Genetics Aren't Real

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
I lost my vision to a genetic abnormality[/quote]

I totally forgot your blind, and while this may make me an asshole: LO FUCKING L… so you lost your vision to a genetic abnormality, yet, genetics ‘don’t exist.’

Anyhow, given your post above where you essentially state your willingness to address any genetic predisposition as ‘luck of environmental influence,’ it has become clear the argument can go nowhere. Pzpz
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Haha it was the biggest blessing in my life. Not when I drove my dad around 2 months after a heart attack and couldn’t properly see the lanes because my incompetent eye doctor signed off on my vision test because of a certain technicality that allowed me to seem visually competent when in fact I was seeing 20/200-20/400 depending on the eye. A few weeks later though, under examination by an expert, and I grew up real fast with a proper diagnosis.

It has very little impact on what I could do, and no impact on ho you should see me, pardon the pun. If I managed to end the argument, good. I can sum up where we stand.

You are born as a person who will grow. Whether your physical stature will be in the middle or an outlier is not totally up to you. Many have shown that height is very individually genetic, and I will not attempt to tell anyone to believe in themselves that they will grow. Yes, single physical factors may make some fields impossible. The list of things I will certainly never be is long enough to be disheartening, and as many on here have pointed out, I am and have been misinformed. Or at least purposefully misrepresenting my argument in an attempt to create discussion.

In bodybuilding, on this site, there are people who show 0 desire to lift, or at least portray no persona related to lifting. I don’t care, they post funny shit sometimes. There are also those who ask or state the most ridiculous things, acting as if there is a program that will work. Really, these noobs need to understand that a program is a convenient method over pushing your body, and you will find none of the actual big people here follow any one program because they understand the principles behind effort. (how has nobody asked how I can see yet?) They have templates that serve as useful guiding tools, but as far as subscribing to a workout that a newcomer can walk into and experience results from, it is far more important that we teach a new lifter how to work hard. Saying, and this will seem familiar, “If you have been lifting for x years and you can only curl x amount you should give up” only creates a bitter and disheartened member of our society. I have come across bullies and cliques who refuse to include me in their clan all my life, and I know how to get advice from people when they hate me. I know how to react to negativity and take the time to improve myself because I don’t believe people hate me, but I am special. I refused to accept that PX didn’t like me, but that doesn’t mean he was going to spend time teaching my sorry, skinny, and generally not very accomplished ass. However, I knew I could learn lessons that I could teach other people whom PX, or any other established lifter here, would not.

When those lifters, who for 2 years have failed, it is most likely because they don’t understand the principles behind lifting. 2more, I laughed when I saw your dip picture (he got called out for it) cause it was like, old man we can all tell you just bought a tight spandex shirt, put as much weight on our belt as your could, and had some dude snap a picture of you in a position that could have resulted in a terrible accident. Dude was doing dips with 125 and would have been much better served doing unweighted dips. But the thing is, why shouldn’t we help him? More importantly, how is he doing it wrong?

Because we have a tough time explaining things which come naturally to us. I can’t tell anyone how to gain weight, well I could. My own failures are cause I don’t mind being hungry, and I figure I may not have gained a pound IN FOUR YEARS but I have consistently gotten stronger and more injury proof. I spend time teaching people I know who have hurt themselves how to heal because that is more important to me than me being 180 lbs and dead sexy when I’m at least a little sexy at 160. Can I squat 315? I don’t think so but I stay away from those kind of lifts, on a regular basis at least, because I am actively learning the little things that will help one day and lets be honest, that’s almost twice my weight. But I can tell you when your inner quads are a weak link. I can tell you that you haven’t hit full extension on a shoulder press.

At this point I feel like I just wrote an essay, so there must be a call to action. Big lifters, examine what you do and how you do it. When approached by a lifter who isn’t making progress, don’t assume they understand that the point isn’t to get really really tired but to have as many repetitions at as close to 100% as possible. Anyone is cut out for bodybuilding, but it is our job to tell them that they can. And then challenge ourselves by figuring how we do what we do. Then, all the noobs will leave and come back as far less annoying versions of themsevles, and we can all be friends at a barbecue.

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

My lean weight is 160 at a weight of 160. Also, a certain amount of intelligent guidance, whether internal or eternal, has an impact on success. You should read the biography of jack dempsey if you want an example of dedication and perseverance. Or Seabiscuit, a knock kneed horse who captured the hearts of many.
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If you have 10% body fat then your lean body mass is 144lbs. Congratulations you have the same amount of muscle as the average high school senior.[/quote]

Yeah, and what do you know about lifting? Serious, I just assumed you were a nutcase who liked to argue inane political points and generally show a complete disregard for human dignity. I could be confusing you with Brother Chris.

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/endthread.

please STFU! you’re making canadians look bad…

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
i hate this forum these days. Cya later. [/quote]

awwww boo hoo
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Tell me I don’t deserve some credit for that one.[/quote]

Kanada 1, Marzouk 0

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
i hate this forum these days. Cya later. [/quote]

awwww boo hoo
[/quote]

Tell me I don’t deserve some credit for that one.[/quote]

Kanada 1, Marzouk 0

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I meant thread not forum, looks like i popped back in again, for one last fuck you.

[quote]Kanada wrote:

Haha it was the biggest blessing in my life. Not when I drove my dad around 2 months after a heart attack and couldn’t properly see the lanes because my incompetent eye doctor signed off on my vision test because of a certain technicality that allowed me to seem visually competent when in fact I was seeing 20/200-20/400 depending on the eye. A few weeks later though, under examination by an expert, and I grew up real fast with a proper diagnosis.

It has very little impact on what I could do, and no impact on ho you should see me, pardon the pun. If I managed to end the argument, good. I can sum up where we stand.

You are born as a person who will grow. Whether your physical stature will be in the middle or an outlier is not totally up to you. Many have shown that height is very individually genetic, and I will not attempt to tell anyone to believe in themselves that they will grow. Yes, single physical factors may make some fields impossible. The list of things I will certainly never be is long enough to be disheartening, and as many on here have pointed out, I am and have been misinformed. Or at least purposefully misrepresenting my argument in an attempt to create discussion.

In bodybuilding, on this site, there are people who show 0 desire to lift, or at least portray no persona related to lifting. I don’t care, they post funny shit sometimes. There are also those who ask or state the most ridiculous things, acting as if there is a program that will work. Really, these noobs need to understand that a program is a convenient method over pushing your body, and you will find none of the actual big people here follow any one program because they understand the principles behind effort. (how has nobody asked how I can see yet?) They have templates that serve as useful guiding tools, but as far as subscribing to a workout that a newcomer can walk into and experience results from, it is far more important that we teach a new lifter how to work hard. Saying, and this will seem familiar, “If you have been lifting for x years and you can only curl x amount you should give up” only creates a bitter and disheartened member of our society. I have come across bullies and cliques who refuse to include me in their clan all my life, and I know how to get advice from people when they hate me. I know how to react to negativity and take the time to improve myself because I don’t believe people hate me, but I am special. I refused to accept that PX didn’t like me, but that doesn’t mean he was going to spend time teaching my sorry, skinny, and generally not very accomplished ass. However, I knew I could learn lessons that I could teach other people whom PX, or any other established lifter here, would not.

When those lifters, who for 2 years have failed, it is most likely because they don’t understand the principles behind lifting. 2more, I laughed when I saw your dip picture (he got called out for it) cause it was like, old man we can all tell you just bought a tight spandex shirt, put as much weight on our belt as your could, and had some dude snap a picture of you in a position that could have resulted in a terrible accident. Dude was doing dips with 125 and would have been much better served doing unweighted dips. But the thing is, why shouldn’t we help him? More importantly, how is he doing it wrong?

Because we have a tough time explaining things which come naturally to us. I can’t tell anyone how to gain weight, well I could. My own failures are cause I don’t mind being hungry, and I figure I may not have gained a pound IN FOUR YEARS but I have consistently gotten stronger and more injury proof. I spend time teaching people I know who have hurt themselves how to heal because that is more important to me than me being 180 lbs and dead sexy when I’m at least a little sexy at 160. Can I squat 315? I don’t think so but I stay away from those kind of lifts, on a regular basis at least, because I am actively learning the little things that will help one day and lets be honest, that’s almost twice my weight. But I can tell you when your inner quads are a weak link. I can tell you that you haven’t hit full extension on a shoulder press.

At this point I feel like I just wrote an essay, so there must be a call to action. Big lifters, examine what you do and how you do it. When approached by a lifter who isn’t making progress, don’t assume they understand that the point isn’t to get really really tired but to have as many repetitions at as close to 100% as possible. Anyone is cut out for bodybuilding, but it is our job to tell them that they can. And then challenge ourselves by figuring how we do what we do. Then, all the noobs will leave and come back as far less annoying versions of themsevles, and we can all be friends at a barbecue.[/quote]

Why didn’t you just write this from the get-go and eliminate all this other bullshit that has gone on?

DB

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
i hate this forum these days. Cya later. [/quote]

awwww boo hoo
[/quote]

Tell me I don’t deserve some credit for that one.[/quote]

Kanada 1, Marzouk 0

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I meant thread not forum, looks like i popped back in again, for one last fuck you.
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So your saying you meant to say “you hate this THREAD these days” instead of “you hate this FORUM these days” ??

That makes no sense. Your fucking lying

[quote]Cuban32 wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:
Dorian, by my reckoning, had as much desire as Michael jordan, an appealing frame that he was lucky enough to take advantage of. Some fat kid at summer camp in a few weeks could, with the right mental fortitude, do the same. Then suddenl we’d all say he had “superior” genetics. What a bunch of fucktards who are unable to think about something. Marzouk, you have 0 credibility in this forum and pretend you do. I have 0 credibility and make it very obvious I don’t.

If it were so hard to be a bodybuilder, it wouldn’t be a sport that so many of us love. I don’t care who you are, steroids ruined every pro sport. There is an invisible line you must cross and forever lie about. Hard work is a must, but the ideals of competition, a fair playing field where men and women test themselves against each other with their only benefits being the mechanisms within their body, those days are destroyed. Bodybuilding, I think more than anything, suffers.[/quote]

How about pubertal gyno I had to have removed? Did that have anything to do with my genetic predispositions or if I had the HARDWORK, DESIRE, and FORTITUDE to have a good chest it would have just gone away on its own, or I could have willed my pectoralis major and minor to start growing over the mammary gland? There also a lot of other things on my body that if I had different genetics would probably look different, or can i will myself into better vascularity, forget that i used to be a 275lb blimp with no muscle i can will my skin to get less stretched out and look tighter, I am just not working hard enough. HOLY SHIT! I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!
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Cuban, the above is more than likely resultant from the sex-change hormones you were taking at the time. When you decided you wanted to stay a man, the damage was already done. LOL I can’t resist busting your balls (affectionate, no homo lol). Btw, are you going to stick to one fucking avatar? You look like you see something in your soup…

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
What an idiot…

Genetics have nothing to do with it?

Dorian Yates benched 315lb the first time he ever benched…when he was 16!!! yeah genetics have nothing to do with it,

WHAT A FUCKING BELL END!!![/quote]

There are plenty of gymnasts who have never picked up a bar in their life. Are they strong as fuck? YES. Did they have to pick up a barbell to get like that, FUCK NO. Just because Dorian supposedly benched 315 the first time he ever benched doesnt mean thats the first time he ever used his muscles and just naturally grew into a monster without even getting up off the chair.[/quote]

And they are gymnast precisely because they were genetically disposed to survive the rigors of gymnastic training and not merely survive, but thrive and make progress. [/quote]

Mental fortitude, encouraging/abusive parents, proper diet, long term training, and a willingness to be in pain. nothing genetic about it. The human body does not store fat in response to increasing pressure and muscular stress, its stores fat cause your lazy.[/quote]

Honestly, you’re not too smart if you can’t grasp this. For everyone that “makes” it in a sport, there are millions that wash out. Genetics overwhelmingly.

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

My lean weight is 160 at a weight of 160. Also, a certain amount of intelligent guidance, whether internal or eternal, has an impact on success. You should read the biography of jack dempsey if you want an example of dedication and perseverance. Or Seabiscuit, a knock kneed horse who captured the hearts of many.
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If you have 10% body fat then your lean body mass is 144lbs. Congratulations you have the same amount of muscle as the average high school senior.[/quote]

Yeah, and what do you know about lifting? Serious, I just assumed you were a nutcase who liked to argue inane political points and generally show a complete disregard for human dignity. I could be confusing you with Brother Chris.[/quote]

You are completely and utterly retarded Kanada. If you want proof that genetics have a MASSIVE impact on bodybuilding flex your bicep and look at the gap between your bicep and your elbow. If you have little to no gap assuming you ever develop any actual fucking muscle your arms will be like Sergio Oliva’s and you will NEVER EVER no matter how hard you persevere/train/bitch and moan have a decent biceps peaks.

However, if you have a 1-1.5 inch gap your odds of having a decent peak like Arnold’s (His was around 1.5 I believe) increases, however it is still not guaranteed due to other GENETIC factors. If you even try to say that bicep peak doesn’t play a role in body building or that you can change this gap (you cannot alter muscle belly length) you are totally delusional.

That little experiment was examining muscle belly length, guess what there is something similar FOR EVERY SINGLE MUSCLE ON YOUR BODY. These gaps are a large factor in determining how your muscles look (well, yours if you ever actually build any), the size of these gaps does not change when you build more muscle, they are just there. The calf has some very prominent ones as well.

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

My lean weight is 160 at a weight of 160. Also, a certain amount of intelligent guidance, whether internal or eternal, has an impact on success. You should read the biography of jack dempsey if you want an example of dedication and perseverance. Or Seabiscuit, a knock kneed horse who captured the hearts of many.
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If you have 10% body fat then your lean body mass is 144lbs. Congratulations you have the same amount of muscle as the average high school senior.[/quote]

Yeah, and what do you know about lifting? Serious, I just assumed you were a nutcase who liked to argue inane political points and generally show a complete disregard for human dignity. I could be confusing you with Brother Chris.[/quote]

I know a hell of a lot more about lifting then you do, for the fact that one I am 6’2 225 18% body fat and bench over 300lbs. I haven’t been as small as you since I was 16.

Don’t get pissy with me because the average high schooler is the same size as you having never touched a weight in their life.

And you probably shouldnt say shit about Brother Chris or he may mistake you for his afternoon snack.

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

My lean weight is 160 at a weight of 160. Also, a certain amount of intelligent guidance, whether internal or eternal, has an impact on success. You should read the biography of jack dempsey if you want an example of dedication and perseverance. Or Seabiscuit, a knock kneed horse who captured the hearts of many.
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If you have 10% body fat then your lean body mass is 144lbs. Congratulations you have the same amount of muscle as the average high school senior.[/quote]

Yeah, and what do you know about lifting? Serious, I just assumed you were a nutcase who liked to argue inane political points and generally show a complete disregard for human dignity. I could be confusing you with Brother Chris.[/quote]

I know a hell of a lot more about lifting then you do, for the fact that one I am 6’2 225 18% body fat and bench over 300lbs. I haven’t been as small as you since I was 16.

Don’t get pissy with me because the average high schooler is the same size as you having never touched a weight in their life.

And you probably shouldnt say shit about Brother Chris or he may mistake you for his afternoon snack.[/quote]

Cue “relative strength” argument

[quote]Kanada wrote:
We have the same gene code. Face it, you are an elite specimen, and any failures you face can be attributed to either a lack of hard work or plain unluckiness in life. Bodybuilding, like many other endeavors, requires only time, resources, dedication, and luck. [/quote] Thats bullshit and you know it, you created this thread to ignite the obvious flame war that would follow in response to such a ignorant post.

always look on the bright side of life… <-kanada’s theme song

genetics are wery real, but to understand the impact they have on us is to complex for most or not all of us.
Therefor we shouldnt think to much about everything conserning genetics in a weight-training context.
Good rules to live by is: “Be the best you can be” and “Only compete against yourself”.

Whats important is that most people can grow bigger muscles with resistance training and a eating pattern
that supports musclegrowht. How big or strong they can become is less important. Whats
important is that people becomes stronger, healthyer, leaner, sexyer than they where before they started lifting and are enjoying the prosess.

To the OP:

If you are happy with how you looks, I must say I am happy for you and everyone taken a crap on you because
of that is just being assholes for the sake of being assholes.

[quote]otar wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

My lean weight is 160 at a weight of 160. Also, a certain amount of intelligent guidance, whether internal or eternal, has an impact on success. You should read the biography of jack dempsey if you want an example of dedication and perseverance. Or Seabiscuit, a knock kneed horse who captured the hearts of many.
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If you have 10% body fat then your lean body mass is 144lbs. Congratulations you have the same amount of muscle as the average high school senior.[/quote]

Yeah, and what do you know about lifting? Serious, I just assumed you were a nutcase who liked to argue inane political points and generally show a complete disregard for human dignity. I could be confusing you with Brother Chris.[/quote]

You are completely and utterly retarded Kanada. If you want proof that genetics have a MASSIVE impact on bodybuilding flex your bicep and look at the gap between your bicep and your elbow. If you have little to no gap assuming you ever develop any actual fucking muscle your arms will be like Sergio Oliva’s and you will NEVER EVER no matter how hard you persevere/train/bitch and moan have a decent biceps peaks.

However, if you have a 1-1.5 inch gap your odds of having a decent peak like Arnold’s (His was around 1.5 I believe) increases, however it is still not guaranteed due to other GENETIC factors. If you even try to say that bicep peak doesn’t play a role in body building or that you can change this gap (you cannot alter muscle belly length) you are totally delusional.

That little experiment was examining muscle belly length, guess what there is something similar FOR EVERY SINGLE MUSCLE ON YOUR BODY. These gaps are a large factor in determining how your muscles look (well, yours if you ever actually build any), the size of these gaps does not change when you build more muscle, they are just there. The calf has some very prominent ones as well.
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sweet, I have a pretty big gap. go me. Curls for the girls tomorrow at the gym!

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Kanada wrote:

My lean weight is 160 at a weight of 160. Also, a certain amount of intelligent guidance, whether internal or eternal, has an impact on success. You should read the biography of jack dempsey if you want an example of dedication and perseverance. Or Seabiscuit, a knock kneed horse who captured the hearts of many.
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If you have 10% body fat then your lean body mass is 144lbs. Congratulations you have the same amount of muscle as the average high school senior.[/quote]

Yeah, and what do you know about lifting? Serious, I just assumed you were a nutcase who liked to argue inane political points and generally show a complete disregard for human dignity. I could be confusing you with Brother Chris.[/quote]

I know a hell of a lot more about lifting then you do, for the fact that one I am 6’2 225 18% body fat and bench over 300lbs. I haven’t been as small as you since I was 16.

Don’t get pissy with me because the average high schooler is the same size as you having never touched a weight in their life.

And you probably shouldnt say shit about Brother Chris or he may mistake you for his afternoon snack.[/quote]

Cue “relative strength” argument[/quote]

LOL.

Genetickz.

Hows this for genetics; The highschool i went to had DOZENS of kids that never worked out seriously or played sports and still were bigger, leaner, and i imagine stronger than Kanada. Fuck your genetics or your hard work/desire, cause one of them isnt working well enough for you if you aint bigger than my left leg yet.

And the quip about being one of the best developed guys on this site is hilarious. You’re maybe 2-3% bf less than me TOPS, and you’re still 100 lbs less. And i wouldnt dare call myself one of the best developed on here.

The last one that really got me was when Kanada claimed height has absolutely nothing to do with muscularity. Put 260 pounds on someone who’s 5’8 and see just how much more muscular he looks than me. Get real.