I suggest you read the book The Boy Crisis by Dr. Warren Farrell for a look at this topic. There is also a ton of content online that deals with the matter of some boys struggling with modern schooling.
Girls with ADHD/autism or other neurodevelopmental disorders will also struggle with modern schooling. I would like an explanation as to why and how contemporary education prioritises women. This is not an argument/concept I’ve come across before
If you could link me some literature that I don’t have to pay for as I’m saving money I’d be very keen to read through it.
I was fine at school despite being autistic and having ADHD because I received intervention from a young age. I hardly studied and spent too much time towards the end (exams… When I should have been studying) either going out or going to gym. At the time, for whatever reason… Going out to bars was fun for me. Now I find it repetitive, mundane and obnoxious.
Statistically speaking, I performed better than the average student… But it was nothing special. My brother got one of the highest scores in the state (like top 1%), but he (no joke) studied about 12 hours per day and turned into an absolute ass during that time as he was burning himself out.
I studied… 30-50 minutes/day, but then 0-15 minutes/day towards the end… pathetic… But I got into my first choice course to study so I can’t complain.
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He’s dumb and lazy. Wrestling comes easy to him, and he only tries hard in things he considers fun. Pretty simple.
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I belatedly thought that could be a possibility.
If he was lazy, be wouldn’t be a top tier wrestler.
I don’t think many understand just how hard it is to train in combat sports. Lazy people do not excel at combat sports, just as lazy people typically won’t be dedicated enough to step on the stage of and win a natural bodybuilding competition
Rather he may be subjective in what he puts effort into. He may also be academically unintelligent, but to call him dumb and lazy right off the bat isn’t fair at all.
Training for a fight sometimes entails training 2 hours twice per day. Sparring isn’t easy.
Get on a boxing bag and start throwing punches while moving around, slipping and feinting. Now try keep that up for thirty minutes, let alone four hours.
Sparring is even harder than that
I’ve done twenty rep squats, high rep deadlifts (with reasonably heavy weight like 160kg x10-12), sprinting, endurance sports like soccer and tennis. Nothing comes close to how hard sports like boxing, Muay Thai and grappling are. Lazy people do not excel in these sports.
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People can be lazy in one area and hard working in another. Wrestling is something one might love doing, which might even make the concept of discipline for it inapplicable. Locking oneself in a room to do hours of math problems whether he wants to or not is a different story.
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How so? Do you not have to be disciplined in order to adhere to a rigorous routine of training 2-4 hours/day 6 days per week? The man is a professional athlete who MIGHT end up being more successful than both of us.
Was Quintin Tarantino lazy? The modern curriculum doesn’t cater towards all learning styles. It’s possible this wrestler isn’t lazy at all, rather he doesn’t learn well in large groups.
You are correct in that some people only focus on what they like doing. Work isn’t about fun, work is a out work. If you like your job, that is a plus. I’d also argue for a career path to be sustainable, to avoid burnout you have to be interested in what you are doing
As to the maths, some people simply can’t do maths. I’ve always been okay with numbers whether I studied or not. My brother on the other hand could study for hours and hours, but I’d still get the same grade as him (or better). It is possible the bloke simply wasn’t good at school, not everyone has an average (or high) IQ. Someone with an IQ of 85-90 is going to struggle in class.
VCE in Australia allows you to pick and choose your subjects. You can pass and be the top 1% or even 0.1% without doing any maths. My brother did well because he selected subjects specifically catering towards his strengths AND he studied hard. Had he selected subjects primarily covering mathematics, he would have faired worse than I did regardless of how much he studied.
Some excel in various avenues/sports. Take English for example, I managed to get through English with an average grade of A to A+ depending on the term, yet I didn’t fully read through all of the books we wrote reports on.
I looked over essay structuring, read synopsis of the books we were going through, read through key points within each story, memorised a few quotes and went from there. I’m not good at all fields in relation to academia, but with English I literally didn’t need to study and I was guaranteed at least a B+. Sometimes life isn’t fair, why could I do literally nothing and do better than the vast majority of the class? Whereas with chemistry I could actually put in the effort and only scrape by with like a C+?
Others could study for hours and hours and they’d struggle to get a C. Other subjects like (ironically) chemistry I struggled with as I found the content boring, difficult to engage with and I find concepts difficult to grasp without adequate visual representation. Visual representation of which was hard to come by when studying molecular concepts. You can’t visibly see what you are learning about. You can call me lazy for being mediocre at chemistry, I’d tell you you’re wrong. I’d tell you the particular form of chemistry I was learning about was simply very difficult for me.
You could call me lazy for hardly studying… I’d tell you… You’re correct, I didn’t put in nearly enough effort during the last year of high school. So from looking at that sole variable I was lazy. I was flat out “winged it” and I’m lucky very lucky that I managed to do well enough to get into biomedicine regardless.
It should be noted, my work ethic has improved since high school. Back then I’d predominantly put in the effort towards the various hobbies I had. Particularly gym… If I wasn’t out at some kids 18th birthday, I was probably in the gym. Not always weights per se, but also stair master, elliptical, cycling, running and rowing. Now I’ll put my effort into whatever it is that I need to do for work.
I’d talk about how much I was studying on here… But I wasn’t studying per se as much as I was procrastinating and putting off studying… Not sure who I was trying to fool as saying something doesn’t make it true.
Have you ever tried wrestling, or any form of grappling?
Grappling doesn’t come easy to anyone. It is an incredibly complex, technical sport that has a fairly steep learning curve relative to striking.
Don’t knock it until you try it. It isn’t for everyone, particularly those who will get angry when they’re inevitably thrown around or pinned down regardless of the context.
However anyone who has tried sparring, rolling etc will tell you “grappling doesn’t just come easy to people”. It takes effort to learn.
This reminds me of all those people who say martial arts are easy. “I’ve been in street fights, I can box/take out a boxer. It’s so easy, anyone can do it”. Okay… Get in the ring with an amateur boxer and try go six minutes with him (two rounds). Street fighting and boxing are two very different paradigms. The endurance required is insane and… Most people cannot comprehend just how hard a trained fighter can hit, most aren’t prepared to get hit that hard once, let alone hundreds of times.
Perhaps I’m wrong, perhaps the kid is just lazy
However I’m not going to jump to a snap conclusion on the basis of his academic performance alone after I’ve been given the fact that he was/is a champion wrestler.
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I don’t think both of these things can be true at the same time.
Agreed, however this factors into the narrative of “perhaps he just isn’t very smart”
But this doesn’t intrinsically mean he is lazy.
You’re a blue belt in BJJ if I recall correctly. You know it isn’t easy to pass BJJ gradings.
The hours you need to put in… Now how easy do you reckon it is to be the champion of Europe… Or the BJJ champ in America for your weight class? Greco Roman wrestling and BJJ share a few similarities, though wrestling has far more of a stand up game and you win by “pinning” your opponent as opposed to going for submissions. Points are also awarded for technical superiority and takedown proficiency. I’m going to be doing some Greco Roman wrestling over the next 3-4 weeks in effort to improve my standup game in BJJ (that most BJJ practitioners lack) and for overall self defence. A bit of a moot point though as I’ll only be training in western boxing/kickboxing overseas.
Is it possible for the feat of “champion of your continent” to come easily to anyone?
To note for anyone curious, a blue belt in BJJ isn’t like getting a blue belt in karate. BJJ has five belts. White, blue, purple, brown and black.
They also have black and red, red/white and red belts… But they aren’t particularly important given you need to train for like four decades + to acquire them.
To go from white belt to a blue belt it takes at least 1.5 years regular, dedicated training. That’s IF you are VERY good and train like six times per week. So being a blue belt in BJJ is somewhat impressive, it’s not something you should just shrug off if someone tells you. A blue belt in BJJ will ragdoll you around and easily kill you in a physical confrontation if you aren’t VERY proficient in striking or proficient in grappling.
This is regardless of weight class. BJJ is interesting in that it teaches you how to use the weight of your opponent against them. They’ve even got open weight BJJ competitions, and in the early days of UFC prior to time caps being introduced BJJ absolutely dominated the scene. Tiny guys would routinely demolish opponents that had 100lbs or more on them. I’ve had purple belt 120lb BJJ girls whip me around like nobody’s business (if starting on the ground that is)… And I can deadlift literally 4x that weight and I’m 55lbs heavier. Doesn’t matter…
BJJ is fantastic for one on one self defence scenarios. All martial arts are relative to an untrained individual, but the technical proficiency of BJJ Serves as a superior means to dole out graded degrees of force. The practitioner might merely hold you in a position where you simply can’t do anything… Or they might put you in a chokehold and kill you. More versatility relative to boxing or Muay Thai (particularly the latter) where the combat is absolutely brutal, designed to cripple.
Yep. Wrestled in HS.
It’s easy to hard at something you enjoy and are good at. It’s tough to work hard at something you don’t enjoy and/or doesn’t come easily. The lazy give up.
Nice, I take it back then. Perhaps I’m wrong.
I wish they had wrestling in Aus for high school and college. We don’t, in college sometimes they’ve got Taekwondo.
To do Greco Roman wrestling you need to sign up to a niche gym that typically costs far more than a typical gym membership. I wonder why it is this way? How come it caught on in America, but not Australia?
Typically cultural variables (barring gun culture) that become commonplace within North America catch on throughout the entirety of the western world. Combat sports are extremely uncommon in Aus.
How common would you say HS wrestling is in America? What percentage of kids (roughly) take it up at some point? Anecdotally I knew at least six kids who were into it at some point. Out of everyone I know in Australia who doesn’t go to my gym where I train predominantly Muay Thai, but also BJJ and occasionally western boxing, only three actively train in any form of combat sport.
It’s very uncommon here, even regularly going to gym isn’t common. I hear so many excuses as to why people don’t want to lift weights, or do any type of exercise
“But I don’t want to change who I am”
“I can’t be bothered to change my routine”
“I eat less than my skinny friends, I’ll always be overweight no matter what I do”.
“I can get started anytime, I’ll start when I have less on my plate”.
I understand not everyone likes exercise and thus not everyone needs to exercise as much as you or I might. At the same time, it’s NOT hard to follow a simple stronglifts 5x5 template for 30-45 minutes 3x/wk. As you get very strong it might take 45-60 minutes if going all out on all sets, but you’re looking at 2 years down the line. When you start you’re looking at 30 mins 3x/wk.
It’s not hard to go for a 20 minute jog 3x/wk, that’s enough to start you off when you aren’t fit yet. Anyone should have time for this. It’s the little steps that count.
Why is it that being sedentary is so accepted? It’s even promoted and encouraged. To a degree I see society shunning fitness with the body positivity movement.
It’s not hard to exercise just a little bit every day. From an aesthetic standpoint, in terms of physical attractiveness and overall daily vigour you’ll be rewarded immensely.
You aren’t changing who you are by exercising. You’re merely adding a new and exciting variable to your lifestyle.
lmao very progressive answers from the progressives here. The boy is not stupid, nor lazy. As I said he reads wrestling and grapling literature for fun and to come up with winning strategies. The boy is not stupid at all. He figured, not his coaches, how to beat people with 1 hand with passive tactic.
He used to be a pretty aggressive wrestler. But the injury forced him to play passive. He lost the final due to points drop on passive play.
If we compare coaching with teaching. The boy is very coachable. He knows how to listen and improve and train. He is worldclass in wrestling for his age. It is the education system that fails him. Because the wrestling education system seems to have made him a world class athlete.
Here is what I see differently between the systems. Wrestling the classes or trainings are boys only, male coaches and educators, training and learning combined with activities, competition and play, discipline is expected because you have a 100 kg coach that doesnt only shout, but can beat the crap out of you. However he has also been a boy and knows is tought how to keep playful and positive training session.
While at school you have mixed classes with girls, female educators that do not bring much respect, learning on the desk and the chair. Discipline is expected but no one can enforce it. The entire set up is boring and the only interesting thing are the girls, who are more of a distracton and actually make boys think of creative ways to show how dumb they can be.
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Wrestling in HS is about as common as a football or basketball team. And it’s been that way for decades. Low cost, minimal infrastructure, good for short guys when most other sports aren’t. You’d likely be surprised how many Americans were on wrestling teams in their youth.
He thinks the sun is a planet.
Then why does he believe the sun is a planet? I don’t think he was told that.
That says something about how a child has been raised.
How about the parents? They defer their responsibility to teachers?
Yet, it put a man on the moon and created nuclear power.
Here’s one link to start. You can also simply type in any search engine “schools feminize boys”.
Approximately one in four households have no dad, and fatherless homes are correlated with various mental and social pathologies. Some other households that have both parents are matriarchal. Then many of the boys in these situations are taught by nearly all or all women for about a dozen years in their formative years. So that’s a feminine flavor to start, aside from how the curricula is structured.
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Oh man, you are dumb. Would you please stop replying to my posts at least. I really have no will to talk to you. Nothing constructive is comming out of your trollish or dumb mind.
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An ex-concert pianist friend once told me that if you’re at the top, you need to work the hardest because you’re competing with a minute percentage of the population at your level that ALSO has the same RARE gifts as you and they aren’t going to see it go to waste when they’re intending to make a career out of them. The fucker realized he wasn’t special compared to his peers when he was made to spend months practicing SCALES for 12 hours a day when he entered a conservatory lol.
I know balls about wrestling, though.
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It’s interesting that this conversation appeared since I recently rewatched Amadeus and thought of all the music diploma grads saying how unrealistic it was when Mozart was composing his music lying on a billiard table instead of sitting at the piano. IT’S NOT ONLY MOTHERFUCKING POSSIBLE, most people with perfect pitch can do it if they ALSO have the talent for composing music. I’ve seen my friend do it several times when he entered the only room without a piano in our school to compose some commissioned pieces where I used to do daily accounting. I mean, Jesus Christ, the movie’s using the plot of some old play which was based on the conspiracy theory that Salieri killed Mozart and people who could never even come close to fathoming the amount of talent Mozart possessed were whining about THAT???
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A young dude who’s real good at a sport but doesn’t have much interest in academic learning and maybe even is a little…dim?
Never heard of that happening before. (Oh wait, half the farmboys in the American Midwest.)
I don’t know that there’s some societal thing to blame here. Some people are dumb. Doesn’t mean they are bad at everything they do (like wrestling) but they can be dumb about most other things besides their favorite hobby. Seen plenty of guys my age know everything there is to know about hunting pheasants or working on trucks but have no other knowledge of anything else, and it was just because they simply didn’t care about anything else.
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I’m not too keen on her proposals for solutions to this purported problem:
Combine cooperative and competitive learning strategies. In classrooms where both boys and girls participate, combine both the cooperative learning strategies that now exist with a more abstract and competitive plan of action, and then allow choice for participation for both sexes. Allow for imaginative play to motivate and create opportunities for expression. Differentiation for learning levels is practiced in classrooms, so why not learning styles?
I gotta tell ya, and you probably know I don’t talk out my ass when it comes to things like these:
Most future jobs which provide at least a middle income salary will require a more cooperative and collaborative mindset. Even in the absence of women, the landscape will gradually develop in this direction because of the advances we’ve had in the tech sector that enable global networking, remote work, inter-reliance etc. Even if COVID hadn’t hit us, the concept of WeWork was pretty sound and showed people’s need for this even while being self-employed but their CEO fucked it all up. If this is natural to women, they will have the advantage. Men will have to adapt accordingly. We’ve had the advantage for centuries because of our physical strength.
You can call it “feminization” or whatever. I call it “reality”. (Not being condescending, just stating this from a pragmatic POV because I’m Chinese LMAO.)
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