[quote]Professor X wrote:
When someone just casually asks you how much you bench, which is almost daily for me so I assume the same of others, what do you all tell them? Do you give them some number that matches the day you used gear or your raw number?[/quote]
I use your numbers (raw), and then I tell them to go eat a f*cking cheeseburger (rare).
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
superscience wrote:
The thing that annoys me most about it is, when somone tells me their lifts you alway have to ask their raw numbers.
Like somone will say i squatted 500, i think inside “no what can you really lift.”
Of all the posts on here, yours is the least credible.
You basically are a detractor of eveybody on here except yourself, and quite frankly, I cannot even figure out what you are/do. Not that I have spent much time on it because frankly I am disinterested.
As far as I am concerned, keep it to yourself, pal.[/quote]
My opinions on geared lifting causes a lot of conflict because of my strong opinion against it.
I see no reasoning for it in the sport.
All it does is;
.Bring up arguments between raw vs gear
.Causes more danger to the lifter
.Creates a fairy tail sport
.It takes all the limelight away from raw lifting
.Its also a money making scam
So if you don’t like my strong opinions against it, don’t read my post on this topic.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
superscience wrote:
The thing that annoys me most about it is, when somone tells me their lifts you alway have to ask their raw numbers.
Like somone will say i squatted 500, i think inside “no what can you really lift.”
Then you should say that.
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Naw i hold this ignorant thought in and ask their raw numbers.
GREAT RESPONSE!!! I am going to use that one from now on if you dont mind.
Funny that you say that because I compete as a 198# and SQ approx. 650, BN 410 and DL 620, but I almost always get beat by benchers, on the Awards platform, after getting my 1st place trophy/medal, I always say to #2 and #3 " great bench", they always say “thanks”, but they just don’t get what I mean.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Professor X wrote:
When someone just casually asks you how much you bench, which is almost daily for me so I assume the same of others, what do you all tell them? Do you give them some number that matches the day you used gear or your raw number?
I tell them that the bench is just the rest between the squat and the deadlift and that benchers aren’t powerlifters, anyway.
Then I walk away.[/quote]
I like to take pictures of my penis off the reflection of a circus mirror, that makes it look huge, then I send them to my girlfriends.
They always say " that’s not your penis" and I always tell them that it is, they are just use to looking at it RAW.
[quote]superscience wrote:
I see no reasoning for it in the sport.
All it does is;
.Bring up arguments between raw vs gear
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Right, because no other sports have anything that starts arguments. Have you ever watched PTI or Around the Horn?
Yes, it does. If you want safe, sit on your couch.
What? All sports are played under a manufactured reality, ie the rules. Those rules were agreed upon a long time ago; is the forward pass a fallacy because the ball wasnt run forward, like in ye olden tymes? And you mean “tale”
First of all, the New England Record Breakers meet had some of the biggest names in PL - donnie thomson and brian siders, to name two - so your argument doesnt hold water. Secondly, even if it DID take away from raw lifting, your argument is circular: gear is bad because it takes away from raw. why is it bad to take away from raw? because it puts the focus on geared lifting. Why is it bad to do that? because it puts the focus geared lifting. that’s bad because it takes the focus away from raw lifting. thats bad because it…
it certainly makes money, but seeing as how it does what it says it will do, I fail to see how it’s a scam
[quote]moonjumper wrote:
GREAT RESPONSE!!! I am going to use that one from now on if you dont mind.
Funny that you say that because I compete as a 198# and SQ approx. 650, BN 410 and DL 620, but I almost always get beat by benchers, on the Awards platform, after getting my 1st place trophy/medal, I always say to #2 and #3 " great bench", they always say “thanks”, but they just don’t get what I mean.
apwsearch wrote:
Professor X wrote:
When someone just casually asks you how much you bench, which is almost daily for me so I assume the same of others, what do you all tell them? Do you give them some number that matches the day you used gear or your raw number?
I tell them that the bench is just the rest between the squat and the deadlift and that benchers aren’t powerlifters, anyway.
Then I walk away.
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guess you better compete raw then, so that you dont have anything to blame on anyone
Actually NO. I compete USAPL, the drug tested federation with the least ammt. of restrictive gear. I just found out about 100% raw, so I will start with them.
The biggest problem is that there are virtually NO raw meets and I love competetion, so what should I do? USAPL, or no meets and then tell people what I think that I can lift?
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
moonjumper wrote:
GREAT RESPONSE!!! I am going to use that one from now on if you dont mind.
Funny that you say that because I compete as a 198# and SQ approx. 650, BN 410 and DL 620, but I almost always get beat by benchers, on the Awards platform, after getting my 1st place trophy/medal, I always say to #2 and #3 " great bench", they always say “thanks”, but they just don’t get what I mean.
apwsearch wrote:
Professor X wrote:
When someone just casually asks you how much you bench, which is almost daily for me so I assume the same of others, what do you all tell them? Do you give them some number that matches the day you used gear or your raw number?
I tell them that the bench is just the rest between the squat and the deadlift and that benchers aren’t powerlifters, anyway.
Then I walk away.
guess you better compete raw then, so that you dont have anything to blame on anyone[/quote]
[quote]moonjumper wrote:
Actually NO. I compete USAPL, the drug tested federation with the least ammt. of restrictive gear. I just found out about 100% raw, so I will start with them.
The biggest problem is that there are virtually NO raw meets and I love competetion, so what should I do? USAPL, or no meets and then tell people what I think that I can lift?
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im not sure what you said “actually no” in reference to, since I said you ought to compete raw, and you said you were going to. What should you do? Well, that depends on whether you’re competing with yourself or others. If you’re competing against yourself, then do the meets raw, not single-ply, or loose, or non-restrictive or what-the-hell-ever, just raw. If you’d like to compete with others and there are no meets in your area, perhaps you could contact 100% raw about them having you promote one? If there’s not enough interest, well, I guess you see why there are no meets around you. If there is enough interest, great, it’ll probably be a good experience.
[quote]superscience wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
superscience wrote:
The thing that annoys me most about it is, when somone tells me their lifts you alway have to ask their raw numbers.
Like somone will say i squatted 500, i think inside “no what can you really lift.”
Of all the posts on here, yours is the least credible.
You basically are a detractor of eveybody on here except yourself, and quite frankly, I cannot even figure out what you are/do. Not that I have spent much time on it because frankly I am disinterested.
As far as I am concerned, keep it to yourself, pal.
My opinions on geared lifting causes a lot of conflict because of my strong opinion against it.
I see no reasoning for it in the sport.
All it does is;
.Bring up arguments between raw vs gear
.Causes more danger to the lifter
.Creates a fairy tail sport
.It takes all the limelight away from raw lifting
.Its also a money making scam
So if you don’t like my strong opinions against it, don’t read my post on this topic.
[/quote]
No, people like you bring up the arguments.
In what way does it cause more danger. Please elaborate? I am assuming you are basing your strong opinions on your vast knowledge and experience in the sport. Tell me one experience you have had, personally, not that you heard about or saw on the internet. Just one will suffice.
Fairy tail sport. That’s funny. Do you compete in anything of just come on here and bash everyone else? If anybody is living in a Fairy Tail, it is you. Coming on here with your shitty little opinions and providing no information on what you are striving towards that makes you so superior to everybody else.
Powerlifting is not very glamorous. RAW represents a very small minority. Anybody getting into this sport to be in the limelight will be disillusioned long before the realities of gear set in.
Scam? What, like a pyramid scheme? You obviously are not a business owner, because you are not even demonstrating a fundamental knowledge of the dynamics. Advances in gear are market driven, not the other way around. You sound like you are 17 years old. I will almost guarantee you are under 20.
For the most part I do ignore your crap but will state that to come on here bashing PL’s and BB’s, and holding Olympic lifters up as the Gold Standard, in my world, you better be one hell of an accomplished OL or have even a basic level of experience i nall three disciplines to bring an informed opinion.
Otherwise you are just a weenie hiding behind his monitor who needs an enema.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
For the most part I do ignore your crap but will state that to come on here bashing PL’s and BB’s, and holding Olympic lifters up as the Gold Standard, in my world, you better be one hell of an accomplished OL or have even a basic level of experience i nall three disciplines to bring an informed opinion.
Otherwise you are just a weenie hiding behind his monitor who needs an enema. [/quote]
even the OL arent immune. this is the same guy who said Rezazadeh should lose some weight and then he’d be even better.
So I think the take away from all this is:
If all you care about is lifting big weights- get strong, get good gear, learn how to use it, and have fun.
If you have enjoy competition or just dig the validation of your efforts on a public platform, learn to put up your lifts under the rules of a fed that allows you to wear the gear you want to wear.
If you are pained by the guilt of having performed your lifts under the fraudulent ruse of gear and wish to redeem yourself, give you suits and shirts to some kid who can’t afford good lifting gear. Then go feel good with your little honest lifts.
If you still feel like a fake, call that poor kid up and give him your belt and wraps. There, now you’re just like Kaz or Paul Anderson or whoever- except not as strong.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
For the most part I do ignore your crap but will state that to come on here bashing PL’s and BB’s, and holding Olympic lifters up as the Gold Standard, in my world, you better be one hell of an accomplished OL or have even a basic level of experience i nall three disciplines to bring an informed opinion.
Otherwise you are just a weenie hiding behind his monitor who needs an enema.
even the OL arent immune. this is the same guy who said Rezazadeh should lose some weight and then he’d be even better.[/quote]
What a shock.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
When someone just casually asks you how much you bench, which is almost daily for me so I assume the same of others, what do you all tell them? Do you give them some number that matches the day you used gear or your raw number?[/quote]
ProfX,
I have gotten asked this question so many times over the 20-plus years my old ass has been serious about weight training, I’ve lost count.
When I was a competitive powerlifter (mid 80’s to mid 90’s) I would give them my meet numbers. The gear back then was no where as supportive as it is now. I think that it added about 50 lbs. my squat on average and about 20-30 lbs. at most on my bench. I deadlifted in a wrestling singlet, so there was zero carryover there.
Now, when I get this question from people, my response is “Whatever I put on the bar that day.” Sure it pisses some people off, but as I get older, I really don’t know from day to day what I can do. Besides, it’s fun every now and then to be a dick. LOL!
Here is what I would like to see geared lifting consist of:
Belt - This is just pretty standard. It does seem to help with injury, and you’d get hardly anyone lifting in a fed with these disallowed. Moreover, the standard deviation in carryover is extremely small.
Squat suit - Allowed, but limited to something along the lines of a Z, champion, or supersuit. Enough to provide support for injured lifters or to let you squat a little wider. Yet not enough to allow significant carryover difference for people (less than 50lbs for everybody).
Bench shirt - Allowed, but limited to something along the lines of a stretchy back blast shirt. The original blast shirts gave all the benefits except the carryover - protection, support, allowed banged up lifters to still compete, etc. - but no one got any significant or widely different carryover from it. Biggest drawback is that they were hell to put on. Giving them a stretchy back would help immensely with this.
Knee wraps - Again, something a lot of lifters will not compete without. Either limit to 2.0m for all lifters or only allow lifters in the 220 class and above to use the 2.5m.
Wrist wraps - These provide about zero direct carryover, but they make a lot of lifters more comfortable.
Forklift - Just kidding.
This list of gear would provide all of the benefits that gear honestly gives while minimizing as much as possible the issues we have with carryover. If everybody gets 50lbs from a squat suit and knee wraps, it is clear what a lifter would do raw, but they get the benefit of the gear to display this strength. The strongest guy would still win the meet and there would be world peace.
What gave me ideas for this was watching old school (70’s and 80’s) powerlifting. They had gear, yes, but it was very obvious who the strong bastards were.
APWSEARCH, that was one of the best non- verbal or physical thrashings I have ever seen. You are 100% correct and I am glad to see that intelligent people come to this site.
Thanks for the “quality Control” Jon
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
superscience wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
superscience wrote:
The thing that annoys me most about it is, when somone tells me their lifts you alway have to ask their raw numbers.
Like somone will say i squatted 500, i think inside “no what can you really lift.”
Of all the posts on here, yours is the least credible.
You basically are a detractor of eveybody on here except yourself, and quite frankly, I cannot even figure out what you are/do. Not that I have spent much time on it because frankly I am disinterested.
As far as I am concerned, keep it to yourself, pal.
My opinions on geared lifting causes a lot of conflict because of my strong opinion against it.
I see no reasoning for it in the sport.
All it does is;
.Bring up arguments between raw vs gear
.Causes more danger to the lifter
.Creates a fairy tail sport
.It takes all the limelight away from raw lifting
.Its also a money making scam
So if you don’t like my strong opinions against it, don’t read my post on this topic.
No, people like you bring up the arguments.
In what way does it cause more danger. Please elaborate? I am assuming you are basing your strong opinions on your vast knowledge and experience in the sport. Tell me one experience you have had, personally, not that you heard about or saw on the internet. Just one will suffice.
Fairy tail sport. That’s funny. Do you compete in anything of just come on here and bash everyone else? If anybody is living in a Fairy Tail, it is you. Coming on here with your shitty little opinions and providing no information on what you are striving towards that makes you so superior to everybody else.
Powerlifting is not very glamorous. RAW represents a very small minority. Anybody getting into this sport to be in the limelight will be disillusioned long before the realities of gear set in.
Scam? What, like a pyramid scheme? You obviously are not a business owner, because you are not even demonstrating a fundamental knowledge of the dynamics. Advances in gear are market driven, not the other way around. You sound like you are 17 years old. I will almost guarantee you are under 20.
For the most part I do ignore your crap but will state that to come on here bashing PL’s and BB’s, and holding Olympic lifters up as the Gold Standard, in my world, you better be one hell of an accomplished OL or have even a basic level of experience i nall three disciplines to bring an informed opinion.
Otherwise you are just a weenie hiding behind his monitor who needs an enema. [/quote]
You are so correct. hallaluah brother, one problem, if you saw the new RageX or Viking single ply bench shirts you would laugh.
Here’s my idea: You must perform a full range motion with you gear on before lifting in it. for ex, squat full depth with no weight or help before squatting with weight, bench just the bar to chest before benching in shirt, get it?
[quote]RickJames wrote:
Here is what I would like to see geared lifting consist of:
Belt - This is just pretty standard. It does seem to help with injury, and you’d get hardly anyone lifting in a fed with these disallowed. Moreover, the standard deviation in carryover is extremely small.
Squat suit - Allowed, but limited to something along the lines of a Z, champion, or supersuit. Enough to provide support for injured lifters or to let you squat a little wider. Yet not enough to allow significant carryover difference for people (less than 50lbs for everybody).
Bench shirt - Allowed, but limited to something along the lines of a stretchy back blast shirt. The original blast shirts gave all the benefits except the carryover - protection, support, allowed banged up lifters to still compete, etc. - but no one got any significant or widely different carryover from it. Biggest drawback is that they were hell to put on. Giving them a stretchy back would help immensely with this.
Knee wraps - Again, something a lot of lifters will not compete without. Either limit to 2.0m for all lifters or only allow lifters in the 220 class and above to use the 2.5m.
Wrist wraps - These provide about zero direct carryover, but they make a lot of lifters more comfortable.
Forklift - Just kidding.
This list of gear would provide all of the benefits that gear honestly gives while minimizing as much as possible the issues we have with carryover. If everybody gets 50lbs from a squat suit and knee wraps, it is clear what a lifter would do raw, but they get the benefit of the gear to display this strength. The strongest guy would still win the meet and there would be world peace.
What gave me ideas for this was watching old school (70’s and 80’s) powerlifting. They had gear, yes, but it was very obvious who the strong bastards were.
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[quote]moonjumper wrote:
You are so correct. hallaluah brother, one problem, if you saw the new RageX or Viking single ply bench shirts you would laugh.
[/quote]
I have used the RageX and Titan F6 in training, so I know what is out there. I had to fight to get 500 down to my chest in the F6. If there were a way of limiting the material and cut to what the original blast shirt was, that is what I would be supporting.
[quote]RickJames wrote:
Here is what I would like to see geared lifting consist of:
Belt - This is just pretty standard. It does seem to help with injury, and you’d get hardly anyone lifting in a fed with these disallowed. Moreover, the standard deviation in carryover is extremely small.
Squat suit - Allowed, but limited to something along the lines of a Z, champion, or supersuit. Enough to provide support for injured lifters or to let you squat a little wider. Yet not enough to allow significant carryover difference for people (less than 50lbs for everybody).
Bench shirt - Allowed, but limited to something along the lines of a stretchy back blast shirt. The original blast shirts gave all the benefits except the carryover - protection, support, allowed banged up lifters to still compete, etc. - but no one got any significant or widely different carryover from it. Biggest drawback is that they were hell to put on. Giving them a stretchy back would help immensely with this.
Knee wraps - Again, something a lot of lifters will not compete without. Either limit to 2.0m for all lifters or only allow lifters in the 220 class and above to use the 2.5m.
Wrist wraps - These provide about zero direct carryover, but they make a lot of lifters more comfortable.
Forklift - Just kidding.
This list of gear would provide all of the benefits that gear honestly gives while minimizing as much as possible the issues we have with carryover. If everybody gets 50lbs from a squat suit and knee wraps, it is clear what a lifter would do raw, but they get the benefit of the gear to display this strength. The strongest guy would still win the meet and there would be world peace.
What gave me ideas for this was watching old school (70’s and 80’s) powerlifting. They had gear, yes, but it was very obvious who the strong bastards were.
[/quote]
That’s how gear started out… and look where it is now. No matter how many times you go back to the original it will always revert to where we are now because people are obssessed with pushing themselves as far as possible and doing whatever it takes. Just look at modern BB too.
I, for one, think it’s great. And I’m deadly serious.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
That’s how gear started out… and look where it is now. No matter how many times you go back to the original it will always revert to where we are now because people are obssessed with pushing themselves as far as possible and doing whatever it takes. Just look at modern BB too.
I, for one, think it’s great. And I’m deadly serious.[/quote]
That’s not completely true. Gear evolved over time. There was a belt before a squat suit, a suit before a bench shirt, single ply before double, etc. Rules were written for the sport at times when gear in the future was not taken into consideration. Refining those rules to deal with modern technology is a possibility. There are some feds with the power to make these changes and have them actually be effective.