclopediia of Modern bodybuilding, Starting Strength…Experiment and see what works for you…the net is doing more harm then good.
i agree he’s too obsessive over some details but about just stuffing his face, have you ever heard of skinny-fat people? Chris shugarts mentioned it plenty of times as well…just because he or someone is skinny doesn’t mean they cant have too much fat. if someone is as skinny as 155lb. but still at 13% BF thats definitely not someone who should just stuff his face IMO.[/quote]
Stuffing his face accompanied with hard lifting will provide him with more results in the next 30 days then he has seen in his life. I can guarentee it. Will he do it? It’s up to him.
“Can’t make chicken salad outta chicken shit.”
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
if someone is as skinny as 155lb. but still at 13% BF thats definitely not someone who should just stuff his face IMO.[/quote]
Why the hell not? Where do you think most people started? Do you really think every huge guy walking around refused to gain a pound until they were specifically 10% body fat?
Some of you need to stop reading some of these articles you put so much value in because reality doesn’t work the same as what you seem to be reading. The fact that you even see “13%” as a negative speaks volumes.
It also explains why there are so few people on this site who would actually stand out in a crowded gym.
Lastly, I wouldn’t take advice from people unless they had achieved a significant level themselves. How many people in this thread have actually made enough progress to give this guy advice to begin with?