Look man, I kind of get what your saying, your looking to lose weight while building muscle? Most of that can be done in your diet alone, check some of the articles on here and some of threads and change your diet into a clean one. Get a tub of protein and set up a good 4 or 5 day/week routine and work your ass of every time you in the gym and every meal make sure you eat tons of clean food. It’s not that hard and it will change your body type.
Once again with the d-lineman analogy. I’m a big football fan, I’m well aware of what it takes to ACTUALLY look like a d-lineman. I’m NOT expecting a mirror image result, for the last time.
And the past 10 years, for the most part I’ve worked out 4-5 times a week. And worked out hard, but aside from flat bench of course, all isolation exercises. So I figured I was spinning my wheels, and possibly even overtraining. I was ALWAYS sore. But I never did the big time lifts.
So I thought about stripping it down, and KILLING it 3 days a week with compound exercises and getting plenty of rest.
That is a big change IMO.
Nate112, thanks for a straight up answer dude. I appreciate that.
I think I might switch it around and make it four days a week.
[quote]ytsejam wrote:
Once again with the d-lineman analogy. I’m a big football fan, I’m well aware of what it takes to ACTUALLY look like a d-lineman. I’m NOT expecting a mirror image result, for the last time.
And the past 10 years, for the most part I’ve worked out 4-5 times a week. And worked out hard, but aside from flat bench of course, all isolation exercises. So I figured I was spinning my wheels, and possibly even overtraining. I was ALWAYS sore. But I never did the big time lifts.
So I thought about stripping it down, and KILLING it 3 days a week with compound exercises and getting plenty of rest.
That is a big change IMO.[/quote]
Please shut up and leave before it gets worse.
[quote]ytsejam wrote:
Nate112, thanks for a straight up answer dude. I appreciate that.
I think I might switch it around and make it four days a week. [/quote]
no worries dude ( JUST DON’T TELL THE OTHERS ) You just have to be careful what you say on here when asking for help, T-Nation loves to flame 
X got out everything i was going to say so i just decided to be helpful 
[quote]Nate112 wrote:
ytsejam wrote:
Nate112, thanks for a straight up answer dude. I appreciate that.
I think I might switch it around and make it four days a week.
no worries dude ( JUST DON’T TELL THE OTHERS ) You just have to be careful what you say on here when asking for help, T-Nation loves to flame X got out everything i was going to say so i just decided to be helpful :D[/quote]
Please. Most people expecting to both lose tons of fat WHILE ALSO gaining significant muscle mass will end up running in circles for years with little to show for it. Not only that but this guy doesn’t seem to have ANY of the drive needed to pull that off if he can’t even stand the thought of making this a lifestyle more serious than he is now.
People like you write what you think people WANT to hear.
You have a 300 pound bench and a 200 pound squat/Deadlift? I wanna see your chest vs. your legs. Hot damn.
Why do people jump into this forum to claim they do NOT want to be “bodybuilders”?
Is any…ANY…other forum experiencing that? Are people logging into Combat sports to claim they don’t want to fight?
We need a general fitness sub-forum.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nate112 wrote:
ytsejam wrote:
Nate112, thanks for a straight up answer dude. I appreciate that.
I think I might switch it around and make it four days a week.
no worries dude ( JUST DON’T TELL THE OTHERS ) You just have to be careful what you say on here when asking for help, T-Nation loves to flame X got out everything i was going to say so i just decided to be helpful
Please. Most people expecting to both lose tons of fat WHILE ALSO gaining significant muscle mass will end up running in circles for years with little to show for it. Not only that but this guy doesn’t seem to have ANY of the drive needed to pull that off if he can’t even stand the thought of making this a lifestyle more serious than he is now.
People like you write what you think people WANT to hear. [/quote]
I’m just giving him some basic knowledge to feed off of and try to do, what he does with it is his own problem. But your right. He doesn’t seem to give much of a shit to work hard enough to even achieve minimal results.
ytsejam,
The assumption is that if you are posting here you must recognize there are sub-forums categorized by area of interest. But sometimes reading these threads I wonder if people really “get it”
PX’s original point was you are posting in the Bodybuilding forum, but obviously do not have the goal to be a bodybuilder. Guys like PX use this forum for information, motivation, fellowship, etc. And now they got some guy coming here f**king up the rotation and saying things like, “I don’t really want to be a bodybuilder.” And suggesting that someone like PX is “roided up.” If you hover over the T-Nation Forums bar at the top left of your screen a drop down will appear with all the different sub-forums. When posting, put some thought into where it is the most appropriate. Even though you have been lifting for 10 years, your question is more appropriate in the Beginners forum. That might sting if you have ego issues, but look at it this way…you want answers and you would have gotten a completely different reaction if you posted this in the Beginners forum.
To answer your original question, the answer lies in nutrition. The solution to your problem will be in changes to your diet. Some people go so far as to say body composition is 80% diet and 20% training. Which isn’t to say that you don’t have some programming issues, but it sounds like you have identified the training problems associated with only working the mirror muscles and are taking steps to change that.
My suggestion would be to cut now and shed some of that body fat down to something a little bit closer to comfortable. Continue to lift heavy to maintain muscle mass. Check out Starting Strength, Stronglifts 5x5 or Wendler’s 5-3-1. Don’t expect to gain much strength or muscle mass, your goal will be to preserve as much muscle as possible while you are in a caloric deficit to lose fat.
Based on your example of a typical day’s eats, your diet is waaaaay off. So start studying nutrition. Plenty of good information right here. Read every article you can on nutrition. It will all start making sense soon. Once down to a lower BF% you can begin to transition into a caloric surplus and start gaining strength and quality muscle. Hopefully by this time your programming and understanding of nutrition will be much better and you will be able to clean bulk…gain quality muscle with as few pounds of fat as possible using strategies like carb-cycling.
In the meantime, post your questions in the Beginners forum and you will get good answers to your questions. A lot of knowledgeable people hang out in those forums and answer questions.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
We need a general fitness sub-forum.[/quote]
A sub-fitness general forum instead?
And it seems to be a trend on a lot of forums across hobbies. Everyone wants to get the results with no effort/money/time.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
We need a general fitness sub-forum.[/quote]
We wouldn’t if the beginners posted in the beginner section. I can see a complete newb thinking that oh yeah, I can burn fat and put on a lot of muscle in a few months. But one would think that after five minutes on a site like this that mindset would change…apparently not. And I am a bit baffled that they choose the bodybuilding forum to post in when they immediately state that they don’t want to be anything resembling a bodybuilder. Mods should move them immediately to beginner section and clear up this forum…imo.
[quote]JPCleary wrote:
ytsejam,
The assumption is that if you are posting here you must recognize there are sub-forums categorized by area of interest. But sometimes reading these threads I wonder if people really “get it”
PX’s original point was you are posting in the Bodybuilding forum, but obviously do not have the goal to be a bodybuilder. Guys like PX use this forum for information, motivation, fellowship, etc. And now they got some guy coming here f**king up the rotation and saying things like, “I don’t really want to be a bodybuilder.” And suggesting that someone like PX is “roided up.” If you hover over the T-Nation Forums bar at the top left of your screen a drop down will appear with all the different sub-forums. When posting, put some thought into where it is the most appropriate. Even though you have been lifting for 10 years, your question is more appropriate in the Beginners forum. That might sting if you have ego issues, but look at it this way…you want answers and you would have gotten a completely different reaction if you posted this in the Beginners forum.
To answer your original question, the answer lies in nutrition. The solution to your problem will be in changes to your diet. Some people go so far as to say body composition is 80% diet and 20% training. Which isn’t to say that you don’t have some programming issues, but it sounds like you have identified the training problems associated with only working the mirror muscles and are taking steps to change that.
My suggestion would be to cut now and shed some of that body fat down to something a little bit closer to comfortable. Continue to lift heavy to maintain muscle mass. Check out Starting Strength, Stronglifts 5x5 or Wendler’s 5-3-1. Don’t expect to gain much strength or muscle mass, your goal will be to preserve as much muscle as possible while you are in a caloric deficit to lose fat.
Based on your example of a typical day’s eats, your diet is waaaaay off. So start studying nutrition. Plenty of good information right here. Read every article you can on nutrition. It will all start making sense soon. Once down to a lower BF% you can begin to transition into a caloric surplus and start gaining strength and quality muscle. Hopefully by this time your programming and understanding of nutrition will be much better and you will be able to clean bulk…gain quality muscle with as few pounds of fat as possible using strategies like carb-cycling.
In the meantime, post your questions in the Beginners forum and you will get good answers to your questions. A lot of knowledgeable people hang out in those forums and answer questions.[/quote]
good post
Do more and eat less. Do this while squatting and dead lifting. This shit ain’t complex, it’s simple, very fucking simple.
- Brother
If you want to improve your body composition (gain muscle whilst losing fat), I suggest you look up CT’s “Carb Cycling Codex” and follow his instructions for weight loss. This way you’ll be gaining strength/muscle whilst losing fat. From what I can tell this will go somewhat slower than doing a straight up cut, then building up again, but if you don’t feel comfortable/don’t want to do that, carb cycling is the way to go for slow but steady improvements.
[quote]fireflyz wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
We need a general fitness sub-forum.
We wouldn’t if the beginners posted in the beginner section. I can see a complete newb thinking that oh yeah, I can burn fat and put on a lot of muscle in a few months. But one would think that after five minutes on a site like this that mindset would change…apparently not. And I am a bit baffled that they choose the bodybuilding forum to post in when they immediately state that they don’t want to be anything resembling a bodybuilder. Mods should move them immediately to beginner section and clear up this forum…imo.[/quote]
No one ever, ever wants to admit to a beginner. They always say "well I’ve been lifting for x amount of years so I’m not a beginner.
Yet they admit they made shitty or no gains in that time period. I’m amazed when I see the pictures of dudes lifting 5+ years who look like they’ve been lifting for 3 months. Yet somehow they’re above posting in the beginners section.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
fireflyz wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
We need a general fitness sub-forum.
We wouldn’t if the beginners posted in the beginner section. I can see a complete newb thinking that oh yeah, I can burn fat and put on a lot of muscle in a few months. But one would think that after five minutes on a site like this that mindset would change…apparently not. And I am a bit baffled that they choose the bodybuilding forum to post in when they immediately state that they don’t want to be anything resembling a bodybuilder. Mods should move them immediately to beginner section and clear up this forum…imo.
No one ever, ever wants to admit to a beginner. They always say "well I’ve been lifting for x amount of years so I’m not a beginner.
Yet they admit they made shitty or no gains in that time period. I’m amazed when I see the pictures of dudes lifting 5+ years who look like they’ve been lifting for 3 months. Yet somehow they’re above posting in the beginners section.[/quote]
True…most seem to equate expertise to time rather than progess.
Well with 10 years of training (even though you defintately haven’t reached your potential) your not going to be able to expect to build muscle without adding some weight.
My suggesstion to you; seeing as you have a 38" waste, is to CUT first. Start lifting “RIGHT” (just read the articles), start eating right, and cut down to maybe 215-235. Base things off your waste size, or BF%. If you can get your waste down to 32-34" or BF to 10-15, you’ll then be in a good position to “bulk” back up to 250 and be much leaner and more muscular than your are now.
Your ONLY other alternative in my opinion, would be to bulk to about 275 now, and then cut later, but I wouldn’t recommend this.
But make no mistake, you aren’t going to be able to half ass things and get results. Even if you dont want to be a bodybuilder, you are going to have to accept some of the lifestyle if you want to at least look half way like one. I could be wrong, but you’ve either half-assed it up until now, or just have been training wrong (or a combination of the two). Doing the same will only get you the same results.
So good luck.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why do people jump into this forum to claim they do NOT want to be “bodybuilders”?
Is any…ANY…other forum experiencing that? Are people logging into Combat sports to claim they don’t want to fight?[/quote]
there are plenty of people out ther who want to build muscle, get stronger, interested in hypertrophy, train ther arse off, almost live in the gym, totally committed etc. but who don’t want to be bodybuilders/compete in strength sports… someone suggested a “GENERAL FITNESS” forum, but that is too men’s health for me,certainly not interested in jogging, swimming, circuit class, pilates or any other weird shit that happens in comercial gyms.
perhaps there should be a “serious muscle development for people who don’t want to be bodybuilders” forum but that would be a bit of a mouthful.
lets face it, there are very few genuine bodybuilders on this site, and even fewer that post reguarly.