I don’t blame you at all. I’ve never been to public school in Queens/NYC, but from those within my family who did I’ve heard insane stories.
I also have my fair share of stories from when I attended school, but the majority relate to when I was 17-18, predominantly the latter age… When I could drive independently, had money and was legally considered an adult.
Not to say all those who attend will eventuate a negative outcome, but the environment certainly primes one with temptation from a very young age.
I wouldn’t get all preachy about it regardless. What you decide to do with vaccines/other decisions regarding individualistic health is your business. I can give my opinion, but aside from that it’s not my place to interject and shove my ideology onto you.
Substantially differs from the average Aussie “you didn’t get vaccinated? You should be LOCKED UP!!! FOREVER!!! How dare you, that’s attempted murder!”
What? Attempted murder? The chance of dying provided you are below 45 is like 0.001%
I have relatives in the medical field who were involved with manufacture of covid-19 vaccines (email me if you’d like to know more). I can guarantee you there is no conspiracy present in terms of the vaccines if that is what some are worried about.
Put it this way, offline, if someone talks to be about covid and it’s vaccine for more than five minutes, I change the topic. I do not want to hear about those two things when I’m out and about. I only got the vaccine for employment.
It’s a sticky situation we have nowadays since people just need to lump anyone with slightly “deviant” thinking into specific groups. I’d clarify if these “anti-vaxxers” are simply just “vaccine hesitant” first. I do not like the public “vilifying” of the latter and vaccine passports will become the norm almost everywhere anyway. IMO there’re a lot of reasons to distrust our current vaccines since (I might be wrong here) this is like the first time in history vaccines for a worldwide pandemic, along with production facilities and distribution channels, were created in about 6 fucking months, and amidst a volatile political climate and major disruptions in everyday life.
But, I mean, if one is a true anti-vaxxer AND feels the fucking need to go online and spread bullshit information because of some personal agenda as opposed to having a proper discussion/debate, then he can go fuck himself.
I did not like the fact that @BrickHead felt the need to announce he’s vaccinated but I almost typed out that I may be getting a booster shot soon after writing this post defending vaccine hesitant people.
I work in the UK in construction. I pay plumbers. Agency plumbers get £200. Gas safe maybe £250. A junior Dr - £350/400. A GP £800/£1100. Architect £500/day. Lawyer normally salaried at £45k.
These are fairly easy to verify on UK based jobs boards. I think what you have done is looked at a VERY fortunate plumber who has had a great year and compared it to low level first year professional. I guess the best way to look at this is the 2 doctors I know live in massive detached houses in the country side with drive ways and land. The architects / designers not all of them but, the top guys do as well. I do not know any lawyers any more. But when I did he drove a £70k car.
I know about 30 plumbers. One of them had to go the charity shop to buy his kids school uniform.
The rest of your post is equally poor quality.
Boys do struggle at school. BUT whilst 90% of primary school teachers are female, 90% of heads are male. It is VERY common to have a school with an all female staff with a male head.
In secondary school the numbers are a bit better. But not much. 90% of school still have a male head. So the female role model is wrong. Boy and girls are taught that men naturally lead women. Which is wrong.
The education system is also geared to favour boys in that boys do better in test conditions that girls. Where are girls do better with course work. Can you name me a country with no test only course work? I can name you lots with no course work only tests.
I were to present you with a list of jobs that, when done by a man the man in more likely to divorce his wife, would you support men not doing those jobs?
As a starter: CEO. Perhaps the issue is the fact the the job attracts a certain type of person. Correlation not causation.
I kinda just wrote the first statement you replied to off. It made no sense. I cannot fathom a reality in which a plumber earns more than lawyers and doctors. I dunno, maybe he’s talking about people who own plumbing businesses or at management level in bigger plumbing along with other services kind of companies? Over here, we just hire foreign labour from the 3rd World if not enough people want to do such jobs and pay them around 1K USD per month, with a quota on the amount of foreign employees that can be employed in each business in proportion to locals. My friend owns an aircon repair business and makes pretty good money sitting on his ass while his workers are paid peanuts lol.
The reason we were able to synthesise, manufacture and distribute vaccines at record pace was due to
technological advancements
exponentially more funding funelled in relative to prior diseases. Like WAAAAAAAAYYYYY More funding. We also, for the most part conducted rodent/animal trials at the at the same time as we did human trials, this is uncommon… Only granted when serious urgency is apparent.
Covid may not be particularly lethal, but it is extremely infectious. Hospitals fill up quickly, leading to elective procedures being delayed, ICU’s getting filled up so heart attack patients can’t be treated, diagnostic procedures (MRI, colonoscopy) etc being unavailable.
THAT was the reason for the rush. Akin to the influenza vaccine, covid vaccines don’t generate full on immunity, rather the antibodies you produce in response to vaccination generate a degree of resistance against infection and if you are infected (even with only one dose) the immune response elicited isn’t anywhere close to the magnitude it otherwise would be.
Clinical trials (phase I,II,III) and independent postmarketing reports give us a very clear depiction on the risk/benefit assessment. “But what about long term effects?”
Barring rare SAE’s, what vaccines elicit long term effects in part due to the vaccines themselves?
Don’t come to Australia. People are still absolutely paralysed in fear over covid. Tell them you’ve actually had covid
“WHAT! Are you dead? If you didn’t die, surely you were hospitalized! He had covid last month? Pffft, he better not come close to me if he isn’t in a Hazmat suit!”
Common response to me telling people in leaving in a month, that for the time-being I don’t want to stay in a country gripped by fear
“Good, we don’t want your pro covid bullshit! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, asshole!”
The population over here has been systemically radicalised/indoctrinated.
That is all I will say, back to the initial topic.
The average person doesn’t think about all this. I wouldn’t if I wasn’t stuck working from home and having a lot more time on my hands. AZ was a modified version of a potential MERS vaccine so technically it’s been “development” for almost a decade. How many people know this lol?
A plumber in Australia earns a lot of money. They can basically charge a premium, and people will pay it when their drains are all clogged up, and its an emergency. Most white collar people don’t want to get their hands dirty, and don’t have the tools or experience to do it.
Same for electricians over here.
Last 3 or so decades there has been an educational push for university degrees, and the trades have been comparatively neglected. This led to a shortage tradesmen, therefore they command high prices.
Depends upon the doctor or lawyer. A plumber could earn as much as the average general practitioner, or solicitor. They would not earn anywhere near as much as a specialist doctor, or surgeon, nor would they earn the same amount as a top defense barrister, or a corporate lawyer.
You mentioned earlier, big money in the guys that manage the hiring and contracts for big jobs. They can make a mint. My sister in laws, sister’s husband did this until recently, when he sold his business and retired at around 55. Dude’s worth 10’s of millions.
I’m a construction professional. I mix with other professionals. We talk money.
I also know who much trades earn. Top flight / run 8 man and van gangs trade companies make good £££. But at this point you are not a trades person. You are a business owner.
We just gave the finger to the EU for this.
As an FYI my views in totally.
Women are free to be what they want. I love that my wife has out earned me and 90% of the men I know. I love that she commands respect in he chosen field and that she is my equal.
Equal in all things. Home and work. I do not look to her to solve house issues like cleaning the floor. If the house is dirty I will clean it. She does not need me riding in on a horse to sweep her off her feet every time she faces a bit of adversity.
Like wise it kills me that assuming that 50% of the world most brilliant people have to this day been women - but we have only really just allowed them to participate in science to a high level. So then we have missed out on maybe 50% of our best minds. The advancements of the last 700 years since the renaissance could have been completed in 350. And that we could be sat here with a cure for cancer already.
But we are not as we want women to play home maker.
Of course they do. If one goes into self-enterprise and manages people while acquiring contracts for jobs, they’re not plumbers even if they went to trade school for this.
A doctor can also own a chain of clinics. I know a guy whose father does in Australia and I’m pretty sure he’s worth a lot more. But if he’s not actually practicing, his vocation isn’t a “doctor”.
You do have a point for UK. But keep in mind prior to Brexit you had lots of emigrants from Europe - Poland and etc that decreased the pay for easier access jobs such as plumbing. However if you go to Poland you will see lack of plumbers, thus local plumbers making way more than the local doctors. So it depends on the country. Where I come from mechanics, plumbers, electricians are not easy to find. I always have to tip, so I can get an appointment with my car mechanic for example. And that is for every trades service.
My mechanic drives a Harley and a Audi A8 2018… he lives in a cheap apartment in my neibourhood.
I do not understand what heads in schools have to do in the conversation? Students rarely communicate with school directors. I disagree that boys and girls are tough that men lead. Your example with heads being man and thus boys and girls are though that is extremely over blown. Boys and girls at this age do not care.
I am not aware of the course work vs tests. My point was that boys should study in completely different environment and preferably not mixed with girls. Boys need exercise, competition and practical work to be their best. They do not need whole day seated studying which is completely boring for boys.
I think that can be said for everyone, we all need a range of learning experiences.
I think carls point about leadership is that social modelling/learning plays a role. If all you see is male leadership than that gets engrained at some level.
Also the point about female intelligence being lower somehow is ridiculous.
I couldn’t imagine being able to keep up with Margaret Hamilton or Emmy Noether in a conversation, and I studied applied physics. Noether was respected by Einstein, I’m a intellectual minnow in that company.
I would never discourage it for either sex. However the divorce occurs more often when the woman is promoted to CEO.
Women who out earn their men by a certain number are more likely to divorce too, not just CEO’s. Of course this doesn’t mean it happens for all, and as someone wrote in this thread, different dynamics work for different marriages.
I am simply pointing out certain occurrences, not advising anyone. I wouldn’t tell a man to not go for a higher earning woman. But if he wants to consider some trends, fine.
Just how in the “Women in Power” thread, people said, “it’s a human thing”, and you said the high divorce rate in CEO’s is likely due to a certain person generally, I believe these are said to have oneself or others not distinguishing inherent male and female nature and behavior. If that’s not the case with you or it is, fine. But that’s my hunch on why people say, “it’s a human thing.”
I’m just putting this out there. I’m not here to beef with people, and I think you’re a nice guy. I’m just conversing on a topic.
He was referring to various professions, not only CEO
Let’s say a woman getting promoted to CEO is correlated with double the risk of divorce. Now let’s specify another job (for men) entails the same risk.
Would you discouraged a man from taking said job
At least that is how I interpreted his question
To which you’ve responded “I wouldn’t discourage it for either sex”. Though it is a statistic (if true, and the correlation is causative) that couples ought to be aware of.
In various circumstances the causative variable might be associated with individualstic personality traits. Wall Street has a disproportionately high rate of psychopaths, if I were to say “the marriages of women, or men working high up in corporate are more likely to eventuate in divorce” perhaps it has nothing to do with sex.
Within civilised society, we repress primal urges. Traditional gender roles are even being skewed in part due to wokism and technological advancements. Primal, biological hardwiring will show from time to time… But I don’t think it’s the sole variable to look at when referring to professions, relationships and marriage outcome.
It’s probably a middle ground. Related to human nature and personality traits.