Gay bashing on these forums

"Does your “straight bashing” make sense? especially in light of the fact that you are attacking others for allegedly gay bashing? Are we now to think that you are an “ignorant asshole”? To use your own words. Or, are you merely venting in a place where you know it is safe to do so? "

First off, ZEB, I’m not straight bashing - I’m tallking to those who engage in homophobic speech around here (or as you so cleverly put it, homorepugnant speech). I’m not categorizing them according to their sexual orientation then making judgements - that’s what I’m railing against. Am I “venting” in a place this is safe? What does that mean? I will vent these views anywhere, to anyone, and in person. Homphobia makes me sick, sad, and angry.

OMG

I’m on the side of Rummy and BenTyson (good post).

I think you need to calm down with the whole gay bashing hysteria that you are creating. I have been on these forums for three months now and have yet to really see a “nasty” attack on gay people. There is a lot of kidding around and jokes made and that is about it. If that hurts your feelings, I gotta be honest, I don’t really care. I have alot of gay clients and kid around with them about the same stuff that is discussed on this forum. To you it is offensive, to them it is just a joke. I think you need to settle down and stop having such a hissyfit. It’s not like the guys on this forum are out hunting “fags to kill”, they are just making jokes which alot of people find funny. It seems like you are throwing your baggage down on them, cause it brings up some hurtfull episode from your past. So stop trying to tell people what they can and can’t say and think.
Remember the more you try to control somebody the more you lose control of them. If you are so hell bent for leather on stopping predjudice against gays, then show people by example why gays are not as bad as they think they are. If you can’t do that then give it a break.

forget my post! Read Zeb’s. It is much better and says exactly what I wanted to say. Good job man!

Shut up, Fag! :>

O.K.

FIRST OF ALL, ain’t no fucking way anyone is gonna take away my FUCKING RIGHT to make fun of… midgets.

You gotta draw the line somewhere.

As far as the gay-bashing, the Rumster has hit it right on the head and if I dare to interpret a bit, I would add that it is the hurtful spirit that is bothersome, not just the words. Hackneyed arguments like “your insecure” and “they don’t want you so why worry” will not be included in my post. I will however throw my lot in with those who think that being a Man (“T” or otherwise) has nothing at all with making hurtful statements about others. Being a Man is not about making others feel less so that you may feel more. An’ you can take to the bank that it has nothing to do with being better/smarter/cleverer than someone because of what you say.

It’s what you are that is important.

And how does one define what you “are”?

I believe that a man is what he thinks (or becomes it according to Ralph Waldo Emerson), so if you think mean, spiteful thoughts all day long, you are going to have a hard time convincing me that you aren’t just sucking up my valuable air.

Now, at the risk of me thowin’ on some Birkenstocks, a hemp necklace and running out to hug some trees and vote for Svend Robinson (CDN reference, sorry), everyone to my house for some Snapple and a Group Hug!

Yeah, I know, that sounds so gay…

Drew ~ a Man of Conviction and Intellect will always carry weight. Here and otherwise.

“You must stick to your conviction, but be ready to abandon your assumptions”

~ Denis Waitley

Speaking as a gay man…

Zeb, freedom of speech is all fair and good but abuse of it is not. I agree with Rumbach, somethings are just not right to say or think. I think that if the word ‘gay’ had been replaced with ‘nigger’ or ‘chink’ or someother racial term on this site it would be generally recognised as offensive. I tried to illustrate this in another thread - BBPLTeen’s ‘Before and After Pics’ post in the pics forum - but I guess people didn’t get my point.

In addition ‘homophobia’ is to do with dislike not fear. Even if your suggestion is the correct etymology, the meaning of a lot of words has changed through time because of use - just think of the word ‘gay’.

I’ve been browsing the T-Mag forums for a while and have been reluctant to post. I admit, I’m reluctant to participate in most straight forums whether that be online or in real life. But with so many people dismissing things with homophobic comments, it’s difficult to understand when someone is joking or not.

However, I do think people should be able to take a joke - I find a lot of aspects of gay culture to be pretty naff and laughable.

what a fucking pointless and insecure topic…

ZEB:

“should a person remain silent when he is offended, in order not to offend?”

Huh? How is the first person offended?

“As the Homosexual lifestyle becomes more “in your face””

How is it in your face? Is it “in your face” when heterosexuals hold hands in public?

“In fact, it would be unnatural for a heterosexual to embrace the lifestyle of the homosexual.”

Why?

“The term “homophobic” has been used inappropriately since its inception. Phobia denotes fear. The implication is that some straight men “fear” homosexuals so they verbally attack them.”

Homophobic men do not necessarily fear gay men, they fear others thinking they are gay. So they go out of their way to show their dislike of homosexuals (as a random example, they might use the word “repulsive” a million times in a post concerning homosexuality).

I haven’t been posting here for that long but I do agree there is way too much bashing on this forum.

It seems in practically every thread on the Off Topic board somebody is getting bashed for being liberal, conservative, homosexual, skinny, fat, tall, short, a woman, a blonde, a brunette, a fat powerlifter, a Men’s Fitness clone, for using cocaine, for seeing hookers, for having teeth, arms and legs, for having too much sex, for not having enough, for mixing carbs and fat, for any number of “sins.”

All right, so I’m exaggerating a bit.

All in all, however, the anger on this forum has me wondering if I want to continue to post here anymore.

People!!! The Off Topic board is a “Enter at your own risk free for all!”

If you haven’t noticed the mods seem to let just about anything go, there are some very sensitive debates that flare, Isreal/Palestine, Gays, Religion, etc. that almost always turn into really really heated arguments with some pretty intense personal attacks.

Anyone who has posted in one of the debates has likely been a target of some pretty nasty insults, and of course had their spelling and grammar questioned at every turn : )

Although this does at times leak into the other boards it’s not often, if you can’t take possible insults don’t post in the OT board!!! My advice if you choose to participate in one of these debates is to debate with intelligent parties, and expect and ignore idiots.

NOW,

it’s time for everyone to attack my reasoning, criticise my speleng and gramer, Cupcake to make his trademark entrance and quote, and some idiot with little to contribute at all to call me some horrible name for no reason : )

without bringing anything personal into it…i agree with Rum and Tyson and Cupcake.

good posts guys.

XXLTank is saying that we shouldn’t even think that homosexual acts are disgusting.

Great, here come the thought police.

You guys need to stop comparing criticizing homos to racism. You’re retarded if you think that’s the same.

IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, THEN GROW A PAIR OF BALLS AND BASH BACK! Ever since I have been a little boy it has been the nature of men to break each others balls. That is was testosterone does to us. It does not make us sensitive and caring about others feelings. So why don’t you stop the male bashing, okay. Next thing you know you will have all of our little boys hopped up on ritalin cause they run around alot and make too much noise. Oopps, sorry, you have already had that done. Guys break other guys balls, that is the way it is and that is the way it is always gonna be.

Rumbach,

I will address your most erroneous comment first:

There can be absolutely no accurate comparison between a race, such as African Americans, and a behavior, which is homosexuality.

A person is born into one race. No choice involved! They then must go forth into the world as a member of that race. Where as a homosexual, while claiming to be born that way, (the jury is still out regarding whether or not it is nurture, nature or a combination of both) is not forced to practice this act. It is still a choice on his part.

If he does decide to practice the act, he does not have to do so on a street corner in the light of day. While I am not suggesting that they hide their desire, this is the choice that draws the criticism. Is it his right? It certainly is. And I would defend that right in an instance where I saw any man attempting to harm a homosexual simply because he is gay.

However, there is simply no comparison between a sexual behavior whether it is from nature or nuture, with a given race. That is a tired comparison used by the gay lobby to place homosexuals on an equal footing with minoritys in order to acheive a certain end result. The end being special rights for gays.

If a person is born with a natural desire to steal or an inbred proclivity to rape, should that notion be indulged? Point being, some behaviors, whether harmful to others, such as the two above, or not, can be avoided and physical traits such as black skin cannot. I hope you understand this clear distinction.

As to your next claim: “I would suggest to you that the majority of straight men who ardently take part in criticism of the homosexuals do so because of fear, ignorance and upbringing”.

Are you suggesting that if one is brought up in a heterosexual environment that he is prone to fear the homosexual? If that were the case then everyone who is not gay or not brought up in a gay household fears the homosexual. Does this make sense, or is it yet another worn out, inaccurate comment promulgated by the leaders of the homosexual movement?

Let’s further examine this so that we can make some sense of it. Why is it so difficult for homosexuals to understand that while they are attracted to the male body as a sexual object, heterosexuals are not? Hence, a negative reaction is elicited when some homosexual men are exposed to homosexual behavior. Again, I feel that homosexuals are not after tolerance as much as they are after acceptance. Big difference!

As heterosexuals are not attracted to the male body as a sexual object, they may find it somewhat odd and repulsive when two men are indeed attracted to each other sexually. And so desire to display that affection in various ways. Why is it then difficult to understand that this is not fear that some hetersexual males feel, but disgust.

Something in the order of watching someone vomit their evening meal in front of you. Are you fearful that the vomiting witnessed from across the street will hurt you? Of course not! You are simply repulsed by the spectical of someone hurling in the middle of the sidewalk. Would you call these people, “vomitphobics”?

I submit to you that it is not fear that makes you clench your stomach, make a face and look away. It is pure repugnancy!

Simply standing on a soap box and claiming that everyone who comments negatively on homosexuals is afraid of of them is untrue, and has always been untrue. However, you have a very vocal homosexual lobby that pushes this agenda with no proof! This is done for the sole purpose of making those who do not embrace and accept homosexuality feel like cowards and be less likely to speak their minds.

You have once again taken the tried and true homosexual agenda and run with it. The old line of “homophobia” is not only wearing thin, but highly inaccurate. As previously stated: “Homorepugnant” is far more accurate.

Lastly, while you deny it, you are in fact straight bashing! The most vitriolic speech that I have witnessed, on either side of the debate has come from your original post. You state: “I am talking to those who engage in homophobic speech around here”. Are you then claiming that homosexuals are bashing homosexuals? If not then straight men must be doing the negative commenting on homosexuals. If so you are then in turn bashing them. And as I stated, you did so with much more vigor and hate than any post I have yet read coming from the opposing view.

Lastly, let me introduce something else into the debate which actually echos your visious original post. More people do not put their feelings to print regarding homosexuality becasue of the fear of being called “homophobic”.

It appears that the very side that you so ardently defend does their share of the hating and name calling, just as you did in your original post. As I type this I wonder exactly how many acts of violence are committed against heterosexuals by homosexuals? It is always good press to report when two straight men beat up a homosexual. It is not as “cool” to give equal press when a straight man gets beaten by homosexuals. It seems however, that while the press is busy writing stories that they feel are important, the majority of the population has a different view altogether.

While the vast silent majority may be to cowed to actually stand up and speak out, they do vote their views. In the latest Gallup pole it was found that a 67% majority of Americans do not want to give homosexuals the right to marry!

Are these 67% homophobic? Do these people fear homosexuals, or are they simply voicing their opinion as to what they feel is proper and improper behavior regarding the positive function of a society?

Why dont they just make a Testosterone Gay Nation and you gay guys can bash us. would that make you feel any better.
If you dont like what you’re watching change the f****** channel

As Cupcake said, it’s not so much the words that are used, it’s the spirit in which they are used. There are some people here who poke fun at various minority groups or segments of society and it is no more than that. Simply poking fun with no harm intended. However there are a number of people on this forum who will make outright ignorant statements about certain groups of people or individuals and then hide behind the veil of “can’t you take a joke” when called on it. Racism is never funny and neither is intolerance towards homosexuality. I don’t know what the exact line is between poking fun and spewing ignorance, but I know it when I hear it and sadly I do hear it here sometimes. I really think it has to do with the maturity level and lack of life experience of some of the “t-men” around here.