Gender Roles and Social Outcomes

Yes, I know. Remember, I’m from northeastern Queens, NY. :grinning:

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Haha, seriously, I’ve gotten lots of proposals to help fund, and requests to participate in start-ups with this kind of globally collaborative, inter-reliant, community/ecosphere based business models over the past year but I couldn’t participate because I had to deal with my own shit caused by all the constantly shifting laws dictating business activities and I don’t have enough money to fund anything atm lol. That’s the only kind of stuff I’ve been getting lately even a year or 2 before the pandemic.

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Do you have the thick, eccentric New York accent? You’re from New Yaaawwwkkk. Going to a hat dawg stand to buy hat dawwgs.

I have an odd combination of an American, Australian and South African accent.

You mean two mom’s? That’s a HUGE outlier. I’ve only ever known one kid from such a household. Said kid was very, very, very smart. That had nothing to do with upbringing, everything to do with genetics and receiving a good education.

However the kid was also depressed.

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Is that the accent the dudes in Wolf of Wallstreet were reportedly having so much fun with?

I mean households with both a mom and a dad that have the mom running the show with a passive dad.

The only distinguishable thing about my accent is how I pronounce coffee, walk, talk, wrong, dog, etc.

I grew up around so many Chinese and Korean that some yearbooks had three or more pages for the last name Lee. I’m not joking. One of my best friends til this day is Korean with a Taiwan-born dad.

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You know why it’s so hard to track down someone by phone in China? Because every time you Wing, you get the Wong number.

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New Yorkers and people from Boston have the best accents.

It’s interesting as to how diverse the US accent tends to be. Whereas in Australia it’s all… Australian…

Note… This is very crude, don’t watch at work or in front of anyone. I don’t speak this way because I don’t feel as if swearing like a sailor is appropriate, however profanity over here is very casual. Certain words that would never pass as acceptable in casual conversation within America are totally fine here.

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Ooffff this wasn’t my household. My father is very stubborn and for whatever reason always feels the need to have the last word. That’s fine with me, as I’m happy to say “okay, you’re the parent. I’m not going to talk back to you”. Though now at the age of twenty the dynamic is somewhat different.

But my brother was also stubborn, and growing up they’d have horrendous screaming matches. My mom is also passive, and we’d both quickly leave the vicinity whenever they’d start arguing. It’d be over stupid topics too like “I didn’t leave that towel over there” “yes you did” “no I didn’t” “yes you DID!”

I hated it when yelling and screaming erupted in the house. Thankfully this calmed down by the time my brother turned eighteen.

False. Georgia or South Carolina accents are far superior.

Source: am from just south of Boston and lived in the south for years. Refined southern accents beat any North East accent any day of the week

But which accent is more amusing to listen to?

I disagree a bit. Sure cooperation is required for most jobs. But my experience is it is all highly competitive.

I will share an anecdotal experience with my job to explain why I think so. As mentioned I work in an office with about 35 other people. We have 6-7 teams doing different tasks which are very connected.

We struggled with Covid and we had our bonuses cut. Mind you my last bonus was higher than my net salary. And my net salary is above average for our country.

Anyway I am the best in our team. We get appointed a new manager a guy from another team, while I was expected to get promoted. So I am furious and frustrated. The CEO comes with an idea where my workload becomes three times higher and that will perhaps result in my performance and sales. I get even more serious. I call for a meeting with the CEO and the new manager. They are attacking me for lack of discipline and cooperation. I am explaining how dumb the new idea is and I would like a significant rise to do it, because it will effect my results and my bonus. The CEO calls bullshit on my results trying to lie that my results are bad. I call her on the lie and end the meeting. In the weekend I send the dumb bitch a report of the sales within my team showing her how I outpeform the entire team combined with a significant difference. Later I call another meeting with another manager, who is responsible for the work of tree teams. She is aware of my work. I put her an ultimatum that I want things fixed and that I am ready to leave if noting is done.

A month later I was offered a rise and to chose to work under the supervision of the second manager. We get bonuses returned a month later. The CEO sees my bonus and calls me on a meeting with the second manager. They are now aware of my work, because apperantly I am the 4th best performer in the compqny and I am in a new team that the CEO did not expect to perform that well. It was more of an idea when she created the team. She starts asking for ideas and gets interested in my work. I tell her that it is not in my paygrade and she has managers to figure it out. Meanwhile I am asking for another rise. I wanted her to show me all the managers salaries and to propose me a higher salary if she wants me to stay working at all. A week later I am with a new contract and asked to cooperate with the new guy. I kindly reject and sign my contract. I tell her I am not cooperating, however you will see the same or better results, I just want to be left to do my job.

I will go and give a second example. I started coaching the team I was playing for. I was a new guy in the team. Needless to say I was non stop testes by the players. They wanted to show me they are better than me, thus my coaching is useless. Needless to say in every practice game I had to be ruthless and show them I am one of the best in the team and my tactical literacy is higher than anyone. And while we were team mates in games, we were ruthless in practice. It was a dressing room I was not accepted until a 5-0 win at home, where I was goalkeeping, because our GK had pulled anklr strings. I did some nice saves in early game when it was 0-0 and the team captain shouted “come on guys, the coach is diving here in the mud to save our asses”. It was a competition between us that created our team. We are sitting mid table now, from almost last the previous season.

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This isn’t directed at you specifically, and I know you wrote this simply as it applies to future work environments. However such lines now give me a negative feeling. “Men are gonna have to do this/that.” “Men are gonna have to step it up.” Western middle- and upper-class women are likely the most comfortable, educated, protected, objectified, and revered demographic that has ever existed in human history. Men brought us into the modern world with the technology and institutions they developed, gave their lives in wars and dangerous jobs, defended their friends and family (sometimes violently so) but now “we’re gonna have to…”.

What most men need to do is work, provide for and protect their family and friends and be good guys. That’s pretty much it. Relatively few men can and are going to do more than this. That’s it.

What do you think if some guy requested, “women these days are gonna have to…”?

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I can never understand why you don’t see that this is already the case. Women have been sucking it up since the beginning of time, as have men. Everyone has to adapt.

Yes, along with their brethren, Western middle- and upper-class men.

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I’m not sure what you are disagreeing with since I never said things like competition won’t be involved in work in the future. I also don’t get why you would think that females aren’t competitive by nature since you guys have been asserting and acknowledging that, biologically, they compete for the best mating partner.

All I said was the workforce in general will shift to something that’s more collaborative in nature. This doesn’t mean it will turn into a purely egalitarian one because human nature will not allow this to happen and the ultimate goal of any enterprise is profit maximization. Whatever corporate culture that develops is simply a reflection of society. It will still have politics, hierarchies and competition.

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When I said I look at proposals from people, these guys are normally the MOST COMPETITIVE AND DRIVEN ones since they are young and willing to sacrifice lots of stuff to go into self-enterprise. It takes balls of steel to do this where I live nowadays so I’m naturally assuming a shitload of thinking and research were involved in their decisions to do so. They are the ones whom are seeing the coming trends. I am already seeing this trend in the tech sector. If almost all of them have a similar idea of what the trend is going to be like, I’m pretty sure that’s how things will progress in the future.

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Like how they built the Pyramids, the Great Wall, the Parthenon or how any army in history has operated.

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I get what you’re saying. Don’t get me started on the hilarious shit we did in the army even if it was to avoid getting caught doing stilly mundane stuff lol.

But when it comes to corporate culture (which is one of many points I implied in my first post about what I foresee in future business models), what I mean is I think we will gradually shift to flatter organizational structures, which would require employees adopting a more collaborative mindset.

I’ll use this as an example for some of the rationales. Of course, I don’t agree with all of them and even then it would all be specific to different industries and countries at different levels of development in terms of applicability:

Let’s look at this part as an example:

  1. Radically flatten the structure to minimize layers and increase speed Cumbersome management layers are the enemy of speed and agility. Leaders should throw out the old rules about the most effective ratios for spans and layers. In a highly digitally enabled world—where bosses are there to empower and enable their employees, not micromanage them, we see often spans as around 1:30. Even the largest organizations shouldn’t have more than six layers; in truly agile organizations, we often see only three layers.

This would require creating AND facilitating a very tight, collaborative environment with stuff such as clear methods of internal communication and real time distribution of information, with different people with different skillsets leveraging off one another’s with a clear goal in mind so things don’t royally fuck up.

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And I’ll throw whomever misunderstands what I wrote above and wants to disagree with it based on such a misunderstanding a bone. In small companies, IME, men generally excel more than women because women, much peer support, generally have to be micromanaged more while men generally get fucking irritated when you manage them in the same way.

Also, men generally work best when given clear objectives with a specified end goal and left to their own devices. Women generally constantly need validation along the way for a sense of security that they’re progressing in the right direction in line with the objectives which they somehow think are only achieved with a certain fixed protocol, which would drive, for example, someone running a start-up nuts by adding to all the multitasking he/she already has to do. Men generally don’t give a flying fuck about anything else other than fulfilling these objectives with any method they can think of and meeting the end goal. Obviously, in cases like this, even though the quality of work would be the same, it shouldn’t be surprising that more men are placed in management roles.

Good. Go into trades. There will be amass shortage of carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc in the next 10-20 years as the old guard retires and there is only a 50% replacement level. There is already a shortage.

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I thought that why we opened the southern border.
So we could have all of those tradesmen at the same wage those trades made 25 years ago.

Their hands are good for two things: using video game controllers and masturbating. Those who want to get into the trades weren’t thinking about college in the first place.